Bernie Sanders 2020

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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    cincybearcat said:
    OnWis97 said:
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    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    ^^^ LOL.  "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!"  haha!

    Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me.  The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around.  But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump? 

    It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie.  He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
    If he were to become POTUS how would the Chinese and the Russians know when he is truly pissed off.  He is always loud and sounds so angry...lol


    WELL MELTDOWN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY ANSWER THAT ONE!!!  :lol:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    thanks Bernie, for those 4 more of years of Trump nobody wanted. 
    From what I've read, a bigger reason for Trump being elected was because of low traditional democrat voter turn out.  Simply put, too many people stayed home because they thought HRC had it in the bag.  Besides, I think Bernie would have won instead of Trump.
    I think that underestimates the number of people, on both sides, who just flat out didn't like her. Some low voter turnout can be accounted for by the fact many thought she had it in the bag, but many just didn't want to vote for either candidate so they just didn't show up. Also, one of the biggest margins for Trump was on-the-fence or swing voters. 
    I tend to agree.  I don't know that they stayed home because it was in the bag or they just thought both candidates were so awful they sat it out.  The 25 years of hatred for her made me nervous the entire time.  She was hated the day Bill became a household name.  It was unfair.  Some of the hate when she started to get into public life was, but by then it had snowballed and by 2016, it was an avalanche.  Yeah, Russia got involved.  Yeah, she and her campaign screwed up by not giving the appropriate attention to a few states, but I think the 25 years of hate was really the most important part of this election.  I think Biden, just like GHWB would have been able to win handly by virtue of being VP to a fairly well-liked president (Not nearly as beloved as Reagan, but Obama's coattails would have put Joe past a dimwit like Trump pretty easily).  I'm starting to think even Bernie would have won. He wouldn't have beaten a McCain or Romney, but this was Donald Trump.  Most people knew he was a buffoon.  But I really think a lot of middle-of-the-road people who don't have the (often unhealthy) passion that many of us do just shrugged their shoulders with "they both suck."

    It was a perfect storm:
    • Anger about eight years of a "you know what" president riling up what has become "the base."
    • Absolute clown-car of GOP candidates (and Kasich, who lacked personality).
    • The electoral college being set up perfectly (unfortunately, this isn't going to change in the forseeable future).
    • The media, in "treating Trump unfairly" giving him free face time ad nauseum.
    • No "next Obama" to truly energize the dems.
    • The Democratic Party thinking it was "her turn" and seemingly missing the memo that Hillary's been hated since 1991.
    • The rise of "fake news" and likely interference from another nation that seemingly had a stake in the election.
    • Constant barrage of "news" that this was going to be a slam dunk for HRC.
    • Comey opening the investigation in late October.
    And 3,000,000 fewer people still voted for him.
    Except for trump...and his bringing the circus to the GOP primary, who was a “clown car” candidate? Ben? Rick? Who else? 

    It seems like there were plenty of non clown options.
    All of 'em.  Except maybe Kasich.  Cruz?  Yeah.  Rubio?  Yeah.  Scott Walker?  Hell yeah.  Jeb? Maybe not but I think the name "Bush" hurt him.  Lindsey Graham? Well, I was pretty sure a Republican was going to win so I was kinda pulling for him for a time...but boy is he off the rails now.

    To me, as a fairly liberal guy, not one of them was tolerable.  I could have lived with a McCain or a Romney as president (though don't get me started on their running mates).  I personally thought all of these people (with the possible exception of Kasich, who I have issues with) were awful.

    And to the point of my post, there really wasn't anyone there that was going to beat Trump.  
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  • DE4173
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    edited February 2019

    Kat said:
    I'm wondering about this one because I read that the Democratic Party changed the rules a while back that you had to be a registered Democrat for the nomination. I also read that Senator Sanders wasn't one. Did I read correctly or are people mixed up....like I am.  :) . Does anyone know the truth of this? Thanks in advance all.
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  • OnWis97
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    DE4173 said:

