I'm less confident about these democrats' chances than I was a month ago.
I’m more concerned.
Mostly because
1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there. 2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result. 3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
Looking at it from the glass is half full perspective the republican field looked like a bunch of idiots with Trump being the biggest idiot of all and he ended up POTUS.
So who is the biggest idiot in the field that could be our next leader?
Looking at it from the glass is half full perspective the republican field looked like a bunch of idiots with Trump being the biggest idiot of all and he ended up POTUS.
So who is the biggest idiot in the field that could be our next leader?
Williamson.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Its actually even trickier than the wonky debates this week.
MFA is not free and will not include massive govt spending or an enormous tax
The trick is converting a sizable portion of the economy, what employers pay for healthcare, directly to worker salaries salaries. Pay us instead of our insurers.
If Bernie or Liz could do that, and then account for the lowering of the actual cost to provide care, the impact on our taxes would be minimal in theory
The reason I love Bernie but dont support him is he has done a terrible job communicating this. Too many Americans have a false perception on cost and I'll blame bernie for that because he has been talking about MFA healthcare the longest.
Michael Moore and Bernie can go pound sand in that the very people they profess to care about, “working class,” overwhelmingly vote against their self interest by voting repub, the exception being African Americans, and more recently Hispanics. They need to convince those folks to stop voting against their own interests.
Michael Moore and Bernie can go pound sand in that the very people they profess to care about, “working class,” overwhelmingly vote against their self interest by voting repub, the exception being African Americans, and more recently Hispanics. They need to convince those folks to stop voting against their own interests.
Watch the clip. Michael Moore brings this up.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
He was right on the money about Trump winning. Were you? he is also right on the money about the US not being the best country in the world. Are you? He also thinks Riot Act is the best album. Do you?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I don’t. But his 15 minutes have been up for a long time now.
Yeah he’s been pretty irrelevant since after Bowling For Columbine.....which I didn’t care for. Figured it was going to be about bowling....like Kingpin.
I'm less confident about these democrats' chances than I was a month ago.
I’m more concerned.
Mostly because
1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there. 2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result. 3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
I cringed a few times when he was stuttering....and I'm surprised I didn't see more attacks on twitter related to that.
I still think Biden has the best shot at tRump.
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I'm less confident about these democrats' chances than I was a month ago.
I’m more concerned.
Mostly because
1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there. 2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result. 3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
I cringed a few times when he was stuttering....and I'm surprised I didn't see more attacks on twitter related to that.
I still think Biden has the best shot at tRump.
And yet as cringy as it got at times, I still still thought he was better than last time.
I'm less confident about these democrats' chances than I was a month ago.
I’m more concerned.
Mostly because
1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there. 2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result. 3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
I cringed a few times when he was stuttering....and I'm surprised I didn't see more attacks on twitter related to that.
Looking at it from the glass is half full perspective the republican field looked like a bunch of idiots with Trump being the biggest idiot of all and he ended up POTUS.
So who is the biggest idiot in the field that could be our next leader?
Tie between Old Yelly Bernie and Old Yelly Elizabeth
Just typing that makes me feel like I need to go and yell at or talk over someone trying to make their own point.
The more I read and watch the more I realize that all the dem candidates are pretty damn shitty. Where is the next Obama? A country of 300 million plus and this is the best we have?
So I was able to watch the last 1+ hours. So my opinion based only on that:
1) Biden is a terrible candidate. He will get eaten up in the General election. He may still win but only because he isn’t trump. I’m not just parroting Trump here...he legit seems really old and tired. Like he doesn’t really want to be there. Weird.
2) Harris - she should not be the nominee at this point. She has some things going for her but she seems to only fall back on being a prosecutor...and she was explosed on that as well last night. Again - she could beat trump but she hardly seems like the best candidate (at this point).
3) Booker was far better than he has been. Still don’t see it.
4) Gabbard - she was pretty impressive from my view point. She seemed tough, sincere and ready for the spotlight. Like Harris and her always bringing up being a prosecutor...her playing the soldier card as much as she does is going to get old over time.
5) Yang - not a fan, but he did well for what he believes in.
Some others had a few moments here and there but nothing spectacular. I felt the Gellibrand questioning of Biden on his old op Ed was weird. Too much rambling to make a solid point. Seemed very “gotcha”...and people change and I’m not sure the full context was given. Weird.
i could barrow this down to 8 candidates right now. Would be willing to throw in 2 more if it had to be 10
Did you do something like this for night#1? Would like to read it.
Not a summary...but I can. This is from a moderate...so I may not be the target audience for the debates in a democratic primary.
1) Bernie - He is who he has been. He is not a democrat, he is a legit socialist. Free everything. He hasn't moved off his point of view in any direction. Which is good and bad. He will win the votes he already has and not many more. He may beat Trump...but its a vote that as a moderate I cannot make. I won't vote for trump or Bernie. His yelling and hand raising is getting really annoying. Less tough and more angry grandpa.
