Being a native Californian (others living in the south west, I appreciate the Hispanic heritage that is a big part of this part of the country (Texas etc. could say the same). I can understand why a governor or representative from these states would want to know a little Spanish. But why is this such a big deal for a presidential candidate? If it's about immigration, then why don't they also show off their prowess in Arabic and some of the African languages, etc.
Meanwhile, they spend 7 minutes (ONLY) talking about global warming. Politics is becoming more and more a crock of shit in this country. Geee- suss!
In Canada about 20% of the population (almost all of them in one province) speak French. It is literally unheard of for a PM not to be fluent in both English and French, and they literally always switch between French and English for official announcements and speeches, and there is always a french language debate as well. This is not simply because French is one of our two official languages (the USA doesn't have an official language). It is simply out of respect for the fact that 20% of the population speaks French. 18% of Americans speak Spanish (spread out across several states), which easily makes it the second most spoken language in America (only about 0.3% speak Arabic). Doesn't it make sense that the presidential hopefuls all show a similar sign of respect for all those people? I think any respectable POTUS nominee should be fluent in Spanish, and that they really do need to do parts of all the debates in Spanish, or have a Spanish-only debate. If English were actually the official language of the country, I might not say that, although it certainly would still be appropriate. But English isn't the official language. So the fact that these people all made an effort to speak Spanish is quite meaningful IMO - it's about inclusion. That doesn't mean climate change isn't important. Of course it is. And yes, more time should have been spent on it. But it is the moderator who really could have changed that...
But then why just Spanish? Why not French, since a big portion of the center was bought off cheap from the French via the Louisiana Purchase. And since this country's railroads were built by the Chinese, so we need to add Cantonese and Mandarin as well. And let's not forget that much of the country was built by the sweat of African slaves. How many languages is that?
Or here's an idea- how about we expect the president to be well spoken in English again, the way Obama was. I would be happy with that.
I already said why (that was my point in saying that only 0.3% of Americans speak Arabic, for example). Because of the very large portion of the population that speaks it. It is the second most common language spoken in America by far. That warrants the heavier use of Spanish by the government IMO.
True, it's about 11%. Not a huge percentage. I'd rather the president spend his or her time learning more about pressing issues like... (yeah, that's right).
13% of eligible voters in 2020 are Latinos - highest ethnic or racial minority. 40 million Latinos live in the US.
The debate was on NBC, MSNBC and Telemundo simultaneously so they were reaching out to Spanish audience watching on Telemundo.
Or pandering, whatever it was, Telemundo had a less than 2 second delay in translation and when the candidates spoke in Spanish, the translators switched to English. They had a team of translators for each candidate and moderators and studied each of the candidates speaking styles, issue focus, etc.
Pretty impressive.
I love ya Brain, but no one is ignoring global warming. Or at least most of the Democratic party, candidates, Independents, etc are tuned into it - it is in the forefront of people's minds and top on their list of issues along with healthcare, etc.
People care. It's not the Democrats that are ignoring what's going on and it's necessary for them to speak about many issues in a Presidential debate. Your passion is on point. Don't let it turn into negativity though, it is a passion for positivity.
This is a good call, Nancy. I will admit I am struggling lately with not being so negative about environmental issues. Everyday that I take my short drive to work, I witness large amounts of destruction to my local environment taking place under the jaws of bulldozers as developers are having their way with nature around here. Mother Nature- raped again. And on the rare occasion I go down to Sacramento, about 45 minute from here, I see even more, much larger, massive even disruption to nature. Mother Nature is being gang raped in El Dorado Hills and Folsom.
All my life, I've tried to move away from the damage being done to nature and everywhere I go, it's the same thing. I honestly don't know how to stymie the depression that comes from this. I'm reading a book that I hope will help, Finding Abbey by Sean Prentiss and then will read Living Through the End of Nature by Paul Wapner. I hope I can find some clue through these pages as to how to not lose all hope. I don't know how people find hope these days. There must be a way. Good drugs, maybe, lol.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Let's be clear about something here on student loan debt. It is on a path that goes beyond this dumb label of just stamping people with a label of "oh, you knew what you were getting into." Stop with that shit right now. I paid my loans. Do I want future generations to continue on the trajectory it's currently on? Absolutely not. "Because I did it means everyone else should do it" is terrible logic. There is a problem. It needs to be fixed as it's not sustainable. But like everything in our world - people like to pretend something isn't their problem when they're not individually attached to the issue (usually a beautifully dystopic Libertarian viewpoint).
