Elizabeth Warren tops Democratic candidates in national poll for first time
New Quinnipiac survey finds Massachusetts senator polling at 27% with Biden on 25% and Sanders 16%
There is no doubt that she is trending upwards, and I find it interesting as well. It’s interesting what polls get highlighted when there are other polls, with larger sample sizes, that show something totally different.
There is no strong #2 moderate to act as Bidens wing (wo)man. Warren has been allowed to operate with no heat on her lately
Harris would have been great for this spot but she decided to join team m4a and attack Biden over busing. Maybe its Pete but I worry the USA isn't ready for him.
Point it, Warren has been allowed to skate thru this process so far with no challenge. Biden stumbles on the debate stage because he knows he should be calling out her policies as extreme, but his instincts are to be a gentleman.
The good thing about 12 debaters is dems will have 2 nights in the spotlight. The bad news is Biden/ Warren may be split, and there will not be anyone on her night to challenge her policies as extreme (and they play right into the GOP's attack plan).
Elizabeth Warren tops Democratic candidates in national poll for first time
New Quinnipiac survey finds Massachusetts senator polling at 27% with Biden on 25% and Sanders 16%
There is no doubt that she is trending upwards, and I find it interesting as well. It’s interesting what polls get highlighted when there are other polls, with larger sample sizes, that show something totally different.
There is no strong #2 moderate to act as Bidens wing (wo)man. Warren has been allowed to operate with no heat on her lately
Harris would have been great for this spot but she decided to join team m4a and attack Biden over busing. Maybe its Pete but I worry the USA isn't ready for him.
Point it, Warren has been allowed to skate thru this process so far with no challenge. Biden stumbles on the debate stage because he knows he should be calling out her policies as extreme, but his instincts are to be a gentleman.
The good thing about 12 debaters is dems will have 2 nights in the spotlight. The bad news is Biden/ Warren may be split, and there will not be anyone on her night to challenge her policies as extreme (and they play right into the GOP's attack plan).
Do we know for sure it will be two nights? It makes sense , but I thought they hadn’t come to a decision yet. I think Warren could face some challenges, when it comes to debates, from Klobuchar, Gabbard, Beto. If she’s the nominee, she needs to face these challenges in primary so she’s battle tested and can show she can weather attacks in the general. I had also read an article recently that talked about how the Bernie campaign is starting to challenge Warren on some things.
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Biden says he wouldn't have run if it Jeb or some other Republican was president. He was pissed off after Charlottesville and wants to take down Trump.
Biden says he wouldn't have run if it Jeb or some other Republican was president. He was pissed off after Charlottesville and wants to take down Trump.
I can't watch the entire clip while at work, but if that's what he said, he really needs to work on his messaging. "beating trump" is not a platform. the job doesn't end on election night.
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Biden says he wouldn't have run if it Jeb or some other Republican was president. He was pissed off after Charlottesville and wants to take down Trump.
I can't watch the entire clip while at work, but if that's what he said, he really needs to work on his messaging. "beating trump" is not a platform. the job doesn't end on election night.
I didn't take it as "Vote for me because I'm not Trump" but rather that Trump's awfulness (especially following Charlottesville) was just inspiring for him to get in the race. Now if he becomes the nominee and all he has to offer is that he's not Trump, then I agree that's not a platform.
I think "beating Trump" will actually be one of the most important and successful campaign messages for anyone running. Not the only one of course, but one of the most effective. Especially now.
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As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
I think "beating Trump" will actually be one of the most important and successful campaign messages for anyone running. Not the only one of course, but one of the most effective. Especially now.
my problem with that, and again, I can't watch the clip right now, is that means he didn't care enough to run until Trump was in. that means his heart isn't in it, since beating trump obviously comes before doing the actual job.
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As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
This is in store for whom ever the Dem candidate ends up being.
As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
I think "beating Trump" will actually be one of the most important and successful campaign messages for anyone running. Not the only one of course, but one of the most effective. Especially now.
my problem with that, and again, I can't watch the clip right now, is that means he didn't care enough to run until Trump was in. that means his heart isn't in it, since beating trump obviously comes before doing the actual job.