2) Warren - she's what Bernie wants to be. She has many of the same plans. She comes across as tough. She doesn't back down. She yells too...but the bad traits are toned down a bit. This she is too far to the left for a moderate like me. But she would be terrific in a debate with trump and could energize the voters in the Dem party. She would have headwinds (like Hillary) but she will actually campaign. It was a strong performance and I really think set her apart from bernie some. Her free everything campaign will face significant hurdles and it would be tough for someone like me to vote for her though. It would be interesting how she defends her plans in front of a moderate or mixed crowd and not a primary.
3) Pete - While I don't like all his policies, he was great again that night. He was calm, collected, smart and able to articulate his answers and even the small details at times. He is an inspiring candidate without relying on the HATE vote that Bernie does. I really think he has a very slim shot at this nomination...but his career is going to be promising. It wouldn't surprise me if he is elected president in in the next 12 years.
4) Amy K - she had a strong night for her. She really is the candidate that comes the closest to matching my views. She is strong, tough and poised. I think she improved herself in her debate.
5) Williamson - the bar was low for her, but she was impressive on stage that night. She made some great comments regarding the Dem party and seemed to be saying the things that some others should say to defend their plans. It was a really strong debate for her.
The rest - mostly throwaways. Some nice things, but not enough their to energize the base or win a general election. Perhaps if it was a 2 way race between on of them and like a Bernie. But too many other options that are similar in ways a better candidates.
Thank you.
I think the whole "I'm a moderate" thing is a bit silly, but I guess it's a phase. Other than that I agree with a lot.
I think Bernie yelling helps him though and makes him feel honest. The "I WROTE THE DAMN BILL" felt more real than anything else of what I've seen that night. So I don't think that would be a negative for him making people care to vote.
Amy K I didn't like from the start, so haven't really given her any attention.
Williamson is great - because like Trump and Yang she's in a position to not having to "protect" being a politician and therefore can spit truths. But she is crazy.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Its actually even trickier than the wonky debates this week.
MFA is not free and will not include massive govt spending or an enormous tax
The trick is converting a sizable portion of the economy, what employers pay for healthcare, directly to worker salaries salaries. Pay us instead of our insurers.
If Bernie or Liz could do that, and then account for the lowering of the actual cost to provide care, the impact on our taxes would be minimal in theory
The reason I love Bernie but dont support him is he has done a terrible job communicating this. Too many Americans have a false perception on cost and I'll blame bernie for that because he has been talking about MFA healthcare the longest.
People, when making the "too expensive" argument, also fail to take into account the "tax" they already pay in their Health Care Premium every paycheck, what their employer is forced to kick in, and also all their deductibles and other out of pocket costs.
I also loathe when Average Joe's cry about a "death tax" that effects billionaires.... yet, Average Joe goes to the nursing home and they siphon off their life's savings for their care.
And from last night, the one who gained the most value to me was Inslee.
These things are mainly worthless. Candidates all largely agreeing with one another trying to stand out in some way, vying to reach that elusive 5% mark. The ones over 5% just trying to survive and advance. Lots of grandstanding, time hogging, and yelling.
Harris did give me douche chills when she went on about requiring companies to immediately adapt equal pay or else lose 1% of their profits. Sounds like a terrible idea with a lot of potentially unintended consequences
So I was able to watch the last 1+ hours. So my opinion based only on that:
1) Biden is a terrible candidate. He will get eaten up in the General election. He may still win but only because he isn’t trump. I’m not just parroting Trump here...he legit seems really old and tired. Like he doesn’t really want to be there. Weird.
2) Harris - she should not be the nominee at this point. She has some things going for her but she seems to only fall back on being a prosecutor...and she was explosed on that as well last night. Again - she could beat trump but she hardly seems like the best candidate (at this point).
3) Booker was far better than he has been. Still don’t see it.
4) Gabbard - she was pretty impressive from my view point. She seemed tough, sincere and ready for the spotlight. Like Harris and her always bringing up being a prosecutor...her playing the soldier card as much as she does is going to get old over time.
5) Yang - not a fan, but he did well for what he believes in.
Some others had a few moments here and there but nothing spectacular. I felt the Gellibrand questioning of Biden on his old op Ed was weird. Too much rambling to make a solid point. Seemed very “gotcha”...and people change and I’m not sure the full context was given. Weird.
i could barrow this down to 8 candidates right now. Would be willing to throw in 2 more if it had to be 10
Did you do something like this for night#1? Would like to read it.
Not a summary...but I can. This is from a moderate...so I may not be the target audience for the debates in a democratic primary.
1) Bernie - He is who he has been. He is not a democrat, he is a legit socialist. Free everything. He hasn't moved off his point of view in any direction. Which is good and bad. He will win the votes he already has and not many more. He may beat Trump...but its a vote that as a moderate I cannot make. I won't vote for trump or Bernie. His yelling and hand raising is getting really annoying. Less tough and more angry grandpa.
