The Democratic Candidates

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    I think he's a creep...but there's nothing criminal about that. And it certainly shouldn't be disqualifying to be the president, especially with Trump in office and Clinton formerly in office. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    I think he's a creep...but there's nothing criminal about that. And it certainly shouldn't be disqualifying to be the president, especially with Trump in office and Clinton formerly in office. 
    Sorry,  this is the echo chamber.  Please cease posting immediately, lest I yell for Kat.
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Well, I’m voting for the lesser of two creeps if it comes down to that. We have so many candidates that aren’t creeps. No Creeps 2020!

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    edited April 2019
    mcgruff10 said:

    Definitely a gray area:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/former-president-becomes-vice-president/

    The Founding Fathers placed no limits in the U.S. Constitution regarding how many times any one person could be elected (or otherwise serve) as President of the United States. However, in 1947 (after Franklin D. Roosevelt had broken with tradition and the Democrats won five consecutive presidential elections), Congress passed the 22nd amendment, ratified by the requisite number of states in 1951, which created a two-term limit for future Presidents. That amendment (along with earlier constitutional restrictions) would seem to disqualify Barack Obama from ever again attaining the office of President or Vice President of the United States, as he was elected to, and served, two full terms in that office between 2009 and 2017.

    However, the wording of the 22nd Amendment doesn’t literally say that no one can be President for more than two terms; only that no one can be elected President more than twice.

    Presumably this still leaves open the loophole (intended or not) that one who had already been elected twice could still serve as President again by attaining that office through other means — particularly, by being elected or appointed Vice-President (and thus becoming next in the line of presidential succession) when the sitting President dies, becomes incapacitated, or resigns.

    I know this is an old comment, but was an interesting view and made me think about it. Sorry if it was already answered, but I didnt see this discussed. 
    The requirements for VP are that you must be eligible for president. I think it would be an easy argument that a president who served 2 terms would not meet those requirements since they are not eligible to run for president, therefore are not eligible for VP either.
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    Hi! said:
    I listened to about half hour of the speech and found it rather refreshing considering what we have had to listen to the last 2 plus yrs from Trump. Anyway, I’ve had time to think about the Biden touchy-feely stuff for a few days and I don’t think he’s a sex predator or pervert, so if people want to use that against him, whatever. 
    I’m confused when this creepy “touchy-feely” (which is the nice term for inappropriate touching) matters and when it’s not big deal.

    if these were videos of a different person doing this, one that people didn’t want to be president, I think I they would have a different opinion.
    I think "touchy-feely" can both matter and also not be sexual abuse. When I think it matters, is when someone feels that it affected them. Period. The fact that Biden made someone (or multiple people) feel uncomfortable, means that apologizing for the actions was the appropriate thing to do. This shouldn't be ignored or rationalized, it should just be owned, addressed, and moved on from. Which it was. Had Biden had a history of anything more than multiple people saying he's "too touchy", such as sexual abuse allegations, the benefit of the doubt would be lost.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    I think he's a creep...but there's nothing criminal about that. And it certainly shouldn't be disqualifying to be the president, especially with Trump in office and Clinton formerly in office. 
    This is my take as well. But it would be nice if he would apologize for his behavior. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Hi! said:
    Well, I’m voting for the lesser of two creeps if it comes down to that. We have so many candidates that aren’t creeps. No Creeps 2020!

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    benjs said:
    Hi! said:
    I listened to about half hour of the speech and found it rather refreshing considering what we have had to listen to the last 2 plus yrs from Trump. Anyway, I’ve had time to think about the Biden touchy-feely stuff for a few days and I don’t think he’s a sex predator or pervert, so if people want to use that against him, whatever. 
    I’m confused when this creepy “touchy-feely” (which is the nice term for inappropriate touching) matters and when it’s not big deal.

    if these were videos of a different person doing this, one that people didn’t want to be president, I think I they would have a different opinion.
    I think "touchy-feely" can both matter and also not be sexual abuse. When I think it matters, is when someone feels that it affected them. Period. The fact that Biden made someone (or multiple people) feel uncomfortable, means that apologizing for the actions was the appropriate thing to do. This shouldn't be ignored or rationalized, it should just be owned, addressed, and moved on from. Which it was. Had Biden had a history of anything more than multiple people saying he's "too touchy", such as sexual abuse allegations, the benefit of the doubt would be lost.
    Biden’s “apology” was empty and didn’t actually address what he needed to apologize for. But I understand your point. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    I'm not a fan of his non apology either.  But it was certainly intentional.  To me it's too politically contrived.  
    It still doesn't make him a creep,  it doesn't disqualify him.  
    For every person that was "uncomfortable", there are probably 100 who appreciated it,  from both sexes.  Of course we won't see those stories. 
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    benjs said:
    Hi! said:
    I listened to about half hour of the speech and found it rather refreshing considering what we have had to listen to the last 2 plus yrs from Trump. Anyway, I’ve had time to think about the Biden touchy-feely stuff for a few days and I don’t think he’s a sex predator or pervert, so if people want to use that against him, whatever. 
    I’m confused when this creepy “touchy-feely” (which is the nice term for inappropriate touching) matters and when it’s not big deal.

    if these were videos of a different person doing this, one that people didn’t want to be president, I think I they would have a different opinion.
    I think "touchy-feely" can both matter and also not be sexual abuse. When I think it matters, is when someone feels that it affected them. Period. The fact that Biden made someone (or multiple people) feel uncomfortable, means that apologizing for the actions was the appropriate thing to do. This shouldn't be ignored or rationalized, it should just be owned, addressed, and moved on from. Which it was. Had Biden had a history of anything more than multiple people saying he's "too touchy", such as sexual abuse allegations, the benefit of the doubt would be lost.
    Biden’s “apology” was empty and didn’t actually address what he needed to apologize for. But I understand your point. 
    That's totally fair, the quality of the apology (and the acknowledgment of the issue at hand) absolutely matters.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    PJ_Soul said:
    Hahaha 

    so im a snowflake, idiotic, pathetic and sexist. 

