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The Hyde Amendment allows funding in cases of rape, incest and health of the mother. So there's that.Spiritual_Chaos said:More Joe "back to the status quo and why not invade Iraq" Biden:
https://www.vox.com/2019/6/5/18653660/joe-biden-hyde-amendment-bernie-sanders-2020
Joe Biden says his views on abortion have evolved over time, but this week his campaign said he still supports a ban on government funding for abortion in most cases.
The Biden campaign told NBC News that the candidate supports the Hyde Amendment, the network reported on Wednesday. That’s consistent with his votes over the years. He voted several times in the Senate to ban federal funding for abortions, even in cases of rape or incest.
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regarded as untouchable by Democratic candidates. But more recently, thanks in part to grassroots activism arguing that abortion needs to be not just legal but affordable, candidates have begun calling for repeal.
Hillary Clinton did so in 2016 and a number of Democrats, including Pete Buttigieg and Sens. Gillibrand, Harris, Klobuchar, and Warren, have done so this year. Sen. Bernie Sanders criticized Biden’s position on Wednesday.
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I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I don't understand what your point is. We all know the healthcare system in the USA is garbage for people without a lot of money.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
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True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...0 -
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According to internal Trump polling, Biden has a commanding lead throughout much of the rust belt.Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...0 -
Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
The vast majority of Americans, 70 percent, now support Medicare-for-all, otherwise known as single-payer health care, according to a new Reuters survey. That includes 85 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of Republicans. Only 20 percent of Americans say they outright oppose the idea.“Medicare is a very popular program, so the idea of expanding it to everyone is popular as well,” Larry Levitt, senior vice president for health reform at the Kaiser Family Foundation, tells CNBC Make It. “The advantage of Medicare-for-all, which is much closer to how the rest of the world provides health care to their residents, is that you can achieve universal coverage at a lower cost.”
https://youtu.be/EcEWbzXF3Es
Sanders will change everyones mind. Sanity is coming. Sanity is coming. Sanity is coming to town.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Sanders will not change "everyone's" mind.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
The vast majority of Americans, 70 percent, now support Medicare-for-all, otherwise known as single-payer health care, according to a new Reuters survey. That includes 85 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of Republicans. Only 20 percent of Americans say they outright oppose the idea.“Medicare is a very popular program, so the idea of expanding it to everyone is popular as well,” Larry Levitt, senior vice president for health reform at the Kaiser Family Foundation, tells CNBC Make It. “The advantage of Medicare-for-all, which is much closer to how the rest of the world provides health care to their residents, is that you can achieve universal coverage at a lower cost.”
https://youtu.be/EcEWbzXF3Es
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They may or may not be bright. I think they are all just brainwashed, either way. But as someone already pointed out, I don't think Americans overwhelmingly support private healthcare.Meltdown99 said:
Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
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Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
The vast majority of Americans, 70 percent, now support Medicare-for-all, otherwise known as single-payer health care, according to a new Reuters survey. That includes 85 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of Republicans. Only 20 percent of Americans say they outright oppose the idea.“Medicare is a very popular program, so the idea of expanding it to everyone is popular as well,” Larry Levitt, senior vice president for health reform at the Kaiser Family Foundation, tells CNBC Make It. “The advantage of Medicare-for-all, which is much closer to how the rest of the world provides health care to their residents, is that you can achieve universal coverage at a lower cost.”
https://youtu.be/EcEWbzXF3Es
Sanders will change everyones mind. Sanity is coming. Sanity is coming. Sanity is coming to town.
This is the type of story that does well in June of a non election year, but if tried by Sanders during an election year labor to election day...
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I wish I lived in a country that could really support expanded Medicare.
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Oops. Did you skip the actual poll where support drops to 37% when told it would mean elimination of private insurance? One might say you were lying about it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
The vast majority of Americans, 70 percent, now support Medicare-for-all, otherwise known as single-payer health care, according to a new Reuters survey. That includes 85 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of Republicans. Only 20 percent of Americans say they outright oppose the idea.“Medicare is a very popular program, so the idea of expanding it to everyone is popular as well,” Larry Levitt, senior vice president for health reform at the Kaiser Family Foundation, tells CNBC Make It. “The advantage of Medicare-for-all, which is much closer to how the rest of the world provides health care to their residents, is that you can achieve universal coverage at a lower cost.”
https://youtu.be/EcEWbzXF3Es
Sanders will change everyones mind. Sanity is coming. Sanity is coming. Sanity is coming to town.
Favorable ratings drop to -21 when told it would eliminate their private insurance. When told it may lead to delays in coverage (which does not happen anywhere in the private world today, like it does in the VA) it drops to -44.
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I don't think I'm brainwashed and I think I'm kind of bright. Have either of you ever had private insurance? I can tell you that I can get an MRI in a week. A guy at work torqued his knee and is getting surgery by an excellent ortho next week, a mere week after he injured himself.PJ_Soul said:
They may or may not be bright. I think they are all just brainwashed, either way. But as someone already pointed out, I don't think Americans overwhelmingly support private healthcare.Meltdown99 said:
Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...0 -
Only private insurance I have ever had with regard to health was benefit coverage or travel health insurance. Yes, I agree you do get your services delivered in an excellent timely fashion. My Uncle who lived in the US (has since passed) needed triple by-pass...got his done in less than a week after being told he needed surgery...could have been sooner, but just in case, he wanted one last weekend to enjoy with his family, just in case...mrussel1 said:
I don't think I'm brainwashed and I think I'm kind of bright. Have either of you ever had private insurance? I can tell you that I can get an MRI in a week. A guy at work torqued his knee and is getting surgery by an excellent ortho next week, a mere week after he injured himself.PJ_Soul said:
They may or may not be bright. I think they are all just brainwashed, either way. But as someone already pointed out, I don't think Americans overwhelmingly support private healthcare.Meltdown99 said:
Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
The government can still provide universal health while keeping the private system...other countries have.
