The Democratic Candidates
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I don’t really care if you “buy it” or not. I’m not the politician trying to sell it. Hillary didn’t even campaign in my area...why would I vote for her? She turned her nose up to us. She didn’t want my vote.dignin said:
But yet you voted for Trump over Clinton. So I'm not really buying the moderate angle you're selling.PJPOWER said:
I would definitely vote for Biden over Trump, but you are right, I’m not looking for “inspiration”. I’m a policy voter. I couldn’t care less about charisma or some catchy phrase like “hope and change”. Didn’t realize Democrats were such an exclusive club...wait, yes I did. I’m looking for someone with broad appeal. Someone that will look out for the best interests of both, the rural and city dwellers.dignin said:
Would you vote for Biden over Trump? Or is that a maybe?PJPOWER said:
2004, so far Biden is the only one I’m interested in voting for.dignin said:
You really think Biden moderates are going to run to Trump?PJPOWER said:
No offense, but I think the last thing Democrats should do is rally up votes for the Republicans from the moderates.dignin said:
No offense, but I think the last thing democrats should do is take advice from Republicans.PJPOWER said:
I think Biden would have a solid chance in the general election, but not sure he is going to win the primary due to being somewhat of a moderate. Most of the others seem to be pandering to the far left, and that will not help them beat Trump when it counts. The more publicity candidates like Beto get, the less chance the democrats have of a 2020 presidency.HughFreakingDillon said:i think biden beats trump.
i think trump beats all the other dems.
When was the last time you voted for a democrat?
But I guess my opinion and vote doesn’t matter to Democrats? Oh well, maybe 2024...
My bet is there are way more voters who would get out and vote in 2020 for Warren who stayed home in 2016. People looking for inspiration and something different.
Democrats want those Obama voters, not look for the Romney ones. Those Obama voters who stayed home or voted for Trump in 2016.
Remember, she was the moderate that election.
I would have voted for Biden in the last election too, but that wasn’t really an option.
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But you just said you care about moderate policy, not all the other stuff.PJPOWER said:
I don’t really care if you “buy it” or not. I’m not the politician trying to sell it. Hillary didn’t even campaign in my area...why would I vote for her? She turned her nose up to us. She didn’t want my vote.dignin said:
But yet you voted for Trump over Clinton. So I'm not really buying the moderate angle you're selling.PJPOWER said:
I would definitely vote for Biden over Trump, but you are right, I’m not looking for “inspiration”. I’m a policy voter. I couldn’t care less about charisma or some catchy phrase like “hope and change”. Didn’t realize Democrats were such an exclusive club...wait, yes I did. I’m looking for someone with broad appeal. Someone that will look out for the best interests of both, the rural and city dwellers.dignin said:
Would you vote for Biden over Trump? Or is that a maybe?PJPOWER said:
2004, so far Biden is the only one I’m interested in voting for.dignin said:
You really think Biden moderates are going to run to Trump?PJPOWER said:
No offense, but I think the last thing Democrats should do is rally up votes for the Republicans from the moderates.dignin said:
No offense, but I think the last thing democrats should do is take advice from Republicans.PJPOWER said:
I think Biden would have a solid chance in the general election, but not sure he is going to win the primary due to being somewhat of a moderate. Most of the others seem to be pandering to the far left, and that will not help them beat Trump when it counts. The more publicity candidates like Beto get, the less chance the democrats have of a 2020 presidency.HughFreakingDillon said:i think biden beats trump.
i think trump beats all the other dems.
When was the last time you voted for a democrat?
But I guess my opinion and vote doesn’t matter to Democrats? Oh well, maybe 2024...
My bet is there are way more voters who would get out and vote in 2020 for Warren who stayed home in 2016. People looking for inspiration and something different.
Democrats want those Obama voters, not look for the Romney ones. Those Obama voters who stayed home or voted for Trump in 2016.
Remember, she was the moderate that election.
I would have voted for Biden in the last election too, but that wasn’t really an option.
You really going to tell me that Trump was the moderate between the two?