First, they need to get rid of subsidized loans - that's #1: subsidies only drive up costs. #2 - the cost of college and higher education is no where even fucking close to what it was 20, 30, 40 years ago. Hell, it's not even close to what it was 10 years ago. College is not supposed to be only an accessible benefit to the wealthy. #3 the benefit to the economy as a whole by putting more money in the wallets of the largest generation since the fucking garbage Boomers would outweigh any costs to taxpayers.
#4 - while we're on the topic of what comes out of my wallet for taxes that I don't want to pay for - I could name an endless list of shit that I'd want my money back from right now instead of helping out higher education. Namely, we all bitch about this college plan shit (even though Warren's plan taxes the ultra wealthy of the wealthies to fund this) when it's a fucking drop in the ocean to how much of our actual dollars are taken out of our actual wallets for some garbage war going on somewhere that in no way benefits us whatsoever.
Do I think higher education should be free? Not at all, but the access and opportunity should be fair and equal. And it is not right now.
Warren is by far the most qualified candidate both in experience and, more importantly, detail of policy. She should have been given the keys to the CFPB, as she was the one who started it. Where Obama completely dropped the ball was by not dropping the hammer on large bank and investment firm execs ten years ago, and if Warren was actually heading the CFPB this would have happened.
Student loans and subsidies are not not the problem. It's the cost curve of education outpacing inflation is the problem. I also don't understand how one argues that subsidies drive up cost, unless you're arguing that it allows too many people to go to college, thereby driving up the cost.
Last, no one has articulated how this loan forgiveness isn't a regressive tax. In fact the Post had a long editorial today calling it a rich kid bailout. I'll post it later, but it is.
But WHY are college costs increasing by about 2x the inflation rate? Because more people can pay for tuition because of widely available loans.
So why are loans widely available? Because they are guaranteed.
That is the subsidy driving up demand and limiting supply and causing tuition to increase roughly double the inflation rate.
If Warren or Sanders think they are going to win the presidency with another giveaway, we are looking at 4 more years. Address the problem, the hidden subsidy of guarantees.
I don't know how you run on a platform if reducing access to universities. That's not a winner. I also think there's more to it than just subsidies. State appointed funding has been reduced in many cases and some make the case that the reduced tuition to underprivileged has passed on higher costs to full tuition students. Then there's the arguments about amenities, including targeted facilities for athletes. My guess is it's some combination of all. Subsidies and loan guarantees are a big part I'm sure.
I agree it's a rock and hard place. If Warren is the nom and she starts promising free stuff like tuition and debt forgiveness, its 4 more years.
A smarter tactic would be to offer lower cost tuition for 2 year colleges and lower interest rates and extended terms. Even throw in some volunteering to pay down loans.
But free stuff? They'll get tagged socialist and its hello Blondie.
Can people stop with the "free stuff" line. That's a GOP false narrative and talking point that progressives shouldn't fall for.
Nothings free, the burden is just lifted off the student or patient and carried by the rest of the populace through higher taxes. Specifically from the highest of earners.
Nobody with two brain cells to scrape together in Canada thinks our single payer health care system is free. We all pay for it together, and were happy to do it.
Delaney has expressed concern that the slow rate of pay by the government would doom many hospitals. I think the natural outcome would be federalized hospitals. We have those in the states today and it's called the VA. The quality of care is abysmal.
Let's be clear about something here on student loan debt. It is on a path that goes beyond this dumb label of just stamping people with a label of "oh, you knew what you were getting into." Stop with that shit right now. I paid my loans. Do I want future generations to continue on the trajectory it's currently on? Absolutely not. "Because I did it means everyone else should do it" is terrible logic. There is a problem. It needs to be fixed as it's not sustainable. But like everything in our world - people like to pretend something isn't their problem when they're not individually attached to the issue (usually a beautifully dystopic Libertarian viewpoint).
First, they need to get rid of subsidized loans - that's #1: subsidies only drive up costs. #2 - the cost of college and higher education is no where even fucking close to what it was 20, 30, 40 years ago. Hell, it's not even close to what it was 10 years ago. College is not supposed to be only an accessible benefit to the wealthy. #3 the benefit to the economy as a whole by putting more money in the wallets of the largest generation since the fucking garbage Boomers would outweigh any costs to taxpayers.