That actually reminds me a bit of Trump's campaign. I contend that while he was all-for the idea of running for president, and becoming more famous than he's ever been, he wanted nothing to do with actually being the president. There's no way he could be enjoying this. He could be golfing with Tom Brady and tweeting about the love life of the stars of the Twilight movies, which is way more up his ally.
So I agree, if he isn't all-in, a Biden presidency could be a mess (relative to normal presidents, not Trump).
As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
Will anyone believe republicans by election day?
60+ million Americans will still vote for their nominee on election day. If Trump didn't chase them away in 2016 then nothing will.
As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
I really just can't bring myself to accept a perspective of paranoia fueled by widespread irrationality created by brainwashing as a decent reason to not want a candidate to win the primaries. I feel like if this is the reasoning behind support for Biden over Warren or Sanders or anyone else, favouring someone who will essentially just perpetuate the status quo in a failing system, America's done for.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
This is in store for whom ever the Dem candidate ends up being.
That was exactly Warren's defense and it was very weak.
Its assuming undecided voters are not smart enough to figure out whether a " you're a socialist" attack has merit or not. A liberal like me was even insulted by it.
In her case, her central policy will easily be labeled as a socialist mandate. She will be labeled as unamerican.
And such a better policy was right there for her to pick. Like Mayor Pete did. Now there's a smart candidate.
As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
I really just can't bring myself to accept a perspective of paranoia fueled by widespread irrationality created by brainwashing as a decent reason to not want a candidate to win the primaries. I feel like if this is the reasoning behind support for Biden over Warren or Sanders or anyone else, favouring someone who will essentially just perpetuate the status quo in a failing system, America's done for.
The #1 issue for non R voters by a 4 to 1 margin is ironically "beat trump." It was polling at 40% while healthcare was at 10%.
M4A demonstrates bad decision making by a warren and Sanders in a country that just voted for trump. Let people that want govt healthcare pick it and call it choice and competition, something we can all get behind
People are calling Biden status quo should consider that the public option would be the most revolutionary new domestic policy since FDR.
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As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
I guess I don't know what "radical" means anymore, Kat. Warren keeps being labeled a "radical", often by the same people who support Trump. How's that for irony!
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As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
This is in store for whom ever the Dem candidate ends up being.
That was exactly Warren's defense and it was very weak.
Its assuming undecided voters are not smart enough to figure out whether a " you're a socialist" attack has merit or not. A liberal like me was even insulted by it.
In her case, her central policy will easily be labeled as a socialist mandate. She will be labeled as unamerican.
And such a better policy was right there for her to pick. Like Mayor Pete did. Now there's a smart candidate.
Talk about a candidate with a ton of hollow policy stances.
As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
I guess I don't know what "radical" means anymore, Kat. Warren keeps being labeled a "radical", often by the same people who support Trump. How's that for irony!
I’m not saying it’s my preference, or it’s the way it should be, or that it’s a winning ticket, or whatever, but does anybody have thoughts on Biden/Warren 2020? I would just hate to have a repeat of 2016, where a group of voters stayed home or didn’t vote because their preferred candidate didn’t get the nomination. I feel like there has to be some sort of coming together of the Democratic Party. I personally don’t think it would happen because they’re probably to ideologically different.
The only reason I put Biden in the #1 spot because he’s already been vp.
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I would love that ticket...all kinds of experience there and progressive ideas too.
I would love a Warren/Biden ticket, not Biden/Warren.
I don't think there's a chance Biden runs as VP. There's no point. If you want a moderate, then Pete or Gabbard makes more sense. Joe is president or retired.
I would love that ticket...all kinds of experience there and progressive ideas too.
I would love a Warren/Biden ticket, not Biden/Warren.
I don't think there's a chance Biden runs as VP. There's no point. If you want a moderate, then Pete or Gabbard makes more sense. Joe is president or retired.
Great. I really misspoke. I wouldn't "love" a Warren/Biden ticket. I just wouldn't mind if Biden was VP, and I wouldn't mind anyone else Warren chose either, as long as she's POTUS. I would really prefer a Warren/Buttigieg ticket.... I wouldn't mind a Buttigieg/Warren ticket either (maybe weirdly, as their platforms are quite different), but that's not happening obviously. I really don't care for the idea of Biden being POTUS though. I mean, obviously it's a huge improvement from now and I wouldn't be horrified or anything close by it - he's a decent man and is technically qualified - but I don't see why anyone thinks he's actually a great option for President. I'm confused by those supporting him TBH. To me it more seems like people are just supporting him because they are scared, not because they think he would be great.