Sounds like you based your vote off emotion, helping me make my point. Thanks.0 -
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But you just said you care about moderate policy, not all the other stuff.PJPOWER said:
I don’t really care if you “buy it” or not. I’m not the politician trying to sell it. Hillary didn’t even campaign in my area...why would I vote for her? She turned her nose up to us. She didn’t want my vote.dignin said:
But yet you voted for Trump over Clinton. So I'm not really buying the moderate angle you're selling.PJPOWER said:
I would definitely vote for Biden over Trump, but you are right, I’m not looking for “inspiration”. I’m a policy voter. I couldn’t care less about charisma or some catchy phrase like “hope and change”. Didn’t realize Democrats were such an exclusive club...wait, yes I did. I’m looking for someone with broad appeal. Someone that will look out for the best interests of both, the rural and city dwellers.dignin said:
Would you vote for Biden over Trump? Or is that a maybe?PJPOWER said:
2004, so far Biden is the only one I’m interested in voting for.dignin said:
You really think Biden moderates are going to run to Trump?PJPOWER said:
No offense, but I think the last thing Democrats should do is rally up votes for the Republicans from the moderates.dignin said:
No offense, but I think the last thing democrats should do is take advice from Republicans.PJPOWER said:
I think Biden would have a solid chance in the general election, but not sure he is going to win the primary due to being somewhat of a moderate. Most of the others seem to be pandering to the far left, and that will not help them beat Trump when it counts. The more publicity candidates like Beto get, the less chance the democrats have of a 2020 presidency.HughFreakingDillon said:i think biden beats trump.
i think trump beats all the other dems.
When was the last time you voted for a democrat?
But I guess my opinion and vote doesn’t matter to Democrats? Oh well, maybe 2024...
My bet is there are way more voters who would get out and vote in 2020 for Warren who stayed home in 2016. People looking for inspiration and something different.
Democrats want those Obama voters, not look for the Romney ones. Those Obama voters who stayed home or voted for Trump in 2016.
Remember, she was the moderate that election.
I would have voted for Biden in the last election too, but that wasn’t really an option.
You really going to tell me that Trump was the moderate between the two?
Sounds like you based your vote off emotion, helping me make my point. Thanks.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Meh, not solely off emotion, as any moderate (and human being/voter) would and should say
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Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.0 -
Most, if not all, will not matter to voters when presented with a choice. So, the only baggage she has is Pocahontas? I see her making Team Trump Treason look small and petty during the debates.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I understand your point, but I disagree that most voters wont care. Maybe not her supporters, or a usual democrat voter, but people on the fence or uneducated voters who can’t understand the nuances of things, and that’s a lot of voters. Maybe the Pocahontas thing is played out, IDK, but she hasn't come under attack about that from the left like Biden has had too with his gaffes and age, and when it comes time for the general they’ll be hammering on that everyday. I think the socialism card will be easier played against Warren compared to Biden in the general.Halifax2TheMax said:
Most, if not all, will not matter to voters when presented with a choice. So, the only baggage she has is Pocahontas? I see her making Team Trump Treason look small and petty during the debates.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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I understand your point, but I disagree that most voters wont care. Maybe not her supporters, or a usual democrat voter, but people on the fence or uneducated voters who can’t understand the nuances of things, and that’s a lot of voters. Maybe the Pocahontas thing is played out, IDK, but she hasn't come under attack about that from the left like Biden has had too with his gaffes and age, and when it comes time for the general they’ll be hammering on that everyday. I think the socialism card will be easier played against Warren compared to Biden in the general.Halifax2TheMax said:
Most, if not all, will not matter to voters when presented with a choice. So, the only baggage she has is Pocahontas? I see her making Team Trump Treason look small and petty during the debates.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.
What concerns me the most is Warren's campaign, not Biden's, is the most like Hillary's as she is getting white glove treatment from everybody so far.
I confidently believe trump would love warren as his opponent. Her policies are far outside the values of middle America, her health mandates will be seen as invasive and she hasnt proven she can take a punch.0 -
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Most, if not all, will not matter to voters when presented with a choice. So, the only baggage she has is Pocahontas? I see her making Team Trump Treason look small and petty during the debates.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.