#4 - while we're on the topic of what comes out of my wallet for taxes that I don't want to pay for - I could name an endless list of shit that I'd want my money back from right now instead of helping out higher education. Namely, we all bitch about this college plan shit (even though Warren's plan taxes the ultra wealthy of the wealthies to fund this) when it's a fucking drop in the ocean to how much of our actual dollars are taken out of our actual wallets for some garbage war going on somewhere that in no way benefits us whatsoever.
Do I think higher education should be free? Not at all, but the access and opportunity should be fair and equal. And it is not right now.
Warren is by far the most qualified candidate both in experience and, more importantly, detail of policy. She should have been given the keys to the CFPB, as she was the one who started it. Where Obama completely dropped the ball was by not dropping the hammer on large bank and investment firm execs ten years ago, and if Warren was actually heading the CFPB this would have happened.
Student loans and subsidies are not not the problem. It's the cost curve of education outpacing inflation is the problem. I also don't understand how one argues that subsidies drive up cost, unless you're arguing that it allows too many people to go to college, thereby driving up the cost.
Last, no one has articulated how this loan forgiveness isn't a regressive tax. In fact the Post had a long editorial today calling it a rich kid bailout. I'll post it later, but it is.
But WHY are college costs increasing by about 2x the inflation rate? Because more people can pay for tuition because of widely available loans.
So why are loans widely available? Because they are guaranteed.
That is the subsidy driving up demand and limiting supply and causing tuition to increase roughly double the inflation rate.
If Warren or Sanders think they are going to win the presidency with another giveaway, we are looking at 4 more years. Address the problem, the hidden subsidy of guarantees.
I don't know how you run on a platform if reducing access to universities. That's not a winner. I also think there's more to it than just subsidies. State appointed funding has been reduced in many cases and some make the case that the reduced tuition to underprivileged has passed on higher costs to full tuition students. Then there's the arguments about amenities, including targeted facilities for athletes. My guess is it's some combination of all. Subsidies and loan guarantees are a big part I'm sure.
I agree it's a rock and hard place. If Warren is the nom and she starts promising free stuff like tuition and debt forgiveness, its 4 more years.
A smarter tactic would be to offer lower cost tuition for 2 year colleges and lower interest rates and extended terms. Even throw in some volunteering to pay down loans.
But free stuff? They'll get tagged socialist and its hello Blondie.
Yep. Education is a winning issue for Democrats but they have the innate ability to make it a loser with over steering. Obama wanted 2 years of community college and I think that's a winner. Of course the GOP house had bo interest. They were super busy with Benghazi.
Delaney has expressed concern that the slow rate of pay by the government would doom many hospitals. I think the natural outcome would be federalized hospitals. We have those in the states today and it's called the VA. The quality of care is abysmal.
So what you're saying is, the US as a country is to inept to make it work compared to other countries?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Being a native Californian (others living in the south west, I appreciate the Hispanic heritage that is a big part of this part of the country (Texas etc. could say the same). I can understand why a governor or representative from these states would want to know a little Spanish. But why is this such a big deal for a presidential candidate? If it's about immigration, then why don't they also show off their prowess in Arabic and some of the African languages, etc.
Meanwhile, they spend 7 minutes (ONLY) talking about global warming. Politics is becoming more and more a crock of shit in this country. Geee- suss!
In Canada about 20% of the population (almost all of them in one province) speak French. It is literally unheard of for a PM not to be fluent in both English and French, and they literally always switch between French and English for official announcements and speeches, and there is always a french language debate as well. This is not simply because French is one of our two official languages (the USA doesn't have an official language). It is simply out of respect for the fact that 20% of the population speaks French. 18% of Americans speak Spanish (spread out across several states), which easily makes it the second most spoken language in America (only about 0.3% speak Arabic). Doesn't it make sense that the presidential hopefuls all show a similar sign of respect for all those people? I think any respectable POTUS nominee should be fluent in Spanish, and that they really do need to do parts of all the debates in Spanish, or have a Spanish-only debate. If English were actually the official language of the country, I might not say that, although it certainly would still be appropriate. But English isn't the official language. So the fact that these people all made an effort to speak Spanish is quite meaningful IMO - it's about inclusion. That doesn't mean climate change isn't important. Of course it is. And yes, more time should have been spent on it. But it is the moderator who really could have changed that...
But then why just Spanish? Why not French, since a big portion of the center was bought off cheap from the French via the Louisiana Purchase. And since this country's railroads were built by the Chinese, so we need to add Cantonese and Mandarin as well. And let's not forget that much of the country was built by the sweat of African slaves. How many languages is that?
Or here's an idea- how about we expect the president to be well spoken in English again, the way Obama was. I would be happy with that.
