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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,663
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and in the closed threads, he seemed to understand his tax system just fine. I'm not sure why not knowing how a party leader is chosen makes a lick of difference if he can argue whether his country is more livable than another. to me, THAT'S bizarre. 
    Sorry you're mixing two threads.  And no,  there was a complete lack of understanding on the top marginal brackets of income.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,663
    edited July 2019
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i would argue it is actually quite rare for any citizen to know the ins and outs of how the system actually operates when it comes to the items you mentioned, but that doesn't exclude them from being able to tell which policy is good and which is bad. that's ludicrous. 
    So you argue that a country should have universal health and education and not even understand the tax policy necessary to achieve it? Ok, way to set a low bar for knowledge.  Sorry that I discount such uninformed opinions.  You can't have a math argument with someone that only understands half the equation. 
    again, you are arguing two different things. policy vs system/structure. stick to one or this can't go any further. 
    How do you argue for a set of social benefits without the cost side?  This is tax policy necessary for the benefit. I don't even understand what you're saying at this point. 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,066
    edited July 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Every time these US primaries come up, I realize that in Canada:

    -the party chooses its own leader in a private vote
    -the election campaign trail itself lasts about 6 weeks. 

    the US system is just so preposterous. half of every presidential term is spent on looking at the next election. it's so absurd. 
    That's an interesting perspective.  So the people have no direct voice in your leader.  How's that better?
    that part isn't necessarily better, or worse, it's the length of time that is absolutely ridiculous. obviously, in the US, each party wants to know which candidate for leadership is most electable, which obviously makes sense. But I think if you have a finger on the pulse of your party's supporters and where you want it to go, you probably already know that. On the other hand, 300 million is a tad more than 30 million. 

    to me, it's all tied to money. 
    But they still vote within the party? It's not just some dudes in a room deciding Pope-style obviously? So it's still a democratic process. Even if by a representative democracy style...?
    So do you go to your convention and nominate your candidate with your vote? Is it any member of the party that shows up or is it only certain members that get a vote?

    I don't belong to any party so I have no say or vote...

    But in Sweden I think the different districts that a party is built up of  nominate and somehow cast their votes in the end. Something like that. So I guess it works something like a "regular member" votes for the people to lead his/her district, and those leaders in turn represents their district in the the next national level. I guess.

    But as been said, we vote more for "parties" than individual "leaders" here. They are of course the face of the party and with television and all becomes more important - but we still vote on a party because of the platform more than the leader.
    Do you really live in Sweden?
    what kind of insulting question is that?
    Because for someone who has such strong opinions in the States,  there seems to be a lack of understanding of both the political system and tax policy of Sweden. 
    you don't need to have a thorough understanding of tax and political systems in a country to have an opinion on policy. seriously, people in the US have shown to be some of the most politically ignorant, domestically and internationally. do those people not count when it comes to their opinion?
    They get to vote by virtue of their citizenship. But presumably they're not on this board either.  The vast majority of these debates involve people who understand the political and tax policies of the US, no matter which side of the aisle that they reside.  How does one relentlessly advocate for the policies and structures of their home county without even understanding the fine details under which they live?  It's bizarre. 
    You're seat-of-the-pants reaching and grasping for arguments I find very interesting.

    I have gone through our tax code like three times on this board.

    And I do not belong to any party. So why should I know how the respective parties do, other than having as much grasp as I should above.

    Keep reaching.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,835
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i would argue it is actually quite rare for any citizen to know the ins and outs of how the system actually operates when it comes to the items you mentioned, but that doesn't exclude them from being able to tell which policy is good and which is bad. that's ludicrous. 
    So you argue that a country should have universal health and education and not even understand the tax policy necessary to achieve it? Ok, way to set a low bar for knowledge.  Sorry that I discount such uninformed opinions.  You can't have a math argument with someone that only understands half the equation. 
    again, you are arguing two different things. policy vs system/structure. stick to one or this can't go any further. 
    How do you argue for a set of social benefits without the cost side?  This is tax policy necessary for the benefit. I don't even understand what you're saying at this point. 
    I'm not. 
    i agree. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,663
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i would argue it is actually quite rare for any citizen to know the ins and outs of how the system actually operates when it comes to the items you mentioned, but that doesn't exclude them from being able to tell which policy is good and which is bad. that's ludicrous. 
    So you argue that a country should have universal health and education and not even understand the tax policy necessary to achieve it? Ok, way to set a low bar for knowledge.  Sorry that I discount such uninformed opinions.  You can't have a math argument with someone that only understands half the equation. 
    again, you are arguing two different things. policy vs system/structure. stick to one or this can't go any further. 
    How do you argue for a set of social benefits without the cost side?  This is tax policy necessary for the benefit. I don't even understand what you're saying at this point. 
    I'm not. 
    i agree. 
    Peace Hugh 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,066

    The July Democratic debates

    https://youtu.be/NhayDTpGPO4
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,066

    Elizabeth Warren: Medicare For All Is Cheaper Than Our Current System 

    https://youtu.be/RlHik6YAPns


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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,730
    Watching the DNC chair do like an opening statement. He went back quite a ways detailing all the things Democrats have done for the country over the years. Of course...he didn't go TOO FAR back though lol 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,730
    I also get a kick out of the commercials/promos for these debates. The narrator sounds like a MMA or WWE narrator.

