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dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:HughFreakingDillon said:i think biden beats trump.
i think trump beats all the other dems.
When was the last time you voted for a democrat?
But I guess my opinion and vote doesn’t matter to Democrats? Oh well, maybe 2024...
My bet is there are way more voters who would get out and vote in 2020 for Warren who stayed home in 2016. People looking for inspiration and something different.
Democrats want those Obama voters, not look for the Romney ones. Those Obama voters who stayed home or voted for Trump in 2016.
Remember, she was the moderate that election.
I would have voted for Biden in the last election too, but that wasn’t really an option.
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PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:HughFreakingDillon said:i think biden beats trump.
i think trump beats all the other dems.
When was the last time you voted for a democrat?
But I guess my opinion and vote doesn’t matter to Democrats? Oh well, maybe 2024...
My bet is there are way more voters who would get out and vote in 2020 for Warren who stayed home in 2016. People looking for inspiration and something different.
Democrats want those Obama voters, not look for the Romney ones. Those Obama voters who stayed home or voted for Trump in 2016.
Remember, she was the moderate that election.
I would have voted for Biden in the last election too, but that wasn’t really an option.
You really going to tell me that Trump was the moderate between the two?
Sounds like you based your vote off emotion, helping me make my point. Thanks.0 -
dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:HughFreakingDillon said:i think biden beats trump.
i think trump beats all the other dems.
When was the last time you voted for a democrat?
But I guess my opinion and vote doesn’t matter to Democrats? Oh well, maybe 2024...
My bet is there are way more voters who would get out and vote in 2020 for Warren who stayed home in 2016. People looking for inspiration and something different.
Democrats want those Obama voters, not look for the Romney ones. Those Obama voters who stayed home or voted for Trump in 2016.
Remember, she was the moderate that election.
I would have voted for Biden in the last election too, but that wasn’t really an option.
You really going to tell me that Trump was the moderate between the two?
Sounds like you based your vote off emotion, helping me make my point. Thanks.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Meh, not solely off emotion, as any moderate (and human being/voter) would and should say
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Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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Hi! said:Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.
What concerns me the most is Warren's campaign, not Biden's, is the most like Hillary's as she is getting white glove treatment from everybody so far.
I confidently believe trump would love warren as his opponent. Her policies are far outside the values of middle America, her health mandates will be seen as invasive and she hasnt proven she can take a punch.0 -
Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.
I also didnt think voters would care at all about a silly email server.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.
I also didnt think voters would care at all about a silly email server.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I'm not sure @Halifax2TheMax there is tacking back from supporting an outright socialist health system that includes mandates. If she tries that I fear trump will successfully tag her as a socialist either way. That attack on Biden doesnt resonate with the coveted reagan Democrats or whatever we chose to call them.
I agree Warren's record is much much cleaner than hilary, but as trump has proven 18 times he only needs one line of attack to resonate and warren has demonstrated she doesnt have a counter to that dna test
At least the dems should be firing away at her. Let her prove she can rebut her dna test before we trust her with the nom.0 -
ikiT said:Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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benjs said:ikiT said:Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.0 -
mrussel1 said:benjs said:ikiT said:Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
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benjs said:mrussel1 said:benjs said:ikiT said:Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
The problem the dems have is the progressive wing tends to be younger millenials who are passionate about their views but are not passionate about taking the cautious steps needed to first secure power and then work towards improving current law to eventually attain their goals.
It seems it's either they win now or they take their toys and go home and trump wins.
Another problem is their progressive govt takeover solution is not easily sellable to undecided swing state voters
This is the exact opposite of the gop model. Republicans fall in line with the nominee (even if he is a rapist) and extreme GOP policy sells well to those undecided swing state voters (strong military, low taxes, party of growth, etc).
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Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer have qualified for the next debate.
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And Tulsi Gabbard has come out against impeachment
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/24/politics/tulsi-gabbard-impeachment-trump-cnntv/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
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