I already said why (that was my point in saying that only 0.3% of Americans speak Arabic, for example). Because of the very large portion of the population that speaks it. It is the second most common language spoken in America by far. That warrants the heavier use of Spanish by the government IMO.
True, it's about 11%. Not a huge percentage. I'd rather the president spend his or her time learning more about pressing issues like... (yeah, that's right).
13% of eligible voters in 2020 are Latinos - highest ethnic or racial minority. 40 million Latinos live in the US.
The debate was on NBC, MSNBC and Telemundo simultaneously so they were reaching out to Spanish audience watching on Telemundo.
Or pandering, whatever it was, Telemundo had a less than 2 second delay in translation and when the candidates spoke in Spanish, the translators switched to English. They had a team of translators for each candidate and moderators and studied each of the candidates speaking styles, issue focus, etc.
Pretty impressive.
I love ya Brain, but no one is ignoring global warming. Or at least most of the Democratic party, candidates, Independents, etc are tuned into it - it is in the forefront of people's minds and top on their list of issues along with healthcare, etc.
People care. It's not the Democrats that are ignoring what's going on and it's necessary for them to speak about many issues in a Presidential debate. Your passion is on point. Don't let it turn into negativity though, it is a passion for positivity.
This is a good call, Nancy. I will admit I am struggling lately with not being so negative about environmental issues. Everyday that I take my short drive to work, I witness large amounts of destruction to my local environment taking place under the jaws of bulldozers as developers are having their way with nature around here. Mother Nature- raped again. And on the rare occasion I go down to Sacramento, about 45 minute from here, I see even more, much larger, massive even disruption to nature. Mother Nature is being gang raped in El Dorado Hills and Folsom.
All my life, I've tried to move away from the damage being done to nature and everywhere I go, it's the same thing. I honestly don't know how to stymie the depression that comes from this. I'm reading a book that I hope will help, Finding Abbey by Sean Prentiss and then will read Living Through the End of Nature by Paul Wapner. I hope I can find some clue through these pages as to how to not lose all hope. I don't know how people find hope these days. There must be a way. Good drugs, maybe, lol.
Listen to Skating Away (on the Thin Ice of the New Day) by Jethro Tull. A beautiful song about the planet turning to shit. And he saw this back in 1974 (or earlier, song was written before War Child was released. Watch him perform Thick as a Brick - it is an amazing parody and he is such a joyful minstrel all while knowing that the Earth is going to shit.
I live in an area that has seen over development over the past 30 years and it is to the point that we have 10 story condos with pools on the roof blocking out the sun at times of the day to those of us in 2 family modest homes who've been here since there was grass visible from the sidewalk. We live on top of each other. My view of NYC used to be from Harlem to past the Empire State Building. Now I only have a good view of Riverside Cathedral and Grant's Tomb and some of the Hudson River by Midtown between two condos (humongous condos).
If a blade of grass is spotted, there are realtors on it. Our house is the last one with a yard on my block and a large Magnolia tree (it is a small yard but enough to grow plants and veggies and have a deck. I hate the lack of personal space and overcrowding - there aren't enough parking spaces on the street for cars (which sucks when it snows and we have to find a non-county road to park on). We are inundated with travellers to Manhattan. They are blasting into the Palisades now (which is against the law, but who cares) to build condos. The same Palisades that gave Palisade Amusement Park its name (that was in my 1 square mile town). I have some vivid memories of going there but not a lot.
My point is, I understand your longing for the stop to overdevelopment. It has gone way too far here but we're a quick trip into the City so it will continue.
I accept it. I am more concerned with the undoing of EPA requirements and the poisoning of our water and land and air (and children).
Tonight might be a good night to take the edge off a bit. Have one for me.
It's amazing to me that nobody gives a s*** about what John Delaney had to say about Healthcare. He is correct that medicare for all won't work.
Why not?
Because this country has 329 million people in it. And that doesn't count all the undocumented. That's why not.
Still no evidence for your revised answer.
The “we’re too big and too diverse to get anything right” narrative is starting to wear thin.
The US has a more than sufficient tax base to fund a proper health care system. You’re not Bangladesh, for FSM’s sake. You already spend far more on a percentage of your GDP than other countries with far worse outcomes. It just needs to be a widely accepted priority and goal, and it’s not. That’s why it won’t work - not because it can’t, but because the US won’t make it happen.
