I voted for only women in 2018... plan on doing the same for years to come until we've reached some level of balance in our representation... this also includes minorities, non-christian, and LGBTQ candidates... there are some exceptions to this, and the 2020 primary and POTUS election likely falls into that category... if I'm feeling gangsta I'm going Bernie... if I'm feeling moderate I'm going with Uncle Joe... and of course this can all change
And, drum roll please, i don't give AF is people like it or not... what is sexist is the history of politics in this country being the boys club, fuck that noise
Sen. Bernie Sanders has raised more than $1 million for his 2020 presidential campaign in less than four hours, his team confirms, putting him well ahead of other contenders who launched their bids with strong financial support.
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^^^ LOL. "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!" haha!
Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me. The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around. But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump?
It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie. He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
^^^ LOL. "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!" haha!
Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me. The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around. But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump?
It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie. He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
If he were to become POTUS how would the Chinese and the Russians know when he is truly pissed off. He is always loud and sounds so angry...lol
LOL - Not scared, my reaction just happened to fall under the gangster post.
no, no, no is my reaction to Sander's running. Not needed and for a lot of people, not wanted.
Why is his candidacy "not needed" and "not wanted"?
I think he is needed and I personally want him to run, and i'm not surprised in the least that he is
I guess people forget how much energy his campaign and support brought in 2016... even with the DNC tipping the scales towards Hillary, the chosen loser
Bernie's populist message and energetic supporters would NOT have skipped the midwest and would NOT have lost the midwest, and therefore would have beaten Trump... frankly, Trump took Bernies populist energy/support and co-opted it (and distorted it) and won because of it
As an Irish friend of mine once said, this country needs less champagne and a little more socialism
I'm wondering about this one because I read that the Democratic Party changed the rules a while back that you had to be a registered Democrat for the nomination. I also read that Senator Sanders wasn't one. Did I read correctly or are people mixed up....like I am. . Does anyone know the truth of this? Thanks in advance all.
I'm wondering about this one because I read that the Democratic Party changed the rules a while back that you had to be a registered Democrat for the nomination. I also read that Senator Sanders wasn't one. Did I read correctly or are people mixed up....like I am. . Does anyone know the truth of this? Thanks in advance all.
I'm wondering about this one because I read that the Democratic Party changed the rules a while back that you had to be a registered Democrat for the nomination. I also read that Senator Sanders wasn't one. Did I read correctly or are people mixed up....like I am. . Does anyone know the truth of this? Thanks in advance all.
They changed the rule. Bernie going to run as an indy?
I'm wondering about this one because I read that the Democratic Party changed the rules a while back that you had to be a registered Democrat for the nomination. I also read that Senator Sanders wasn't one. Did I read correctly or are people mixed up....like I am. . Does anyone know the truth of this? Thanks in advance all.
They changed the rule. Bernie going to run as an indy?
I guess he'd have to considering that rule change. I wasn't aware of this and I wonder why they did it. Maybe to prevent a Trump-type figure from hijacking the party? That'd be a reasonable enough reason. But...if they don't let Sanders in the Democratic primary (which according to this rule, they shouldn't) and he runs as an independent, that's going to bode well for Trump if Sanders can take votes away from the democratic nominee. Unless the Democratic nominee is Biden, I think Sanders will be more popular with left-leaning voters than whoever the Dems nominate.
I'm wondering about this one because I read that the Democratic Party changed the rules a while back that you had to be a registered Democrat for the nomination. I also read that Senator Sanders wasn't one. Did I read correctly or are people mixed up....like I am. . Does anyone know the truth of this? Thanks in advance all.
It really is the only thing that makes sense. Why would a party want someone representing them who isn't even a member of that party? If Sanders feels he doesn't belong in the democratic party and doesn't join, then he shouldn't run as a democrat.
I'm wondering about this one because I read that the Democratic Party changed the rules a while back that you had to be a registered Democrat for the nomination. I also read that Senator Sanders wasn't one. Did I read correctly or are people mixed up....like I am. . Does anyone know the truth of this? Thanks in advance all.