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I would love that ticket...all kinds of experience there and progressive ideas too.
I would love a Warren/Biden ticket, not Biden/Warren.
I don't think there's a chance Biden runs as VP. There's no point. If you want a moderate, then Pete or Gabbard makes more sense. Joe is president or retired.
Great. I really misspoke. I wouldn't exactly "love" a Warren/Biden ticket. I just wouldn't mind if Biden was VP. I would MUCH prefer a Warren/Buttigieg ticket.... I wouldn't mind a Buttigieg/Warren ticket either, but that's not happening obviously. I really don't care for the idea of Biden being POTUS though. I mean, obviously it's a huge improvement from now and I wouldn't be horrified or anything close by it - he's a decent man - but I don't see why anyone thinks he's actually a great option for President. I'm confused by those supporting him TBH. To me it more seems like people are just supporting him because they are scared, not because they think he would be great.
I like his policies. It's pretty simple for me. I like Pete too, and Amy. They are just long shots.
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As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?
I guess I don't know what "radical" means anymore, Kat. Warren keeps being labeled a "radical", often by the same people who support Trump. How's that for irony!
I’m not saying it’s my preference, or it’s the way it should be, or that it’s a winning ticket, or whatever, but does anybody have thoughts on Biden/Warren 2020? I would just hate to have a repeat of 2016, where a group of voters stayed home or didn’t vote because their preferred candidate didn’t get the nomination. I feel like there has to be some sort of coming together of the Democratic Party. I personally don’t think it would happen because they’re probably to ideologically different.
The only reason I put Biden in the #1 spot because he’s already been vp.
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There is no strong #2 moderate to act as Bidens wing (wo)man. Warren has been allowed to operate with no heat on her lately
Harris would have been great for this spot but she decided to join team m4a and attack Biden over busing. Maybe its Pete but I worry the USA isn't ready for him.
Point it, Warren has been allowed to skate thru this process so far with no challenge. Biden stumbles on the debate stage because he knows he should be calling out her policies as extreme, but his instincts are to be a gentleman.
The good thing about 12 debaters is dems will have 2 nights in the spotlight. The bad news is Biden/ Warren may be split, and there will not be anyone on her night to challenge her policies as extreme (and they play right into the GOP's attack plan).
I had also read an article recently that talked about how the Bernie campaign is starting to challenge Warren on some things.
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Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
-EV 8/14/93
So I agree, if he isn't all-in, a Biden presidency could be a mess (relative to normal presidents, not Trump).
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
That was exactly Warren's defense and it was very weak.
Its assuming undecided voters are not smart enough to figure out whether a " you're a socialist" attack has merit or not. A liberal like me was even insulted by it.
In her case, her central policy will easily be labeled as a socialist mandate. She will be labeled as unamerican.
And such a better policy was right there for her to pick. Like Mayor Pete did. Now there's a smart candidate.
The #1 issue for non R voters by a 4 to 1 margin is ironically "beat trump." It was polling at 40% while healthcare was at 10%.
M4A demonstrates bad decision making by a warren and Sanders in a country that just voted for trump. Let people that want govt healthcare pick it and call it choice and competition, something we can all get behind
People are calling Biden status quo should consider that the public option would be the most revolutionary new domestic policy since FDR.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-EV 8/14/93
I’m not saying it’s my preference, or it’s the way it should be, or that it’s a winning ticket, or whatever, but does anybody have thoughts on Biden/Warren 2020? I would just hate to have a repeat of 2016, where a group of voters stayed home or didn’t vote because their preferred candidate didn’t get the nomination. I feel like there has to be some sort of coming together of the Democratic Party. I personally don’t think it would happen because they’re probably to ideologically different.
The only reason I put Biden in the #1 spot because he’s already been vp.
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I can dig that ticket. Sounds like a winner to me.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-EV 8/14/93
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