The Democratic Candidates

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,675
    PJPOWER said:
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     How does it happen with(out (im presuming?)) major bloodshed?
    Why would there be "major bloodshed"? 

    Sounds to me like if it would cause major bloodshed -- wouldn't that be reason enough in and of itself to remove these rights?

    And there wasn't any in Australia to my knowledge?

    (please delete this post if its in the risk of losing posting privileges)
    how compliant do you think gun owners would be in the US? hmm? voluntary buyback does jack shit here. Government wants them, they gotta take them. otherwise the whole exercise is bullshit talking point.
    First off, are the rifles registered to people in the US? As in, is there a database where one can see who owns the specific rifles?
    no.
    That's one way to do it.
    Hence the “slippery slope” arguments.  The gun rights activists have been preaching that registration leads to confiscation as a major political rallying point for years.  Now that we have a candidate openly saying “we’re going to take your guns”, their concerns are now 100% validated.  Now, it is going to be even harder to even push registration.  This is where Beto’s “we’re gonna take um” stance is undermining the gun control crowd.  We’re seeing that happening in TX right now.  Dan Patrick, a hardcore conservative, (for instance) mentioned registration
     and he is now most likely going to be voted out as the mud slinging has already begun.  No one really answered my question...How would confiscation even play out?  The buyback programs in the US so far have been duds.  
    To say "X is going to happen" for years and years, and then X finally happens - doesn't mean there's some kind of Nostradamus in the NRA or GOP. All that means that a very likely combination of events/non-events (mass shootings for decades + mass unwillingness to correct the mistake for decades) caused a very logical reaction (people annoyed over mass unwillingness to correct a mistake resulting in slaughtered children, and calling for actions more extreme than previously rejected compromises and/or checks and balances). When you ask for a little and get nothing, then you have no choice but to demand a lot as the situation worsens.

    I feel your understanding of the cause and effect (Republicans refuse to cede to Democrat requests because Democrats want huge gun reforms) is completely backwards, and I also feel that that misunderstanding, while it may be real for you, has been purposefully exploited by the likes of the NRA and GOP and been inaccurately communicated.
    Still haven’t answered my question.  How would mass confiscation as Beto is pushing work?  Past buyback programs in the US have been complete duds...so what then?  You saying that I misunderstand does not make it so.  I feel that you are misunderstanding...see how that works?  But anyways, if you feel that Beto’s approach is helping gun control, then that’s great...I do not and would never vote for someone with his approach...that’s what really matters (if you still “feel” your vote matters).
    Fair on the question (you asked first). I have grave concerns over how mass confiscation would work in a culturally gun-obsessed environment like the States, and didn't say that Beto's approach is helping gun control (I didn't even bring up Beto or buybacks). I said that Republican talking points have planted seeds of paranoia in the minds of their supporters, which have led to even the most meagre gun control attempts being shot down for fear of the slippery slope creating a fully unarmed USA, which then creates more anger because of inactivity, so the DNC asks get bigger since the results are approximately zero since they're blocked by Republicans, and then Republicans continue the vicious circle by telling their supporters about how the Democrats want all of your guns.

    Also, I reject your opinion that there's become some common ground in approaches. If my opponents in progress only throw me a bone very infrequently (and it's always less than I ask for), why would I ask for anything less than the moon in each negotiation (when I even have the rare opportunity to get this on the table in the Republican-controlled Senate)? Can you at least concede that there are non-starters coming from both Republicans and Democrats today? 
    It’s not really a concession as much as an agreement, but Republicans and Democrats produce plenty non-starters.  And that is where we were on two different pages, as I am talking specifically about O’Rourke and his “plan”.  I was trying to keep that narrow focus instead of a broad gun control argument as this is the “Democrat candidates” thread.  Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of lying to garner support for their platforms related to gun control.  
    All gun control has been “non starter”. People pretend to be concerned about a slippery slope and all that nonsense as an excuse to keep everything the same and fool themselves into thinking they aren't part of the problem and they don’t share any responsibility for all the deaths. 
    I agree. The vague "I'm all for common sense gun reform measures" quickly falls apart with any specific measure suggested and reverts to the "slippery slope" argument. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,710
    Getting into the cold analytics,  Warren is having a pretty good week as the field begins to clear.  Bernie needs to take a step back for himself.  Joe has to fend off unfair allegations.  Pete could come out a winner too if he can somehow coalesce some moderates unsure about Liz. 
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 20,556
    mrussel1 said:
    Getting into the cold analytics,  Warren is having a pretty good week as the field begins to clear.  Bernie needs to take a step back for himself.  Joe has to fend off unfair allegations.  Pete could come out a winner too if he can somehow coalesce some moderates unsure about Liz. 
    Bernie stepped back, though not by choice I presume.  Hospitalized for a blocked artery?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,710
    hedonist said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Getting into the cold analytics,  Warren is having a pretty good week as the field begins to clear.  Bernie needs to take a step back for himself.  Joe has to fend off unfair allegations.  Pete could come out a winner too if he can somehow coalesce some moderates unsure about Liz. 
    Bernie stepped back, though not by choice I presume.  Hospitalized for a blocked artery?
    Two stents. Pretty serious stuff 
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,719
    edited October 2019
    Yeah, really wild lately. Polls show Warren doing better with African Americans. 
    I think the Ukraine Treason by Trump is gonna hurt Biden. Unfair I suppose, but just the perception of it all. Interesting to see how that plays out. If I had to bet today on who I think is getting the nomination, I’d put my money on Warren. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 21,880
    I wish the man a speedy recovery but I don’t see him coming back from this type of surgery in time to stage an effective campaign.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 13,472
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wish the man a speedy recovery but I don’t see him coming back from this type of surgery in time to stage an effective campaign.  
    I agree. Not a fan, but feel bad for him to have this detail his dream. I wish a speedy recovery.