It really is the only thing that makes sense. Why would a party want someone representing them who isn't even a member of that party? If Sanders feels he doesn't belong in the democratic party and doesn't join, then he shouldn't run as a democrat.
LOL - Not scared, my reaction just happened to fall under the gangster post.
no, no, no is my reaction to Sander's running. Not needed and for a lot of people, not wanted.
Why is his candidacy "not needed" and "not wanted"?
I think he is needed and I personally want him to run, and i'm not surprised in the least that he is
I guess people forget how much energy his campaign and support brought in 2016... even with the DNC tipping the scales towards Hillary, the chosen loser
Bernie's populist message and energetic supporters would NOT have skipped the midwest and would NOT have lost the midwest, and therefore would have beaten Trump... frankly, Trump took Bernies populist energy/support and co-opted it (and distorted it) and won because of it
As an Irish friend of mine once said, this country needs less champagne and a little more socialism
He excited a lot of people but he also was an independent running as a Democrat who kept Hillary from concentrating on her run against Trump while Trump sat back and revelled.
For all of his socialism, he is pro=gun and I cannot get behind his voting record on guns. And he has had problems hiring people of diverse backgrounds and has had a hostile campaign work environment.
Many of the ideas are good but his time has passed.
My opinion is that he is not wanted and needed because of what he did to gum up the works in 2016 all the way up to and past the Convention and the Bernie Bros did not keep this country safe from Trump.
My opinion. Others differ. There will be much debate in this primary field.
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^^^ LOL. "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!" haha!
Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me. The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around. But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump?
It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie. He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
If he were to become POTUS how would the Chinese and the Russians know when he is truly pissed off. He is always loud and sounds so angry...lol
WELL MELTDOWN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY ANSWER THAT ONE!!!
thanks Bernie, for those 4 more of years of Trump nobody wanted.
From what I've read, a bigger reason for Trump being elected was because of low traditional democrat voter turn out. Simply put, too many people stayed home because they thought HRC had it in the bag. Besides, I think Bernie would have won instead of Trump.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
^^^ LOL. "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!" haha!
Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me. The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around. But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump?
It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie. He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
If he were to become POTUS how would the Chinese and the Russians know when he is truly pissed off. He is always loud and sounds so angry...lol
WELL MELTDOWN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY ANSWER THAT ONE!!!
thanks Bernie, for those 4 more of years of Trump nobody wanted.
From what I've read, a bigger reason for Trump being elected was because of low traditional democrat voter turn out. Simply put, too many people stayed home because they thought HRC had it in the bag. Besides, I think Bernie would have won instead of Trump.
The Russians would have never let that happen.
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^^^ LOL. "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!" haha!
Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me. The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around. But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump?
It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie. He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
If he were to become POTUS how would the Chinese and the Russians know when he is truly pissed off. He is always loud and sounds so angry...lol
WELL MELTDOWN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY ANSWER THAT ONE!!!
thanks Bernie, for those 4 more of years of Trump nobody wanted.
From what I've read, a bigger reason for Trump being elected was because of low traditional democrat voter turn out. Simply put, too many people stayed home because they thought HRC had it in the bag. Besides, I think Bernie would have won instead of Trump.
The Russians would have never let that happen.
Could be- it's pure speculation on my part. We'll never know.
Sadly, I I also don't think we'll even know how much influence Russia had on the election. The whole collusion debate has dragged on for years now and we're no closer.
And as much as I like what Bernie stands for and will stand behind him if it looks like he could be the one to beat Trump, my biggest hope would be for someone energetic, inspiring, well spoken, confidence building, practical, earth loving, fair, well educated and dynamic.
I'd also like to win the lottery.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
^^^ LOL. "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!" haha!
Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me. The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around. But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump?
It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie. He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
If he were to become POTUS how would the Chinese and the Russians know when he is truly pissed off. He is always loud and sounds so angry...lol
WELL MELTDOWN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY ANSWER THAT ONE!!!
thanks Bernie, for those 4 more of years of Trump nobody wanted.