    Kat said:
    I'm wondering about this one because I read that the Democratic Party changed the rules a while back that you had to be a registered Democrat for the nomination. I also read that Senator Sanders wasn't one. Did I read correctly or are people mixed up....like I am.  :) . Does anyone know the truth of this? Thanks in advance all.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/politics/bernie-sanders-sign-dnc-affirmation-run-as-democrat/index.html
    Good.  And makes sense.  Given that he asked his  supporters to back Hillary, I think he's cognizant of the kinds of things that can get Trump elected and isn't simply going to shrug his shoulders like Nader and say "whatever; it's my right."  He knows he won't be president if he runs as an independent, he knows he'll take votes away from the Democrat, and he knows it's important that Trump not win.
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  • DE4173
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    Cincy had a similar link. Sorry for the duplication
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Image for you. Split screen. Bernie on the left, yelling about "free everything." Venezuela in protest marches, public demonstrations and fleeing the country on the right. Done and done.
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  • cincybearcat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Image for you. Split screen. Bernie on the left, yelling about "free everything." Venezuela in protest marches, public demonstrations and fleeing the country on the right. Done and done.
    I have no idea what you are trying to say.
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  • my2hands
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    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 


  • cincybearcat
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    my2hands said:
    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 


    Thanks for the translation. If I try I get accused of putting words in his mouth.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    edited February 2019
    cincybearcat said:
    my2hands said:
    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 


    Thanks for the translation. If I try I get accused of putting words in his mouth.
    You could ask a straightforward question without putting words in my mouth as you did. M2H kind of has it but I was giving you the image of a Team Trump Treason campaign ad against the Bern should he win the nomination. Middle America aint going for "free stuff."
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  • cincybearcat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    my2hands said:
    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 


    Thanks for the translation. If I try I get accused of putting words in his mouth.
    You could ask a straightforward question without putting words in my mouth as you did. M2H kind of has it but I was giving you the image of a Team Trump Treason campaign ad against the Bern should he win the nomination. Middle America aint going for "free stuff."
    Yup My2hands answered me perfectly. Thanks. 
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  • OnWis97
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    my2hands said:
    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 


    Regardless of what he's saying, this is probably what the GOP is going to do. This and immigration. It's all they really have at this point.  Vilify the socialists, scare everyone about immigrants, and accuse his opponent of doing all this shit he actually does.
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  • cincybearcat
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    OnWis97 said:
    my2hands said:
    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 


    Regardless of what he's saying, this is probably what the GOP is going to do. This and immigration. It's all they really have at this point.  Vilify the socialists, scare everyone about immigrants, and accuse his opponent of doing all this shit he actually does.
    Truth is socialist don’t need help being vilified. It’s the lefts own fault should they lose.
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  • brianlux
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    edited February 2019
    my2hands said:
    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 



    Do you suppose there will come a day when the average American will understand the differences between communism, socialism, state capitalism, and democratic socialism?

    Nahhh, that would be too much like having to work at being educated.   That's also why it will be perceived as a race between  Socialism vs Freedom.  Simple formulas for simple minded America. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 



    Do you suppose there will come a day when the average American will understand the differences between communism, socialism, state capitalism, and democratic socialism?

    Nahhh, that would be too much like having to work at being educated.   That's also why it will be perceived as a race between  Socialism vs Freedom.  Simple formulas for simple minded America. 
    No. “I love the uneducated.”
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    He is saying the GOP platform in 2020 is going to be very simple, socialism is evil and the GOP and Trump represent freedom and "free markets" (whatever that means at this point lol)

    He has a point, and it would likely work... I think that's why the right wing media focused on AOC, because their only saving grace could be to make the election as simple as Socialism v. Freedom 



    Do you suppose there will come a day when the average American will understand the differences between communism, socialism, state capitalism, and democratic socialism?

    Nahhh, that would be too much like having to work at being educated.   That's also why it will be perceived as a race between  Socialism vs Freedom.  Simple formulas for simple minded America. 
    No. “I love the uneducated.”
    LOL, yeah, he really did tweet that.

    Thing is, if he really did love the uneducated he would would want to help them become better educated- or rather (and more importantly) to learn to use critical thinking, common sense, and wise judgement, all of which come before just simply knowing a bunch of shit.  And that takes us back to the subject at hand here- Bernie Sanders would want these things for all people.











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  • Hi!
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    Bernie has my primary vote as of right now.      I would love to see him debate Trump. Biden is the only other candidate I can see myself voting for in the primaries. It’s early, we shall see.

    Weird thing about the 2016 race, every deplorable I know was voting and or supported Bernie during primary, but for some odd reason supported Trump after Hillary got the nomination. Bizzaro. Pretty sure Bernie would have won Michigan.

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  • brianlux
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
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  • cincybearcat
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    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFfZl6HKScs
    I'll have to watch the rest later but what he says early on makes sense.  Sander's ideas, a few years ago labeled "radical" are widely accepted and promoted within the Dem party.  That being the case, it makes sense to nominate the man who formulated and spread those ideas.
    Especially since it worked so well for them in the last president election to let Bernie (an independent) move their party left.
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