    This is his chance to help the Dems and help control the nomination if not the election. If Bernie decides to drop out and throw his support to say... Warren...things get very interesting. 
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    mcgruff10 said:
    I wish the man a speedy recovery but I don’t see him coming back from this type of surgery in time to stage an effective campaign.  
    I agree. Not a fan, but feel bad for him to have this detail his dream. I wish a speedy recovery.

    This is his chance to help the Dems and help control the nomination if not the election. If Bernie decides to drop out and throw his support to say... Warren...things get very interesting. 
    I think that’s exactly what’s happening. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 21,880
    Hi! said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wish the man a speedy recovery but I don’t see him coming back from this type of surgery in time to stage an effective campaign.  
    I agree. Not a fan, but feel bad for him to have this detail his dream. I wish a speedy recovery.

    This is his chance to help the Dems and help control the nomination if not the election. If Bernie decides to drop out and throw his support to say... Warren...things get very interesting. 
    I think that’s exactly what’s happening. 
    Would Bernie supporters first choice be warren? Is she the next most progressive candidate?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,719
    mcgruff10 said:
    Hi! said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wish the man a speedy recovery but I don’t see him coming back from this type of surgery in time to stage an effective campaign.  
    I agree. Not a fan, but feel bad for him to have this detail his dream. I wish a speedy recovery.

    This is his chance to help the Dems and help control the nomination if not the election. If Bernie decides to drop out and throw his support to say... Warren...things get very interesting. 
    I think that’s exactly what’s happening. 
    Would Bernie supporters first choice be warren? Is she the next most progressive candidate?
    I would think so. At least a larger percentage would favor Warren at this point. I know there is older polling that suggests Biden had the advantage, but momentum has changed towards Warren. Just my guess.
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,114
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wish the man a speedy recovery but I don’t see him coming back from this type of surgery in time to stage an effective campaign.  
    I agree. Not a fan, but feel bad for him to have this detail his dream. I wish a speedy recovery.

    This is his chance to help the Dems and help control the nomination if not the election. If Bernie decides to drop out and throw his support to say... Warren...things get very interesting. 
    For Bernie, I can imagine that his heart breaking has been heart-breaking (sorry, I had to).

    The one silver lining is that he's got a very noble way to excuse himself that wouldn't harm anyone in the DNC, and if he gives his support to Warren, she will inherit a healthy percentage of his current voting cohort easily and I think will be in the technical 'front-runner' position within a week. Emboldened by the obviousness of Trump's disgraceful actions, I think DNC voters will feel they can take a larger risk on a person more progressive than they might have accepted otherwise. If this does happen (a lot of presumptions here) my one fear is that Warren tries to shift to be more acceptable to centrists (which I truly hope she doesn't do - her authenticity and focus and clarity and consistency have all been great assets for her campaign), and outrages Sanders' fans to repeat the sentiment issued towards Clinton in '16. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,085
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wish the man a speedy recovery but I don’t see him coming back from this type of surgery in time to stage an effective campaign.  
    I agree. Not a fan, but feel bad for him to have this detail his dream. I wish a speedy recovery.