From what I've read, a bigger reason for Trump being elected was because of low traditional democrat voter turn out. Simply put, too many people stayed home because they thought HRC had it in the bag. Besides, I think Bernie would have won instead of Trump.
I think that underestimates the number of people, on both sides, who just flat out didn't like her. Some low voter turnout can be accounted for by the fact many thought she had it in the bag, but many just didn't want to vote for either candidate so they just didn't show up. Also, one of the biggest margins for Trump was on-the-fence or swing voters.
^^^ LOL. "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!" haha!
Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me. The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around. But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump?
It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie. He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
If he were to become POTUS how would the Chinese and the Russians know when he is truly pissed off. He is always loud and sounds so angry...lol
WELL MELTDOWN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY ANSWER THAT ONE!!!
thanks Bernie, for those 4 more of years of Trump nobody wanted.
From what I've read, a bigger reason for Trump being elected was because of low traditional democrat voter turn out. Simply put, too many people stayed home because they thought HRC had it in the bag. Besides, I think Bernie would have won instead of Trump.
I think that underestimates the number of people, on both sides, who just flat out didn't like her. Some low voter turnout can be accounted for by the fact many thought she had it in the bag, but many just didn't want to vote for either candidate so they just didn't show up. Also, one of the biggest margins for Trump was on-the-fence or swing voters.
I tend to agree. I don't know that they stayed home because it was in the bag or they just thought both candidates were so awful they sat it out. The 25 years of hatred for her made me nervous the entire time. She was hated the day Bill became a household name. It was unfair. Some of the hate when she started to get into public life was, but by then it had snowballed and by 2016, it was an avalanche. Yeah, Russia got involved. Yeah, she and her campaign screwed up by not giving the appropriate attention to a few states, but I think the 25 years of hate was really the most important part of this election. I think Biden, just like GHWB would have been able to win handly by virtue of being VP to a fairly well-liked president (Not nearly as beloved as Reagan, but Obama's coattails would have put Joe past a dimwit like Trump pretty easily). I'm starting to think even Bernie would have won. He wouldn't have beaten a McCain or Romney, but this was Donald Trump. Most people knew he was a buffoon. But I really think a lot of middle-of-the-road people who don't have the (often unhealthy) passion that many of us do just shrugged their shoulders with "they both suck."
It was a perfect storm:
Anger about eight years of a "you know what" president riling up what has become "the base."
Absolute clown-car of GOP candidates (and Kasich, who lacked personality).
The electoral college being set up perfectly (unfortunately, this isn't going to change in the forseeable future).
The media, in "treating Trump unfairly" giving him free face time ad nauseum.
No "next Obama" to truly energize the dems.
The Democratic Party thinking it was "her turn" and seemingly missing the memo that Hillary's been hated since 1991.
The rise of "fake news" and likely interference from another nation that seemingly had a stake in the election.
Constant barrage of "news" that this was going to be a slam dunk for HRC.
Comey opening the investigation in late October.
And 3,000,000 fewer people still voted for him.
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^^^ LOL. "THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS!" haha!
Bernie running comes as a bit of a surprise for me. The field is already crowded, many people are concerned about his age, he lost last time around. But then when you think about how his ideas and policies have been adopted by a lot of the other men and women running in that pack, the thought occurs to me- So why not give the man who promoted those ideas in a way that led to them being widely embraced- why not give him a shot at running against Trump?
It's too early for me to decide who I will support, but I'm not counting out Bernie. He seems to be the same guy I supported last time (until he lost out to Hillary).
If he were to become POTUS how would the Chinese and the Russians know when he is truly pissed off. He is always loud and sounds so angry...lol
WELL MELTDOWN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY ANSWER THAT ONE!!!
thanks Bernie, for those 4 more of years of Trump nobody wanted.
From what I've read, a bigger reason for Trump being elected was because of low traditional democrat voter turn out. Simply put, too many people stayed home because they thought HRC had it in the bag. Besides, I think Bernie would have won instead of Trump.
