What’s Warren’s baggage other than claiming Native American heritage? She ever rape anyone? Sexually assault anyone? Rip anyone off? Claim bankruptcy multiple times? Refuse to release her taxes? Been married multiple times? Side with corporate America and the 1% multiple times to the detriment of all others? Violate the constitution?
Underestimate Elizabeth at your peril. She’s working hard and as more people witness her passion, energy, commitment and consistency, you’ll see her gather momentum. Team Trump Treason won’t debate her and if he does, he’ll lack substance and resort to name calling. Enough Americans are sick of it and him.
Warren has never proven she could take a punch and counter, and her health mandates will scare mid America voters.
Biden and the dems have mostly treated her with kid gloves and it is starting to hurt the party
Regarding Warren's "Native American heritage" it demonstrates that she made bad political decisions and got knocked out by trump's punch
She followed decades of supporting her terrible employment application decision as a young woman with a horrific decision to take a dna test.
She followed up that decision to publicly support her dna test decision.
It wasn't until tribal leaders essentially took trumps side until she backed down. Trump boxed her into a corner and made her look like a fool, and he was barely trying.
Most, if not all, will not matter to voters when presented with a choice. So, the only baggage she has is Pocahontas? I see her making Team Trump Treason look small and petty during the debates.
I also didnt think voters would care at all about a silly email server.
That was after 30 years of being unfairly attacked for “shady” business deals, from White Water, to Rose Law Firm billing records to pork belly futures and Uranium One (not one indictment and Hillary is still walking free, if I were Liz, I’d ask Team Trump Treason why Hillary hasn’t been locked up yet). Liz has no such baggage and no history of being shady. Pocahontas attacks won’t appeal to suburban women and the more voters get to know her, the less they’ll see her as socialist. She will have to tack back to the center after she secured the nomination and she’ll be attacked more forcefully as the field winnows and she’ll hold her own. All of which will benefit her in the general. She’s not going to tolerate Team Trump Treason’s shit on the debate stage or campaign trail.
I'm not sure @Halifax2TheMax there is tacking back from supporting an outright socialist health system that includes mandates. If she tries that I fear trump will successfully tag her as a socialist either way. That attack on Biden doesnt resonate with the coveted reagan Democrats or whatever we chose to call them.
I agree Warren's record is much much cleaner than hilary, but as trump has proven 18 times he only needs one line of attack to resonate and warren has demonstrated she doesnt have a counter to that dna test
At least the dems should be firing away at her. Let her prove she can rebut her dna test before we trust her with the nom.
Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
At this point, I’m not sure how many who’ve stood by Trump this far will go anywhere but by his side.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
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Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
At this point, I’m not sure how many who’ve stood by Trump this far will go anywhere but by his side.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
I disagree. The wide arc of the Left is the future of the Democratic party, if it wants to be successful. While you aren't calling it this, you are advocating for purity politics, not the big tent. The Republicans have already done their purge. The demographics and future are against it. I am not an advocate of the Dems following the same path.
Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
At this point, I’m not sure how many who’ve stood by Trump this far will go anywhere but by his side.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
I disagree. The wide arc of the Left is the future of the Democratic party, if it wants to be successful. While you aren't calling it this, you are advocating for purity politics, not the big tent. The Republicans have already done their purge. The demographics and future are against it. I am not an advocate of the Dems following the same path.
I see where you’re coming from, and it’s nothing more than gut, but I don’t think activating that voter block of the wide arc of the left is going to happen with the way the DNC is being run. I think public infighting within the DNC also weakens the ‘for the greater good’ narrative it seems to ask voters to adopt.
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Any D candidate will STOMP DJT if he even makes it to the general. He's on thin effing ice.
At this point, I’m not sure how many who’ve stood by Trump this far will go anywhere but by his side.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
I disagree. The wide arc of the Left is the future of the Democratic party, if it wants to be successful. While you aren't calling it this, you are advocating for purity politics, not the big tent. The Republicans have already done their purge. The demographics and future are against it. I am not an advocate of the Dems following the same path.