2) Warren - she's what Bernie wants to be. She has many of the same plans. She comes across as tough. She doesn't back down. She yells too...but the bad traits are toned down a bit. This she is too far to the left for a moderate like me. But she would be terrific in a debate with trump and could energize the voters in the Dem party. She would have headwinds (like Hillary) but she will actually campaign. It was a strong performance and I really think set her apart from bernie some. Her free everything campaign will face significant hurdles and it would be tough for someone like me to vote for her though. It would be interesting how she defends her plans in front of a moderate or mixed crowd and not a primary.
3) Pete - While I don't like all his policies, he was great again that night. He was calm, collected, smart and able to articulate his answers and even the small details at times. He is an inspiring candidate without relying on the HATE vote that Bernie does. I really think he has a very slim shot at this nomination...but his career is going to be promising. It wouldn't surprise me if he is elected president in in the next 12 years.
4) Amy K - she had a strong night for her. She really is the candidate that comes the closest to matching my views. She is strong, tough and poised. I think she improved herself in her debate.
5) Williamson - the bar was low for her, but she was impressive on stage that night. She made some great comments regarding the Dem party and seemed to be saying the things that some others should say to defend their plans. It was a really strong debate for her.
The rest - mostly throwaways. Some nice things, but not enough their to energize the base or win a general election. Perhaps if it was a 2 way race between on of them and like a Bernie. But too many other options that are similar in ways a better candidates.
Thank you.
I think the whole "I'm a moderate" thing is a bit silly, but I guess it's a phase. Other than that I agree with a lot.
I think Bernie yelling helps him though and makes him feel honest. The "I WROTE THE DAMN BILL" felt more real than anything else of what I've seen that night. So I don't think that would be a negative for him making people care to vote.
Amy K I didn't like from the start, so haven't really given her any attention.
Williamson is great - because like Trump and Yang she's in a position to not having to "protect" being a politician and therefore can spit truths. But she is crazy.
Why is the moderate thing silly? I was just trying to admit I’m not the target of the dem primary.
The more I read and watch the more I realize that all the dem candidates are pretty damn shitty. Where is the next Obama? A country of 300 million plus and this is the best we have?
Disagree....any of them would be better than tRump.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The more I read and watch the more I realize that all the dem candidates are pretty damn shitty. Where is the next Obama? A country of 300 million plus and this is the best we have?
Disagree....any of them would be better than tRump.
How does that say they aren’t shitty candidates? Low bar
The more I read and watch the more I realize that all the dem candidates are pretty damn shitty. Where is the next Obama? A country of 300 million plus and this is the best we have?
Disagree....any of them would be better than tRump.
True but do any of them really stand out to you? I mean i absolutely loved Obama as a candidate. I was excited and proud to vote for him. These candidates? Yeah not too much. It was the same feeling for Hillary, I voted for her but I wasn't overly excited to think of her as the president.
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Mostly because
1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there.
2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result.
3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
So who is the biggest idiot in the field that could be our next leader?
Its actually even trickier than the wonky debates this week.
MFA is not free and will not include massive govt spending or an enormous tax
The trick is converting a sizable portion of the economy, what employers pay for healthcare, directly to worker salaries salaries. Pay us instead of our insurers.
If Bernie or Liz could do that, and then account for the lowering of the actual cost to provide care, the impact on our taxes would be minimal in theory
The reason I love Bernie but dont support him is he has done a terrible job communicating this. Too many Americans have a false perception on cost and I'll blame bernie for that because he has been talking about MFA healthcare the longest.
Michael Moore making the case that being afraid of a progressive candidate due to losing moderates is bullshit.
"the working class are women, the working class are people of color, the working class are young people"
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
he is also right on the money about the US not being the best country in the world. Are you?
He also thinks Riot Act is the best album. Do you?
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
I still think Biden has the best shot at tRump.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Sorry for asking.
I think the whole "I'm a moderate" thing is a bit silly, but I guess it's a phase.
I think Bernie yelling helps him though and makes him feel honest. The "I WROTE THE DAMN BILL" felt more real than anything else of what I've seen that night. So I don't think that would be a negative for him making people care to vote.
Amy K I didn't like from the start, so haven't really given her any attention.
Williamson is great - because like Trump and Yang she's in a position to not having to "protect" being a politician and therefore can spit truths. But she is crazy.
I also loathe when Average Joe's cry about a "death tax" that effects billionaires.... yet, Average Joe goes to the nursing home and they siphon off their life's savings for their care.
These things are mainly worthless. Candidates all largely agreeing with one another trying to stand out in some way, vying to reach that elusive 5% mark. The ones over 5% just trying to survive and advance. Lots of grandstanding, time hogging, and yelling.
Harris did give me douche chills when she went on about requiring companies to immediately adapt equal pay or else lose 1% of their profits. Sounds like a terrible idea with a lot of potentially unintended consequences
I vote republican and democrat.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana