The Democratic Candidates

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?

Yes. 

But I once listened to Staind. 

PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. She doesn't steal anything from Bernie. She is presenting her own well-thought out beliefs and plans, and they are ones that she has been talking about for years. That her views happen to overlap with some of Bernie's isn't pandering in the slightest. They certainly reside on the same side of the fence and always have. What make Warren superior is that her ideas about how to deal with the problems they both see are better organized.

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. She doesn't steal anything from Bernie. She is presenting her own well-thought out beliefs and plans, and they are ones that she has been talking about for years. That her views happen to overlap with some of Bernie's isn't pandering in the slightest. They certainly reside on the same side of the fence and always have. What make Warren superior is that her ideas about how to deal with the problems they both see are better organized.

So she's been advocating for erasing student debt for years?

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?

Yes. 

But I once listened to Staind. 

Therefore she hasn't been consistent her whole life.  I have no issue with a politician changing their view.  In fact it would concern me if anyone had the same views their whole lives.  Warren is pandering to the youth vote just like Bernie did.  It's politics. 

oftenreading

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?

So, she shows personal growth, then. 

Are you trying to argue that someone who has been a registered Dem for 23 years isn’t really a dem? 

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?

Yes. 

But I once listened to Staind. 

Therefore she hasn't been consistent her whole life.  I have no issue with a politician changing their view.  In fact it would concern me if anyone had the same views their whole lives.  Warren is pandering to the youth vote just like Bernie did.  It's politics. 

Oh - she hasn’t been consistent ALL OF HER LIFE so then she can’t be considered consistent. 

Well.... ok....

PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. She doesn't steal anything from Bernie. She is presenting her own well-thought out beliefs and plans, and they are ones that she has been talking about for years. That her views happen to overlap with some of Bernie's isn't pandering in the slightest. They certainly reside on the same side of the fence and always have. What make Warren superior is that her ideas about how to deal with the problems they both see are better organized.

So she's been advocating for erasing student debt for years?

Yes, she has been talking about making sure students graduate debt-free, as well as lowering or eliminating student loan debt, for years.

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?

So, she shows personal growth, then. 

Are you trying to argue that someone who has been a registered Dem for 23 years isn’t really a dem? 

No im saying what I said.  SC said she's been consistent her whole life,  yet as an adult she was a Republican.  These two statements are diametrically opposed.  They can't both be true.  

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?

So, she shows personal growth, then. 

Are you trying to argue that someone who has been a registered Dem for 23 years isn’t really a dem? 

No im saying what I said.  SC said she's been consistent her whole life,  yet as an adult she was a Republican.  These two statements are diametrically opposed.  They can't both be true.  

I Havent said she has been consistent her whole life. 

Meltdown99

I am waiting for the candidate that plans on paying off student, all other debt and offers free income a month for doing nothing...

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jason P said:

College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 

I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump

Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 

So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?

Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?

So, she shows personal growth, then. 

Are you trying to argue that someone who has been a registered Dem for 23 years isn’t really a dem? 

No im saying what I said.  SC said she's been consistent her whole life,  yet as an adult she was a Republican.  These two statements are diametrically opposed.  They can't both be true.  

I Havent said she has been consistent her whole life. 

Sorry misunderstood.  

mrussel1

So let's all make note that politicians can adjust their policy stances.  

Meltdown99

Let's also not forget that politicians are profession liers...I never trust any politician promising this and that...most of them are bull shitters...need term limits on politicians...oh yeah, ban lawyers from running.

PJ_Soul

Here is Warren's explanation for the Republican thing. It really only further strengthens her position IMO.

"I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away."

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

So let's all make note that politicians can adjust their policy stances.  

But you that keep track om Queen E - What exactly has she changed in her beliefs, from going rep to dem?

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

Here is Warren's explanation for the Republican thing. It really only further strengthens her position IMO.

"I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away."

You don't find it convenient that her move in the 90s is aligned perfectly with the populist times, when explained today? And how are her current proposals even close to free market conservative principles?  I'd prefer to see some contemporaneous explanation,  but I'm sure that doesn't exist. 

PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Here is Warren's explanation for the Republican thing. It really only further strengthens her position IMO.

"I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away."

You don't find it convenient that her move in the 90s is aligned perfectly with the populist times, when explained today? And how are her current proposals even close to free market conservative principles?  I'd prefer to see some contemporaneous explanation,  but I'm sure that doesn't exist. 

No. And I actually feel like you are actively looking for reasons not to like Warren, to the point where you're just kind of making things up. Her political view evolved. That is a good thing. I'm not sure how you find something so negative here.