I also didnt think voters would care at all about a silly email server.0 -
That was after 30 years of being unfairly attacked for “shady” business deals, from White Water, to Rose Law Firm billing records to pork belly futures and Uranium One (not one indictment and Hillary is still walking free, if I were Liz, I’d ask Team Trump Treason why Hillary hasn’t been locked up yet). Liz has no such baggage and no history of being shady. Pocahontas attacks won’t appeal to suburban women and the more voters get to know her, the less they’ll see her as socialist. She will have to tack back to the center after she secured the nomination and she’ll be attacked more forcefully as the field winnows and she’ll hold her own. All of which will benefit her in the general. She’s not going to tolerate Team Trump Treason’s shit on the debate stage or campaign trail.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Most, if not all, will not matter to voters when presented with a choice. So, the only baggage she has is Pocahontas? I see her making Team Trump Treason look small and petty during the debates.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.
I also didnt think voters would care at all about a silly email server.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I'm not sure @Halifax2TheMax there is tacking back from supporting an outright socialist health system that includes mandates. If she tries that I fear trump will successfully tag her as a socialist either way. That attack on Biden doesnt resonate with the coveted reagan Democrats or whatever we chose to call them.
I agree Warren's record is much much cleaner than hilary, but as trump has proven 18 times he only needs one line of attack to resonate and warren has demonstrated she doesnt have a counter to that dna test
At least the dems should be firing away at her. Let her prove she can rebut her dna test before we trust her with the nom.0 -
At this point, I’m not sure how many who’ve stood by Trump this far will go anywhere but by his side.ikiT said:Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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I disagree. The wide arc of the Left is the future of the Democratic party, if it wants to be successful. While you aren't calling it this, you are advocating for purity politics, not the big tent. The Republicans have already done their purge. The demographics and future are against it. I am not an advocate of the Dems following the same path.benjs said:
At this point, I’m not sure how many who’ve stood by Trump this far will go anywhere but by his side.ikiT said:Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.0 -
I see where you’re coming from, and it’s nothing more than gut, but I don’t think activating that voter block of the wide arc of the left is going to happen with the way the DNC is being run. I think public infighting within the DNC also weakens the ‘for the greater good’ narrative it seems to ask voters to adopt.mrussel1 said:
I disagree. The wide arc of the Left is the future of the Democratic party, if it wants to be successful. While you aren't calling it this, you are advocating for purity politics, not the big tent. The Republicans have already done their purge. The demographics and future are against it. I am not an advocate of the Dems following the same path.benjs said:
At this point, I’m not sure how many who’ve stood by Trump this far will go anywhere but by his side.ikiT said:Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
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Electionfilm for the Swedish Socialdemocrats from 1991. Could be reused by Bernie Sanders:
https://youtu.be/ipGQSPmolrA
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benjs said:
I see where you’re coming from, and it’s nothing more than gut, but I don’t think activating that voter block of the wide arc of the left is going to happen with the way the DNC is being run. I think public infighting within the DNC also weakens the ‘for the greater good’ narrative it seems to ask voters to adopt.mrussel1 said:
I disagree. The wide arc of the Left is the future of the Democratic party, if it wants to be successful. While you aren't calling it this, you are advocating for purity politics, not the big tent. The Republicans have already done their purge. The demographics and future are against it. I am not an advocate of the Dems following the same path.benjs said:
At this point, I’m not sure how many who’ve stood by Trump this far will go anywhere but by his side.ikiT said:Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
The problem the dems have is the progressive wing tends to be younger millenials who are passionate about their views but are not passionate about taking the cautious steps needed to first secure power and then work towards improving current law to eventually attain their goals.
It seems it's either they win now or they take their toys and go home and trump wins.
Another problem is their progressive govt takeover solution is not easily sellable to undecided swing state voters
This is the exact opposite of the gop model. Republicans fall in line with the nominee (even if he is a rapist) and extreme GOP policy sells well to those undecided swing state voters (strong military, low taxes, party of growth, etc).
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Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer have qualified for the next debate.
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And Tulsi Gabbard has come out against impeachment
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/24/politics/tulsi-gabbard-impeachment-trump-cnntv/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
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