    Tune in tonight LIVE as Stone Cold Joe Biden squares off against Kamala The Hitman Harris. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,663
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I also get a kick out of the commercials/promos for these debates. The narrator sounds like a MMA or WWE narrator.

    Tune in tonight LIVE as Stone Cold Joe Biden squares off against Kamala The Hitman Harris. 
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,903
    edited August 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    Elizabeth Warren: Medicare For All Is Cheaper Than Our Current System 

    https://youtu.be/RlHik6YAPns


    How much will my taxes go up?  Where is the money coming from to pay for this?
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,120
    Not watching tonight. Had other obligations and really not sure I could watch 2 nights in a row anyhow. They have to get down to 10 or less fast! Preferably 8
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    cincybearcat said:
    Not watching tonight. Had other obligations and really not sure I could watch 2 nights in a row anyhow. They have to get down to 10 or less fast! Preferably 8
    Audience chants of "3 MILLION DEPORTATIONS" that CNN aired for a good 10 seconds, with Biden not even responding to it, followed by Julian Castro directly looking at him and saying he has no guts. That was... wow. Curious to see what that does to the polls.
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    Pretty wild. Biden under attack, doing ok. These people chanting are embarrassing, and I usually like that kind of stuff.  Deblasio a d bag. 

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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,730
    Biden doing much better tonight.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,903
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden doing much better tonight.
    biden 2020!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    RenfieldRenfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    edited August 2019
    Hi! said:
    Pretty wild. Biden under attack, doing ok. These people chanting are embarrassing, and I usually like that kind of stuff.  Deblasio a d bag. 
    Detest de Blasio, and he’s my mayor. 
    How Daniel Pantaleo still has his job is beyond me. 
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    I probably won’t vote for Booker if he’s the nominee.

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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,730
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden doing much better tonight.
    biden 2020!
    He’d have my vote. After these two debates, he’s the only one (of the people polling highest) that I can stand. Booker, Warren, and Harris just aren’t for me. I do like Mayor Pete though. What’s everyone’s thoughts on Biden/Pete ticket? Haven’t really seen that proposed. I’d like it. Pete vs. Pence is a fun matchup. Some history there. No love lost for sure. 
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,120
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden doing much better tonight.
    biden 2020!
    He’d have my vote. After these two debates, he’s the only one (of the people polling highest) that I can stand. Booker, Warren, and Harris just aren’t for me. I do like Mayor Pete though. What’s everyone’s thoughts on Biden/Pete ticket? Haven’t really seen that proposed. I’d like it. Pete vs. Pence is a fun matchup. Some history there. No love lost for sure. 
    I can’t see Joe winning the nomination and not having a women or minority as VP. So that won’t happen.

    Ive been wrong before though :)
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,663
    cincybearcat said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden doing much better tonight.
    biden 2020!
    He’d have my vote. After these two debates, he’s the only one (of the people polling highest) that I can stand. Booker, Warren, and Harris just aren’t for me. I do like Mayor Pete though. What’s everyone’s thoughts on Biden/Pete ticket? Haven’t really seen that proposed. I’d like it. Pete vs. Pence is a fun matchup. Some history there. No love lost for sure. 
    I can’t see Joe winning the nomination and not having a women or minority as VP. So that won’t happen.

    Ive been wrong before though :)
    Yep.  Same thought. 
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    cincybearcat said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden doing much better tonight.
    biden 2020!
    He’d have my vote. After these two debates, he’s the only one (of the people polling highest) that I can stand. Booker, Warren, and Harris just aren’t for me. I do like Mayor Pete though. What’s everyone’s thoughts on Biden/Pete ticket? Haven’t really seen that proposed. I’d like it. Pete vs. Pence is a fun matchup. Some history there. No love lost for sure. 
    I can’t see Joe winning the nomination and not having a women or minority as VP. So that won’t happen.

    Ive been wrong before though :)
    Funny... I think he would.  The party is not gonna want to run a pair of white guys.
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    Biden-Harris 2020.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,663
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Biden-Harris 2020.
    Doesn't it seem like Tulsi is the one keeping close to Joe?
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,643
    Good Lord, please let the screaming two oldsters lose traction.
    I thought tonight was better for not having them on the stage.  They will prove to be unelectable

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    Don’t like Harris anymore. Lol. Sick of her wagging her finger.
    Biden/Michelle
    Biden/Gabbard 
    Biden/Klobucher
    Biden/Abrams
    Biden/Warren
    Biden/Oprah
    Biden/Holder
    In no particular order.

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,663
    Does it seem like Warren and Bernie have a truce or a partnership? Highlights and reading I've done seem to indicate that not only are they staying away from attacking each other,  they're also providing mutual cover.
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    mrussel1 said:
    Does it seem like Warren and Bernie have a truce or a partnership? Highlights and reading I've done seem to indicate that not only are they staying away from attacking each other,  they're also providing mutual cover.
    Hard to say because they really are in the same lane. Same could be said of Biden/ Bennett, Biden/Gabbard

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    mrussel1 said:
    Does it seem like Warren and Bernie have a truce or a partnership? Highlights and reading I've done seem to indicate that not only are they staying away from attacking each other,  they're also providing mutual cover.
    Hard to say because they really are in the same lane. Same could be said of Biden/ Bennett, Biden/Gabbard

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