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Let's be clear about something here on student loan debt. It is on a path that goes beyond this dumb label of just stamping people with a label of "oh, you knew what you were getting into." Stop with that shit right now. I paid my loans. Do I want future generations to continue on the trajectory it's currently on? Absolutely not. "Because I did it means everyone else should do it" is terrible logic. There is a problem. It needs to be fixed as it's not sustainable. But like everything in our world - people like to pretend something isn't their problem when they're not individually attached to the issue (usually a beautifully dystopic Libertarian viewpoint).
First, they need to get rid of subsidized loans - that's #1: subsidies only drive up costs. #2 - the cost of college and higher education is no where even fucking close to what it was 20, 30, 40 years ago. Hell, it's not even close to what it was 10 years ago. College is not supposed to be only an accessible benefit to the wealthy. #3 the benefit to the economy as a whole by putting more money in the wallets of the largest generation since the fucking garbage Boomers would outweigh any costs to taxpayers.
#4 - while we're on the topic of what comes out of my wallet for taxes that I don't want to pay for - I could name an endless list of shit that I'd want my money back from right now instead of helping out higher education. Namely, we all bitch about this college plan shit (even though Warren's plan taxes the ultra wealthy of the wealthies to fund this) when it's a fucking drop in the ocean to how much of our actual dollars are taken out of our actual wallets for some garbage war going on somewhere that in no way benefits us whatsoever.
Do I think higher education should be free? Not at all, but the access and opportunity should be fair and equal. And it is not right now.
Warren is by far the most qualified candidate both in experience and, more importantly, detail of policy. She should have been given the keys to the CFPB, as she was the one who started it. Where Obama completely dropped the ball was by not dropping the hammer on large bank and investment firm execs ten years ago, and if Warren was actually heading the CFPB this would have happened.
Student loans and subsidies are not not the problem. It's the cost curve of education outpacing inflation is the problem. I also don't understand how one argues that subsidies drive up cost, unless you're arguing that it allows too many people to go to college, thereby driving up the cost.
Last, no one has articulated how this loan forgiveness isn't a regressive tax. In fact the Post had a long editorial today calling it a rich kid bailout. I'll post it later, but it is.
But WHY are college costs increasing by about 2x the inflation rate? Because more people can pay for tuition because of widely available loans.
So why are loans widely available? Because they are guaranteed.
That is the subsidy driving up demand and limiting supply and causing tuition to increase roughly double the inflation rate.
If Warren or Sanders think they are going to win the presidency with another giveaway, we are looking at 4 more years. Address the problem, the hidden subsidy of guarantees.
I don't know how you run on a platform if reducing access to universities. That's not a winner. I also think there's more to it than just subsidies. State appointed funding has been reduced in many cases and some make the case that the reduced tuition to underprivileged has passed on higher costs to full tuition students. Then there's the arguments about amenities, including targeted facilities for athletes. My guess is it's some combination of all. Subsidies and loan guarantees are a big part I'm sure.
I agree it's a rock and hard place. If Warren is the nom and she starts promising free stuff like tuition and debt forgiveness, its 4 more years.
A smarter tactic would be to offer lower cost tuition for 2 year colleges and lower interest rates and extended terms. Even throw in some volunteering to pay down loans.
But free stuff? They'll get tagged socialist and its hello Blondie.
Can people stop with the "free stuff" line. That's a GOP false narrative and talking point that progressives shouldn't fall for.
Nothings free, the burden is just lifted off the student or patient and carried by the rest of the populace through higher taxes. Specifically from the highest of earners.
Nobody with two brain cells to scrape together in Canada thinks our single payer health care system is free. We all pay for it together, and were happy to do it.
Healthcare and tertiary education shouldn't be discussed with the same arguments. One is a human right, the other is not even close.
1st Commercial Break: My favorites so far are Williamson Harris Buddha
Biden was doing good , struggled with last question
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I think the NY Senator is doing well They pretty much cater to the favorites so far.
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I thought we were going to get to see debates. It looks more like a game show with a lot of yelling and cheering.
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I think the NY Senator is doing well They pretty much cater to the favorites so far.
I agree. The women and Buddha are dominating. This is a decent debate so far.
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Harris & Buttplug are killing it.
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If people had never heard of these people before there is no way they would pick the old guys.
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If people had never heard of these people before there is no way they would pick the old guys.
I hadn't heard of Andrew Yang. I like what he has said so far.
Buttegieg speaks well but looks bad- sweat that looks like a runny nose, 5 o'clock shadow. I don't care about petty stuff like this- but it does lose votes (Nixon lost to Kennedy for that very reason.). He needs some coaching that way.