I see where you’re coming from, and it’s nothing more than gut, but I don’t think activating that voter block of the wide arc of the left is going to happen with the way the DNC is being run. I think public infighting within the DNC also weakens the ‘for the greater good’ narrative it seems to ask voters to adopt.
The problem the dems have is the progressive wing tends to be younger millenials who are passionate about their views but are not passionate about taking the cautious steps needed to first secure power and then work towards improving current law to eventually attain their goals.
It seems it's either they win now or they take their toys and go home and trump wins.
Another problem is their progressive govt takeover solution is not easily sellable to undecided swing state voters
This is the exact opposite of the gop model. Republicans fall in line with the nominee (even if he is a rapist) and extreme GOP policy sells well to those undecided swing state voters (strong military, low taxes, party of growth, etc).
Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer have qualified for the next debate.
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Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer have qualified for the next debate.
Ugh.
What? Lol, I wonder who Tulsi takes out this round.
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Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer have qualified for the next debate.
Ugh.
.What? Lol, I wonder who Tulsi takes out this round.
They looked like they might be getting a manageable amount of candidates and now we are going back to the clown show.
Yeah, I feel ya, but it’s only two more and I personally like Gabbard, don’t know much about Steyer. Maybe we can swap them for Castro and Yang. Next debate qualifications will be harder so we’ll be in single digits hopefully.
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Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer have qualified for the next debate.
Ugh.
.What? Lol, I wonder who Tulsi takes out this round.
They looked like they might be getting a manageable amount of candidates and now we are going back to the clown show.
Yeah, I feel ya, but it’s only two more and I personally like Gabbard, don’t know much about Steyer. Maybe we can swap them for Castro and Yang. Next debate qualifications will be harder so we’ll be in single digits hopefully.
We're already at 12 candidates. No thanks, I want less. Fuck Steyer. If he actually used his money to influence state and local races I'd have more respect for him, instead of throwing his money down the drain. Talk about completely aloof. And then I get this in South Philly:
Guy panders and lazily runs a shit ton of Facebook ads just so he could "qualify" for this debate. He's done nothing of substance.
Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer have qualified for the next debate.
Ugh.
.What? Lol, I wonder who Tulsi takes out this round.
They looked like they might be getting a manageable amount of candidates and now we are going back to the clown show.
Yeah, I feel ya, but it’s only two more and I personally like Gabbard, don’t know much about Steyer. Maybe we can swap them for Castro and Yang. Next debate qualifications will be harder so we’ll be in single digits hopefully.
We're already at 12 candidates. No thanks, I want less. Fuck Steyer. If he actually used his money to influence state and local races I'd have more respect for him, instead of throwing his money down the drain. Talk about completely aloof. And then I get this in South Philly:
Guy panders and lazily runs a shit ton of Facebook ads just so he could "qualify" for this debate. He's done nothing of substance.
What?
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He bought his way onto the debate by running a shit ton of ads on Facebook to meet the contributor requirement, which is lazy. Above is him stopping into a barber shop near my house, which is a complete fucking pander.
I could be wrong , but I was under impression Tom Steyer had put lots of money towards different elections throughout the country in hopes of a more progressive country. I know he’s also done numerous town halls, even before announcing a run. Tom Steyer has been the leader on impeaching Trump from the very beginning.
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Also - there's no single digits. We're at 12 candidates for the next debate which is just getting goddamn useless.
Yeah, we went from ten to 12 with Gabbard and Steyer. I was referring to the 5th debate which will have tougher qualifications. You’ll have to forgive me, I’m sure my horrible grammar skills got in the way of what I was trying to say.
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I could be wrong , but I was under impression Tom Steyer had put lots of money towards different elections throughout the country in hopes of a more progressive country. I know he’s also done numerous town halls, even before announcing a run. Tom Steyer has been the leader on impeaching Trump from the very beginning.