    Echo chamber circle jerk begins! 
    To be clear, I never called you idiotic or pathetic. I don't do that. I only called your comments those things, and yes, there is a big difference between the two, at least when it comes from me.
    To be clear, you are part of the problem 
    T

    What problem precisely, is she part of. Defend the shitbag accusation. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    Huh? 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    I would think that was a joke about him being gay.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    No more day drinking or whatever drugs you are using, m’kay?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    I would think that was a joke about him being gay.
    I forgot he was gay. Carry on.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    I would think that was a joke about him being gay.
    I forgot he was gay. Carry on.
    A joke yes. But to be clear I don’t care if he’s gay. In fact it would be a welcomed voice in politics as he gets a bigger and bigger stage.


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    No more day drinking or whatever drugs you are using, m’kay?
    Like I said,  I forgot.  

    I'm just annoyed by your dickhead statement to PJ Soul. To be clear, it makes you a dick.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    No more day drinking or whatever drugs you are using, m’kay?
    Like I said,  I forgot.  

    I'm just annoyed by your dickhead statement to PJ Soul. To be clear, it makes you a dick.
    Hahaha ok. I’m a snowflake, idiotic, sexist, dick. Got it. Thanks.


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    No more day drinking or whatever drugs you are using, m’kay?
    Like I said,  I forgot.  

    I'm just annoyed by your dickhead statement to PJ Soul. To be clear, it makes you a dick.
    Hahaha ok. I’m a snowflake, idiotic, sexist, dick. Got it. Thanks.


    How is she part of the problem and what is the problem? I agree with her on this topic di I must be as well.  So explain. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm not a fan of his non apology either.  But it was certainly intentional.  To me it's too politically contrived.  
    It still doesn't make him a creep,  it doesn't disqualify him.  
    For every person that was "uncomfortable", there are probably 100 who appreciated it,  from both sexes.  Of course we won't see those stories. 
    Insert Leslie Knope/Joe Biden gif here. 

    I would but I'm on my cell.
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Buttigieg 2020
    Hes not a creeper, he’s a keeper!
    Lol, I like it!

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    No more day drinking or whatever drugs you are using, m’kay?
    Like I said,  I forgot.  

    I'm just annoyed by your dickhead statement to PJ Soul. To be clear, it makes you a dick.
    Hahaha ok. I’m a snowflake, idiotic, sexist, dick. Got it. Thanks.


    How is she part of the problem and what is the problem? I agree with her on this topic di I must be as well.  So explain. 
    So now you wanna discuss it? Fuck off
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    No more day drinking or whatever drugs you are using, m’kay?
    Like I said,  I forgot.  

    I'm just annoyed by your dickhead statement to PJ Soul. To be clear, it makes you a dick.
    Hahaha ok. I’m a snowflake, idiotic, sexist, dick. Got it. Thanks.


    How is she part of the problem and what is the problem? I agree with her on this topic di I must be as well.  So explain. 
    So now you wanna discuss it? Fuck off
    How snow flakey of you,  considering your instigation of the entire episode with you comment. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
    Hi! said:
    Buttigieg 2020
    Hes not a creeper, he’s a keeper!
    Lol, I like it!
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Hi! said:
    Buttigieg 2020
    Hes not a creeper, he’s a keeper!
    Lol, I like it!
    And a South Bend Leaguer. Born at home and hit a triple, ended up on third, no silver spoon in his mouth, ....................
    Lol

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    No more day drinking or whatever drugs you are using, m’kay?
    Like I said,  I forgot.  

    I'm just annoyed by your dickhead statement to PJ Soul. To be clear, it makes you a dick.
    Hahaha ok. I’m a snowflake, idiotic, sexist, dick. Got it. Thanks.


    How is she part of the problem and what is the problem? I agree with her on this topic di I must be as well.  So explain. 
    So now you wanna discuss it? Fuck off
    How snow flakey of you,  considering your instigation of the entire episode with you comment. 
    You’ve gotten good at calling people names. Nice job.


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    And he will never creepily sniff your daughter’s hair! 

    This guy is a keeper!
    Like you fucking know
    No more day drinking or whatever drugs you are using, m’kay?
    Like I said,  I forgot.  

    I'm just annoyed by your dickhead statement to PJ Soul. To be clear, it makes you a dick.
    Hahaha ok. I’m a snowflake, idiotic, sexist, dick. Got it. Thanks.


    How is she part of the problem and what is the problem? I agree with her on this topic di I must be as well.  So explain. 
    So now you wanna discuss it? Fuck off
    How snow flakey of you,  considering your instigation of the entire episode with you comment. 
    You’ve gotten good at calling people names. Nice job.


    So no defense,  purely trolling I guess. 
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