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After watching a lot of the 1st one, I made a better choice tonight. Met some friend in from out of town for dinner and drinks. So much better
Haha, not a bad choice. I made it through much of it but got tired of all the yelling, silly crowd cheering section and hearing the same thing over and over.
Time to spin some records.
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Caught the end. Got to get yelled at by the grumpy old socialist and then see Biden (who looks really old all of a sudden). I think the party needs to get to 10 or less soon.
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I was talking with my wife (who got home to late to watch) about the debates. She dislikes Trump as much as anyone I know and said, "Trump has a lot of charisma. His followers are like a cult. The democrats need to find someone who can inspire and pull in enough votes to get Trump out of there."
I agree. And that leaves me feeling a bit nervous. I don't see anyone (yet) with the charisma and ability to present well and speak well the way Obama does. What I saw tonight were:
-Old men shaking fingers.
-Women yelling (one nearly screeching).
-Young men struggling and sweating.
-More focus on immigration than environment (ruin the planet and everyone goes away).
-Feeble attempts at nods to LGBTQ issues.
-All of the above trying to out yell each other.
Nothing inspiring there.
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Caught the end. Got to get yelled at by the grumpy old socialist and then see Biden (who looks really old all of a sudden). I think the party needs to get to 10 or less soon.
Agree on Biden looking old. He sounds old too. It’s like he’s lost some since he was vp.
I was talking with my wife (who got home to late to watch) about the debates. She dislikes Trump as much as anyone I know and said, "Trump has a lot of charisma. His followers are like a cult. The democrats need to find someone who can inspire and pull in enough votes to get Trump out of there."
I agree. And that leaves me feeling a bit nervous. I don't see anyone (yet) with the charisma and ability to present well and speak well the way Obama does. What I saw tonight were:
-Old men shaking fingers.
-Women yelling (one nearly screeching).
-Young men struggling and sweating.
-More focus on immigration than environment (ruin the planet and everyone goes away).
-Feeble attempts at nods to LGBTQ issues.
-All of the above trying to out yell each other.
Nothing inspiring there.
I had that exact same feeling tonight. I think it’s referred to as “cult of personality” IDK I do think it was a decent debate though, Harris did a great job.
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What is the threshold for when it doesn't work? How many millions?
Nothings free, the burden is just lifted off the student or patient and carried by the rest of the populace through higher taxes. Specifically from the highest of earners.
Nobody with two brain cells to scrape together in Canada thinks our single payer health care system is free. We all pay for it together, and were happy to do it.
I live in an area that has seen over development over the past 30 years and it is to the point that we have 10 story condos with pools on the roof blocking out the sun at times of the day to those of us in 2 family modest homes who've been here since there was grass visible from the sidewalk. We live on top of each other. My view of NYC used to be from Harlem to past the Empire State Building. Now I only have a good view of Riverside Cathedral and Grant's Tomb and some of the Hudson River by Midtown between two condos (humongous condos).
If a blade of grass is spotted, there are realtors on it. Our house is the last one with a yard on my block and a large Magnolia tree (it is a small yard but enough to grow plants and veggies and have a deck. I hate the lack of personal space and overcrowding - there aren't enough parking spaces on the street for cars (which sucks when it snows and we have to find a non-county road to park on). We are inundated with travellers to Manhattan. They are blasting into the Palisades now (which is against the law, but who cares) to build condos. The same Palisades that gave Palisade Amusement Park its name (that was in my 1 square mile town). I have some vivid memories of going there but not a lot.
My point is, I understand your longing for the stop to overdevelopment. It has gone way too far here but we're a quick trip into the City so it will continue.
I accept it. I am more concerned with the undoing of EPA requirements and the poisoning of our water and land and air (and children).
Tonight might be a good night to take the edge off a bit.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/03/21/john-hickenlooper-took-mom-see-adult-movie-deep-throat/3231629002/
The “we’re too big and too diverse to get anything right” narrative is starting to wear thin.
The US has a more than sufficient tax base to fund a proper health care system. You’re not Bangladesh, for FSM’s sake. You already spend far more on a percentage of your GDP than other countries with far worse outcomes. It just needs to be a widely accepted priority and goal, and it’s not. That’s why it won’t work - not because it can’t, but because the US won’t make it happen.
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Biden was doing good , struggled with last question
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They pretty much cater to the favorites so far.
The women and Buddha are dominating.
This is a decent debate so far.
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Then everyone else. Kamala TKO’d Biden
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I do think it was a decent debate though, Harris did a great job.
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