The Democratic Candidates
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Credit Warren for working hard in Iowa and, “having a plan for that.” But beyond Iowa and NH, and solidly blue states, we’ll see if she appeals to indies and disappointed Team Trump Treason voters or Weld repubs. America is not ready for a gay president with a first husband, sadly. The rest won’t gain enough traction to continue much beyond Super Tuesday. Beto is toast in that his Schtick of jumping on things and giving soaring platudenous speeches with little policy details can only carry you so far. It’s still early and anything can happen as we’ll have to see what skeletons come rattling out of the respective closets.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Don't underestimate the power of the live stream eye exam.Halifax2TheMax said:Credit Warren for working hard in Iowa and, “having a plan for that.” But beyond Iowa and NH, and solidly blue states, we’ll see if she appeals to indies and disappointed Team Trump Treason voters or Weld repubs. America is not ready for a gay president with a first husband, sadly. The rest won’t gain enough traction to continue much beyond Super Tuesday. Beto is toast in that his Schtick of jumping on things and giving soaring platudenous speeches with little policy details can only carry you so far. It’s still early and anything can happen as we’ll have to see what skeletons come rattling out of the respective closets.0 -
Is Pete being gay really such a big problem with the voters who are open to voting for a democrat to begin with? Is it big enough to destroy his chances completely?
Doesn't seem like this is being brought up in the news shows I've seen -- are they to afraid to seriously touch on the subject? Is FOX news talking about it?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I fear it could be...Think of the tradition associated with the First Lady. I fear they won’t be able to pull the lever for Pete, even if they have no problem with their gay co-wørkér.Spiritual_Chaos said:Is Pete being gay really such a big problem with the voters who are open to voting for a democrat to begin with? Is it big enough to destroy his chances completely?
Doesn't seem like this is being brought up in the news shows I've seen -- are they to afraid to seriously touch on the subject? Is FOX news talking about it?1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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I believe it is. I love Pete, but I don’t think he stands a chance in the general. I have no idea how this is gonna play out and Biden isn't my favorite, but I believe he stands best chance of pulling in moderates, on the fence Trump voters, and older white voters better than anyone at this point. I could care less about policy at this point. These candidates aren’t going to be able to pass 1/4 of the shit they promise anyway. It’s all about getting us back on a forward progressive path instead of the one we are in. All about getting Trump out of office for me, that’s what I’m voting for.Spiritual_Chaos said:Is Pete being gay really such a big problem with the voters who are open to voting for a democrat to begin with? Is it big enough to destroy his chances completely?
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Don’t underestimate the power of older, retired voters, particularly older white voters, traditionally the highest percentage of eligible voters that actually vote.mrussel1 said:
Don't underestimate the power of the live stream eye exam.Halifax2TheMax said:Credit Warren for working hard in Iowa and, “having a plan for that.” But beyond Iowa and NH, and solidly blue states, we’ll see if she appeals to indies and disappointed Team Trump Treason voters or Weld repubs. America is not ready for a gay president with a first husband, sadly. The rest won’t gain enough traction to continue much beyond Super Tuesday. Beto is toast in that his Schtick of jumping on things and giving soaring platudenous speeches with little policy details can only carry you so far. It’s still early and anything can happen as we’ll have to see what skeletons come rattling out of the respective closets.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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And just to be clear, I want Warren to be the next president, but if Biden wins the nomination he's 100% my guy (even if I have no vote).jeffbr said:
It is simply an acknowledgement that Biden is a "safe" vote. The best candidate doesn't always get the nomination. The best candidate doesn't always win the election. Biden is a known quantity, who isn't necessarily a polarizing figure. Moderates make up a critical mass, so it only makes sense that someone like Biden would automatically assume the role of front-runner. And he polls well against Trump. My only care in 2020 is that a Dem beats Trump. So I'm perfectly happy that a Dem who polls well against Trump is currently the front-runner. Biden just polled 12 points higher than Trump in North Carolina.PJ_Soul said:That is just so sad that people already seem to think Biden is the one who might be the only one who can get this done. So, so sad.
I hope others feel the same way about their preferred candidates. Anybody. But. Trump.0 -
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I’m not sure if this is where your head’s at, but I have a very low threshold for disingenuous people/behaviours, and less so when it’s someone else’s name/character being dragged through the coals - and that’s why it’s getting to me.mrussel1 said:
I’m trying to learn to write Javascript so I may try to write a browser extension to hide specific posts (or posters’ comments). If I make any headway, I’ll share it of course, but I think I’m still a ways away.I'm right there with you on that bolded part. Dropping a lot of f bombs while reading this crap. lol@mrussel1 carry on with your self restraint. Your back is covered.0 -
That's the damn truth. That's why Twitter is just extraneous noise.Halifax2TheMax said:
Don’t underestimate the power of older, retired voters, particularly older white voters, traditionally the highest percentage of eligible voters that actually vote.mrussel1 said:
Don't underestimate the power of the live stream eye exam.Halifax2TheMax said:Credit Warren for working hard in Iowa and, “having a plan for that.” But beyond Iowa and NH, and solidly blue states, we’ll see if she appeals to indies and disappointed Team Trump Treason voters or Weld repubs. America is not ready for a gay president with a first husband, sadly. The rest won’t gain enough traction to continue much beyond Super Tuesday. Beto is toast in that his Schtick of jumping on things and giving soaring platudenous speeches with little policy details can only carry you so far. It’s still early and anything can happen as we’ll have to see what skeletons come rattling out of the respective closets.0 -
I know. Good support from many. ThanksRunIntoTheRain said:benjs said:
I’m not sure if this is where your head’s at, but I have a very low threshold for disingenuous people/behaviours, and less so when it’s someone else’s name/character being dragged through the coals - and that’s why it’s getting to me.mrussel1 said:
I’m trying to learn to write Javascript so I may try to write a browser extension to hide specific posts (or posters’ comments). If I make any headway, I’ll share it of course, but I think I’m still a ways away.I'm right there with you on that bolded part. Dropping a lot of f bombs while reading this crap. lol@mrussel1 carry on with your self restraint. Your back is covered.0 -
The ongoing tiff is being carried on by 1 person at this point...PJ_Soul said:Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both.