    This is his chance to help the Dems and help control the nomination if not the election. If Bernie decides to drop out and throw his support to say... Warren...things get very interesting. 
    If that happens he’ll be accused of faking it about four seconds later.

     I would hope (but doubt) that he’ll lay low and back the winner of the nomination, even if it is Biden.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,595
    I got a Bernie sign in my window, and I like Pete and Kamala. 

    Elizabeth Warren is still going to be a fine Senator and trusted ally.   So is Cory Booker.  rev up Beto against John Cornyn who is at least 85 years old and has terrible policy ideas.  Concentrate on the Senate.  Flip Kentucky already.


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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 5,376
    edited October 2019
    ikiT said:
    I got a Bernie sign in my window, and I like Pete and Kamala. 

    Elizabeth Warren is still going to be a fine Senator and trusted ally.   So is Cory Booker.  rev up Beto against John Cornyn who is at least 85 years old and has terrible policy ideas.  Concentrate on the Senate.  Flip Kentucky already.


    Yeah, I don’t think O’Rourke stands a chance at dethroning Cornyn.  He is now a joke in TX.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,595
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    Thanks for stoppin' by...

    YA negativity is the real joke.  It's tired bro.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 5,376
    ikiT said:
    Thanks for stoppin' by...

    You're negativity is the real joke.  It's tired bro.
    Why do you have to make it about me, “bro”?  Beto is a dumbass, just stating the obvious.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,595
    Good luck with it.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,595
    THOUGH
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,595
    PJPOWER said:
    ikiT said:
    Thanks for stoppin' by...

    You're negativity is the real joke.  It's tired bro.
    Why do you have to make it about me, “bro”?  Beto is a dumbass, just stating the obvious.
    It's been a long week.  My bad.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,595
    He wants to serve, people like him.  He's taller than you and where he goes he brings great energy.  He's not a dumbass.  He's a leader.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,595
    edited October 2019
    Cornyn?  This guy?

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B1FaQRdgc12

    his game is weak
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 5,376
    edited October 2019
    ikiT said:
    He wants to serve, people like him.  He's taller than you and where he goes he brings great energy.  He's not a dumbass.  He's a leader.

    Hahaha, now you’re just making me laugh. 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 5,376
    ikiT said:
    Cornyn?  This guy?

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B1FaQRdgc12

    his game is weak
    You obviously haven’t seen the video of O’Rourke getting his flu vaccination yet :)
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 2,609
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Getting into the cold analytics,  Warren is having a pretty good week as the field begins to clear.  Bernie needs to take a step back for himself.  Joe has to fend off unfair allegations.  Pete could come out a winner too if he can somehow coalesce some moderates unsure about Liz. 
    Bernie stepped back, though not by choice I presume.  Hospitalized for a blocked artery?
    Two stents. Pretty serious stuff 


    It's a minor procedure. The stents are inserted into the wrist and travel to the arteries. He should be back campaigning in a week.

    If Warren is about to become the frontrunner candidates better start attacking her policies. 

    Since trump made warren look foolish last year, noone has tried to land a punch on her 

    Unlike Biden, who has been pounded from numerous Democrats as well as trump 

    It's almost like Democrats are trying to lose by elevating an untested candidate and constantly attacking their frontrunner 
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,595
    PJPOWER said:
    ikiT said:
    He wants to serve, people like him.  He's taller than you and where he goes he brings great energy.  He's not a dumbass.  He's a leader.

    Hahaha, now you’re just making me laugh. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,710
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Getting into the cold analytics,  Warren is having a pretty good week as the field begins to clear.  Bernie needs to take a step back for himself.  Joe has to fend off unfair allegations.  Pete could come out a winner too if he can somehow coalesce some moderates unsure about Liz. 
    Bernie stepped back, though not by choice I presume.  Hospitalized for a blocked artery?
    Two stents. Pretty serious stuff 


    It's a minor procedure. The stents are inserted into the wrist and travel to the arteries. He should be back campaigning in a week.

    If Warren is about to become the frontrunner candidates better start attacking her policies. 

    Since trump made warren look foolish last year, noone has tried to land a punch on her 

    Unlike Biden, who has been pounded from numerous Democrats as well as trump 

    It's almost like Democrats are trying to lose by elevating an untested candidate and constantly attacking their frontrunner 
    The procedure is minor but symptoms are serious.  
    Biden had taken a beating for sure, from both sides.  
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,831

    Trump campaign to drop bomb on Biden in early voting states



    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/03/trump-biden-campaign-bomb-early-voting-026369
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