Bernie Sanders 2020

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,558
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.
    I honestly can't think of any reason why anyone would vote for Trump, Sanders or no Sanders.

    Well, let me think about this.  I'll ask myself, "Generally speaking, what kind of people would vote for Bernie Sanders and who do I know who would vote for him?"

    OK, got it.

    And now I'll ask myself, "Generally speaking, what kind of people voted for Trump and who do I know who did?"

    OK, got it. 

    Hold on... almost there..

    OK, yeah, I'm fine with Sanders running against Trump.  He he gets the Dem nod, absolutely, I will vote for him.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.
    I honestly can't think of any reason why anyone would vote for Trump, Sanders or no Sanders.

    Well, let me think about this.  I'll ask myself, "Generally speaking, what kind of people would vote for Bernie Sanders and who do I know who would vote for him?"

    OK, got it.

    And now I'll ask myself, "Generally speaking, what kind of people voted for Trump and who do I know who did?"

    OK, got it. 

    Hold on... almost there..

    OK, yeah, I'm fine with Sanders running against Trump.  He he gets the Dem nod, absolutely, I will vote for him.
    It wasn’t just about voting for trump though. It was about not voting for the democrats. And then heck, he created a voting block in the Democratic Party that seems unwilling to compromise (like we need more of that) and they didn’t vote for their own party.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,558
    edited February 2019
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.
    You know that, that "left turn" you are talking about are what makes most western democracies better countries for its citizens... right? 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/23/2020-dem-candidates-se-cupp-monologue-unfiltered-vpx.cnn

    This is a good take.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Icincybearcat said:
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/23/2020-dem-candidates-se-cupp-monologue-unfiltered-vpx.cnn

    This is a good take.
    That was pretty good.  You would think Warren would want to see reparations paid to her kinfolk in the first nations community before any other reparations are paid.  How quickly she has forgotten her roots...
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    Looking forward to his CNN Townhall tonight.

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,558
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 
    The funniest part of that meme, it's showing 2 guys who are very successful capitalist...lol
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 



    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Meltdown99 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 
    The funniest part of that meme, it's showing 2 guys who are very successful capitalist...lol
    Lol, well played
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,558
    edited February 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 
    The funniest part of that meme, it's showing 2 guys who are very successful capitalist...lol
    Aren't they also in some feud and on a non-speaking basis with each other?

    I guess that is also quite telling of this capitalistic success. 

    #VivaTheScandinavianModel
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 
    The funniest part of that meme, it's showing 2 guys who are very successful capitalist...lol
    Aren't they also in some feud and on a non-speaking basis with each other?

    I guess that is also quite telling of this capitalistic success. 

    #VivaTheScandinavianModel
    No arguments in Scandinavia!!!
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,558
    edited February 2019
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 
    The funniest part of that meme, it's showing 2 guys who are very successful capitalist...lol
    Aren't they also in some feud and on a non-speaking basis with each other?

    I guess that is also quite telling of this capitalistic success. 

    #VivaTheScandinavianModel
    No arguments in Scandinavia!!!
    I mean, the argument about Agnetha VS Anni-Frid has always been there.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 
    The funniest part of that meme, it's showing 2 guys who are very successful capitalist...lol
    Aren't they also in some feud and on a non-speaking basis with each other?

    I guess that is also quite telling of this capitalistic success. 

    #VivaTheScandinavianModel
    What do people arguing and not speaking have to do with capitalism?  Do people not fight in socialist Sweden?
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,558
    Meltdown99 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
    What had Bernies left leaning politics to do with anything in that election?
    Just my opinion. Moved the party left and gave some republicans who hated trump reason to vote against Dems. And independents. 

    It certsinly had me not wanting to vote for the Dems.

    Oh goodie a meme. Always good for discussion. 
    The funniest part of that meme, it's showing 2 guys who are very successful capitalist...lol
    Aren't they also in some feud and on a non-speaking basis with each other?

    I guess that is also quite telling of this capitalistic success. 

    #VivaTheScandinavianModel
    What do people arguing and not speaking have to do with capitalism?  Do people not fight in socialist Sweden?
    See the post above yours for the answer.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,558
    edited February 2019
    And Sweden is not socialist. The word your are looking for, compared to the US, is "sound".

    hehe.


    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2016/01/26/democrat-bernie-sanders-scandinavia-socialism

    i found this interesting. 
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