Then he should continue to put that money into real people running for office with real policy.
Running a campaign on "Impeaching Trump"/"Anybody but Trump" is fucking hollow. All he's doing is adding to the clusterfuck. He's never going to poll any higher. People with money have a shit ton of ego, as we've seen.
I could be wrong , but I was under impression Tom Steyer had put lots of money towards different elections throughout the country in hopes of a more progressive country. I know he’s also done numerous town halls, even before announcing a run. Tom Steyer has been the leader on impeaching Trump from the very beginning.
Then he should continue to put that money into real people running for office with real policy.
Running a campaign on "Impeaching Trump"/"Anybody but Trump" is fucking hollow. All he's doing is adding to the clusterfuck. He's never going to poll any higher. People with money have a shit ton of ego, as we've seen.
Yes, I get it. It’s just one more debate and we have a lot more to go and considering he’s been the leader on impeachment and the new developments, I look forward to hearing him.
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I could be wrong , but I was under impression Tom Steyer had put lots of money towards different elections throughout the country in hopes of a more progressive country. I know he’s also done numerous town halls, even before announcing a run. Tom Steyer has been the leader on impeaching Trump from the very beginning.
Then he should continue to put that money into real people running for office with real policy.
Running a campaign on "Impeaching Trump"/"Anybody but Trump" is fucking hollow. All he's doing is adding to the clusterfuck. He's never going to poll any higher. People with money have a shit ton of ego, as we've seen.
Everyone thinks they are the best able to be the president. You have to be a bit of a narcissist to run for president to start. I find your criticisms unusual because they could be applied to anyone. Give the guy credit for putting his own money towards what he believes, and his time. Most are perfectly comfortable using the money of others instead.
Elizabeth Warren tops Democratic candidates in national poll for first time
New Quinnipiac survey finds Massachusetts senator polling at 27% with Biden on 25% and Sanders 16%
There is no doubt that she is trending upwards, and I find it interesting as well. It’s interesting what polls get highlighted when there are other polls, with larger sample sizes, that show something totally different.
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I agree Warren's record is much much cleaner than hilary, but as trump has proven 18 times he only needs one line of attack to resonate and warren has demonstrated she doesnt have a counter to that dna test
At least the dems should be firing away at her. Let her prove she can rebut her dna test before we trust her with the nom.
On the Democrat side, there’s a real attack on moderatism from some candidates which could compel some to stay home if the DNC nominee is a moderate front runner who has appeared weak and not ‘all there’ on nearly every public appearance. Alternatively, the fear-mongering against progressivism has already likely eroded much of the voter base who would begrudgingly support the liberal cohort of Sanders or Warren as well.
If I were a betting man, my bet would be on Trump in 2020, though there’s no bet I’d be happier to lose. The two faces of the DNC (progressivism and moderatism) are at war with each other, and I feel the lack of definition of the party is a core problem that needs to be addressed.
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The problem the dems have is the progressive wing tends to be younger millenials who are passionate about their views but are not passionate about taking the cautious steps needed to first secure power and then work towards improving current law to eventually attain their goals.
It seems it's either they win now or they take their toys and go home and trump wins.
Another problem is their progressive govt takeover solution is not easily sellable to undecided swing state voters
This is the exact opposite of the gop model. Republicans fall in line with the nominee (even if he is a rapist) and extreme GOP policy sells well to those undecided swing state voters (strong military, low taxes, party of growth, etc).
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Guy panders and lazily runs a shit ton of Facebook ads just so he could "qualify" for this debate. He's done nothing of substance.
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Running a campaign on "Impeaching Trump"/"Anybody but Trump" is fucking hollow. All he's doing is adding to the clusterfuck. He's never going to poll any higher. People with money have a shit ton of ego, as we've seen.
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Elizabeth Warren tops Democratic candidates in national poll for first time
New Quinnipiac survey finds Massachusetts senator polling at 27% with Biden on 25% and Sanders 16%
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