I think that underestimates the number of people, on both sides, who just flat out didn't like her. Some low voter turnout can be accounted for by the fact many thought she had it in the bag, but many just didn't want to vote for either candidate so they just didn't show up. Also, one of the biggest margins for Trump was on-the-fence or swing voters.
I tend to agree. I don't know that they stayed home because it was in the bag or they just thought both candidates were so awful they sat it out. The 25 years of hatred for her made me nervous the entire time. She was hated the day Bill became a household name. It was unfair. Some of the hate when she started to get into public life was, but by then it had snowballed and by 2016, it was an avalanche. Yeah, Russia got involved. Yeah, she and her campaign screwed up by not giving the appropriate attention to a few states, but I think the 25 years of hate was really the most important part of this election. I think Biden, just like GHWB would have been able to win handly by virtue of being VP to a fairly well-liked president (Not nearly as beloved as Reagan, but Obama's coattails would have put Joe past a dimwit like Trump pretty easily). I'm starting to think even Bernie would have won. He wouldn't have beaten a McCain or Romney, but this was Donald Trump. Most people knew he was a buffoon. But I really think a lot of middle-of-the-road people who don't have the (often unhealthy) passion that many of us do just shrugged their shoulders with "they both suck."
It was a perfect storm:
Anger about eight years of a "you know what" president riling up what has become "the base."
Absolute clown-car of GOP candidates (and Kasich, who lacked personality).
The electoral college being set up perfectly (unfortunately, this isn't going to change in the forseeable future).
The media, in "treating Trump unfairly" giving him free face time ad nauseum.
No "next Obama" to truly energize the dems.
The Democratic Party thinking it was "her turn" and seemingly missing the memo that Hillary's been hated since 1991.
The rise of "fake news" and likely interference from another nation that seemingly had a stake in the election.
Constant barrage of "news" that this was going to be a slam dunk for HRC.
Comey opening the investigation in late October.
And 3,000,000 fewer people still voted for him.
Except for trump...and his bringing the circus to the GOP primary, who was a “clown car” candidate? Ben? Rick? Who else?
It seems like there were plenty of non clown options.
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no, no, no is my reaction to Sander's running. Not needed and for a lot of people, not wanted.
lol
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I think he is needed and I personally want him to run, and i'm not surprised in the least that he is
I guess people forget how much energy his campaign and support brought in 2016... even with the DNC tipping the scales towards Hillary, the chosen loser
Bernie's populist message and energetic supporters would NOT have skipped the midwest and would NOT have lost the midwest, and therefore would have beaten Trump... frankly, Trump took Bernies populist energy/support and co-opted it (and distorted it) and won because of it
As an Irish friend of mine once said, this country needs less champagne and a little more socialism
I'm still not voting for Bernie....for anything.
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For all of his socialism, he is pro=gun and I cannot get behind his voting record on guns. And he has had problems hiring people of diverse backgrounds and has had a hostile campaign work environment.
Many of the ideas are good but his time has passed.
My opinion is that he is not wanted and needed because of what he did to gum up the works in 2016 all the way up to and past the Convention and the Bernie Bros did not keep this country safe from Trump.
My opinion. Others differ. There will be much debate in this primary field.
From what I've read, a bigger reason for Trump being elected was because of low traditional democrat voter turn out. Simply put, too many people stayed home because they thought HRC had it in the bag. Besides, I think Bernie would have won instead of Trump.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It was a perfect storm:
- Anger about eight years of a "you know what" president riling up what has become "the base."
- Absolute clown-car of GOP candidates (and Kasich, who lacked personality).
- The electoral college being set up perfectly (unfortunately, this isn't going to change in the forseeable future).
- The media, in "treating Trump unfairly" giving him free face time ad nauseum.
- No "next Obama" to truly energize the dems.
- The Democratic Party thinking it was "her turn" and seemingly missing the memo that Hillary's been hated since 1991.
- The rise of "fake news" and likely interference from another nation that seemingly had a stake in the election.
- Constant barrage of "news" that this was going to be a slam dunk for HRC.
- Comey opening the investigation in late October.
And 3,000,000 fewer people still voted for him.2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin
It seems like there were plenty of non clown options.