I would support private insurance along with our public model. It's no secret that people with means seek treatment in the US. We even had a premier (Dany Williams, NFDL) get heart surgery in Florida...what does that say?Post edited by Meltdown99 onGive Peas A Chance…0 -
This is the plan that Biden and others have floated. Keep Obamacare, which targeted uninsured, and allow people with access to private to opt out and buy into public. It's a good idea and one that could allow a transition to Medicare for all, if it appears to be working.Meltdown99 said:
Only private insurance I have ever had with regard to health was benefit coverage or travel health insurance. Yes, I agree you do get your services delivered in am an excellent timely fashion. My Uncle who lived in the UD (has since passed) needed triple by-pass...got his done in less than an after being told he needed one week...could have been sooner, but just in case, he wanted one last weekend to enjoy with his family, just in case...mrussel1 said:
I don't think I'm brainwashed and I think I'm kind of bright. Have either of you ever had private insurance? I can tell you that I can get an MRI in a week. A guy at work torqued his knee and is getting surgery by an excellent ortho next week, a mere week after he injured himself.PJ_Soul said:
They may or may not be bright. I think they are all just brainwashed, either way. But as someone already pointed out, I don't think Americans overwhelmingly support private healthcare.Meltdown99 said:
Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
The government can still provide universal health while keeping the private system...other countries have.0 -
PJ_Soul said:
They may or may not be bright. I think they are all just brainwashed, either way. But as someone already pointed out, I don't think Americans overwhelmingly support private healthcare.Meltdown99 said:
Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
Enough in the middle support private insurance to take enough votes away from the dems. They need every vote from moderates they cab possibly get because of this
The overwhelming majority of Rs and libertarians hate dems and would never vote for one. They are bred by family and fox to never trust a dem. I spend 8 hours a day sitting next to a trumpie and absolutely hate it.
Bernie and Liz need to understand good policy requires taking one step at a time. Dont make trumps life easier in the election. .Trying to socialize healthcare will get us 4 more years of that blonde a$$hole.
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Err. we can get an MRI in a week too, if we want to pay for it. It's not like we don't have the option. My own mom just got a PET scan within 5 days last month because she didn't want to wait. She had the money so great. The thing is, people who don't have money still get a scan too, even if they have to wait. Also, if the scans are needed for lifesaving or dire diagnostics/treatment, then we get them in a week for free.mrussel1 said:
I don't think I'm brainwashed and I think I'm kind of bright. Have either of you ever had private insurance? I can tell you that I can get an MRI in a week. A guy at work torqued his knee and is getting surgery by an excellent ortho next week, a mere week after he injured himself.PJ_Soul said:
They may or may not be bright. I think they are all just brainwashed, either way. But as someone already pointed out, I don't think Americans overwhelmingly support private healthcare.Meltdown99 said:
Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
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It's a start. But in Canada Universal health care needs to be expanded to include pharma, dental and vision...we had vision coverage...the liberals de-listed the service. And the liberals also imposed a health tax, that was designed to lower wait times at ER's...when they came to power, the wait time was 4-6 at my local ER...the winter before the election, wait times ballooned to 10-12 hours and sometimes longer.mrussel1 said:
This is the plan that Biden and others have floated. Keep Obamacare, which targeted uninsured, and allow people with access to private to opt out and buy into public. It's a good idea and one that could allow a transition to Medicare for all, if it appears to be working.Meltdown99 said:
Only private insurance I have ever had with regard to health was benefit coverage or travel health insurance. Yes, I agree you do get your services delivered in am an excellent timely fashion. My Uncle who lived in the UD (has since passed) needed triple by-pass...got his done in less than an after being told he needed one week...could have been sooner, but just in case, he wanted one last weekend to enjoy with his family, just in case...mrussel1 said:
I don't think I'm brainwashed and I think I'm kind of bright. Have either of you ever had private insurance? I can tell you that I can get an MRI in a week. A guy at work torqued his knee and is getting surgery by an excellent ortho next week, a mere week after he injured himself.PJ_Soul said:
They may or may not be bright. I think they are all just brainwashed, either way. But as someone already pointed out, I don't think Americans overwhelmingly support private healthcare.Meltdown99 said:
Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...mrussel1 said:
And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance, the reply is overwhelmingly no. So while I may agree with you, it's not happening soon.Meltdown99 said:
Fund all health care or none at all...how's that? I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.mrussel1 said:
True. But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level, a choice. Medicaid does cover birth control. I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes. If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion, that will create yet another financial burden on the government. But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.Meltdown99 said:
I'm sure it is. But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.PJ_Soul said:
The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.Meltdown99 said:If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...
The government can still provide universal health while keeping the private system...other countries have.Give Peas A Chance…0
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