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As shown in this thread, you are not the one to actually read before you post (remember that article you posted to prove a point but you had not even read the article, so when your article was quoted in here you argued against the very article you posted to prove your point?)Meltdown99 said:
The ongoing tiff is being carried on by 1 person at this point...PJ_Soul said:Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both.
How can you be "LMFAO-baffled" and attack me for the conclusion of an article you yourself posted to make your argument? Take that as a hint that you should stay out of discussing, if you are unable to read beyond a clickbate:y headline.
But even with not caring about reading and, as I understand it being a fan of "falling in line" - get out of here with that dishonest BS, this is who started it "at this point":
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I'll takee this opportunity to refer everyone to page 85.......
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Thankfully that seems to be the case, Meltdown!Meltdown99 said:
The ongoing tiff is being carried on by 1 person at this point...PJ_Soul said:Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Yes. Page 85 is where you shine. Dragging in irrelevant stuff for a chance for a personal insult is classy and nice. Or..?mickeyrat said:I'll takee this opportunity to refer everyone to page 85.......
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New documentary coming about the guy who isn't mayour of South Bend, Indiana:
Beto O'Rourke is trying to break through a crowded field of 2020 Democratic campaign, less than one year after his failed Seante campaign in Texas. The new HBO documentary "Running With Beto" chornicles that campaign. David Modigliani, the director of the documentary, joins "Red and Blue" to discuss..
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Who cares about that campaign now..."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
So the first primary debate is 26 and 27 of June.
When do we know how they split up the people? The day of the first primary?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
If Bernie and Biden isn't on the same night, then it will be like ending a show with Alive>RITFW>YL"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Yes. I do understand that.jeffbr said:
It is simply an acknowledgement that Biden is a "safe" vote. The best candidate doesn't always get the nomination. The best candidate doesn't always win the election. Biden is a known quantity, who isn't necessarily a polarizing figure. Moderates make up a critical mass, so it only makes sense that someone like Biden would automatically assume the role of front-runner. And he polls well against Trump. My only care in 2020 is that a Dem beats Trump. So I'm perfectly happy that a Dem who polls well against Trump is currently the front-runner. Biden just polled 12 points higher than Trump in North Carolina.PJ_Soul said:That is just so sad that people already seem to think Biden is the one who might be the only one who can get this done. So, so sad.
But I also think that "safe" can backfire. Hillary was safe.
And if a Sanders/Warren/openly Gay Pete wins by 5 points instead of "back to same old" wins by 12, then that is a bigger swing and statement. And a few steps towards the US opens up for "positive progress" and not going back to an old white dude who supported helping W Bush impress daddy Bush Sr with a war.
In short:
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That's pretty obvious by the polls.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. This is Biden s to lose.Halifax2TheMax said:
Not even close.Spiritual_Chaos said:Biden will be this elections Jeb Bush.
Mark my words.
Which at the start of the GOP primaries most thought it was Jebs to lose.
Front runners and inevitable candidates have a history of flaming out.
Only time will tell, but my guess is Biden isn't going to fair to well in the debates, everyone is going to beat up on the guy in the lead. And Biden has a history of losing.
Folks, that was Senator Biden, not Vice President Biden. When trying to unseat an incumbent, folks, Executive Branch Pedigree counts more than anything else.
Second, folks, Biden is a moderate, which means he is best positioned to draw independent votes away from the incumbent.
Third, folks, Biden spent his younger years growing up in Scranton and that resonates best with the Rust Belt swing state voters that served as trumps 2016 base than the other candidates.
Folks, fourth on my list is demographics. Biden polls best among the incumbents base of demographic support willing to consider voting against trump.
These four points, folks, work perfectly for a 2020 type election and perhaps not as much in a 2016 type one. Bidens strengths are micro targeted specifically to take down a Trump incumbency.
The best evidence of this folks is the Trump Reelection Campaign is now setting up shop in new states that Hillary won, such as NV MM and NH. The Rs see Biden's strength in the many swing states trump won and are significantly concerned
If dems are willing to blow this opportunity on a potential absurd debate gaffe, folks, they deserve 4 more years of trump.0
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