Outrage Culture

mrussel1

jeffbr said:

^ That's for sure!
There are a few delicate flowers who seem to be shocked by Halloween-related horror imagery. 

Agreed.  I just think it's kind of lame.  I did like the Scooby Doo one.  

brianlux

jeffbr said:

^ That's for sure!
There are a few delicate flowers who seem to be shocked by Halloween-related horror imagery. 

I'm certainly no delicate flower, Jeff.  More like a jumping cholla.

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

jeffbr said:

^ That's for sure!
There are a few delicate flowers who seem to be shocked by Halloween-related horror imagery. 

I'm certainly no delicate flower, Jeff.  More like a jumping cholla.

I've never seen a cholla stick to someone like that in my life!

tempo_n_groove

jeffbr said:

^ That's for sure!
There are a few delicate flowers who seem to be shocked by Halloween-related horror imagery. 

Not a fan that Mar a lago and Trump are on it...

I may still buy it because of the homage to old time horror flicks.

Jason P

I find the $45 total cost for something that will shrink to toddler size after 4 washes even more scary.  

Pretty dumb design for a rock band shirt though.  I hope we are not headed for an album where every song is about Trump. 

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

jeffbr said:

^ That's for sure!
There are a few delicate flowers who seem to be shocked by Halloween-related horror imagery. 

I'm certainly no delicate flower, Jeff.  More like a jumping cholla.

I've never seen a cholla stick to someone like that in my life!

Yeah, pretty severe! 

I accidentally kicked one once while walking in Anza Borego State Park.  I had on well worn leather boots and the sucker went right through the boot and into my toe.  I limped back to camp (fortunately not too fr away) and found pliers in my tool box and yanked it right out.  Hurt like a son-of-a-bitch!

mcgruff10

Before you have outrage:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/girl-recants-false-allegations-white-classmates-cut-dreadlocks-171816039.html

Family issues apology after 6th-grader recants claims that white classmates cut her dreadlocks

A 12-year-old girl who claimed that three classmates forcibly cut off her dreadlocks and called her hair “nappy” has now admitted to making up the allegations, according to a statement issued by her family and school.

The grandparents and guardians of Amari Allen, an African-American sixth-grader at Immanuel Christian School in Springfield, Va., had filed a police report with the Fairfax County Police Department after she spoke of being harassed and pinned down by three white male classmates during recess on Sept. 23. A representative for the local NAACP chapter also told Yahoo Lifestyle last week that her family would be meeting with an attorney.

“They put their hands on my back, they put their hand around my mouth, and they started to cut my hair,” the girl told WJLA, adding that the boys had allegedly made disparaging comments about her dreadlocks.

But she has since recanted the allegations.

“We can now confirm that the student who accused three of her classmates of assault has acknowledged that the allegations were false,” reads a statement sent to Yahoo Lifestyle on behalf of Stephen Danish, the head of school at Immanuel. “We’re grateful to the Fairfax County Police Department for their diligent work to investigate these allegations.

“While we are relieved to hear the truth and bring the events of the past few days to a close, we also feel tremendous pain for the victims and the hurt on both sides of this conflict. We recognize that we now enter what will be a long season of healing. This ordeal has revealed that we as a school family are not immune from the effects of deep racial wounds in our society. We view this incident as an opportunity to be part of a learning and healing process, and we will continue to support the students and families involved.

“We will also continue teaching what we’ve taught for more than 40 years: that the love of God is for all people, and as His children we should demonstrate that love equally to all people regardless of their background, what they believe or how they behave.”

The statement also included an apology from the Allen family, who expressed remorse for “betraying” the trust of those who supported them

“To those young boys and their parents, we sincerely apologize for the pain and anxiety these allegations have caused,” it reads. “To the administrators and families of Immanuel Christian School, we are sorry for the damage this incident has done to trust within the school family and the undue scorn it has brought to the school.

“To the broader community, who rallied in such passionate support for our daughter, we apologize for betraying your trust.

“We understand there will be consequences, and we’re prepared to take responsibility for them. We know that it will take time to heal, and we hope and pray that the boys, their families, the school and the broader community will be able to forgive us in time.”

The school, where second lady Karen Pence teaches art part-time, did not comment on whether or not Amari would face any formal punishment over the incident.

The Fairfax County NAACP chapter, meanwhile, has issued its own statement acknowledging the latest developments and asking for Amari’s privacy to be respected.

“Amari is not a public figure,” it reads. “She is a young girl who made a mistake, and we are asking everyone, supporters and critics alike, to please respect the family’s privacy at this time.”

The statement also urged the public to avoid using this instance to discount other “racially motivated crimes.”

“Too often in these rare instances of fabricated hate crimes, critics use a broad brush to claim racially motivated crimes are virtually non-existent,” it says. “This is demonstrably wrong. Data from numerous sources, including the Anti-Defamation League, the FBI and the Justice Department, shows bias motivated crimes are on the rise, year over year. The fact is that these type of fabrications are isolated incidents, but the public and media has a tendency to sensationalize falsifications over the thousands of real hate crimes reported every year.”

Spiritual_Chaos

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

Spiritual_Chaos

nvm

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

hedonist

I thought it was the perception (by media, individuals, etc.) that someone did something against the so-called grain.  Usually I see it from the overly-PC, but it runs all gamuts.  Platforms such as Twitter, Facebook and the like only make it easier to spread that indignance and get some ride-alongs.

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

I thought it was the perception (by media, individuals, etc.) that someone did something against the so-called grain.  Usually I see it from the overly-PC, but it runs all gamuts.  Platforms such as Twitter, Facebook and the like only make it easier to spread that indignance and get some ride-alongs.

Yes, that is also closer. I just wanted to make sure people don't think that being outraged by crimes is somehow connected to outrage culture (as I thought was hinted at earlier), because it's not.

rgambs

Eh, outrage culture isn't anything new.  It's just the same amplification that the internet provides to all topics.  Everyone's voice is public now, so their outrage (their racism, bigotry, callousness, greed, self-absorption, idiocy, etc etc) is now more accessible than it ever was, but it isn't more prevalent.

The generations that made an art of gossiping and being outraged about their neighbors and coworkers want to pretend they were all stoic and calm but anybody with half a brain remembers that people would LOSE THEIR FUCKING MINDS when a black man spoke to a white woman, or later used the white drinking fountain, or later when a woman didn't marry, or had a baby out of wedlock, or later when a man dared to be openly gay, or dared to criticize the US government.  Outrage culture isn't new, and it isn't news. 

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

...Jussie Smollett is from the US... 

PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

That's why I said it should be just called media outrage culture. If it weren't for the media (not social media just on its own), nobody would even know about these things. Commenters on social media still need to start with a story that's reported 9 out of 10 times. The actual media needs to report it for everyone to become outraged (but again, there is nothing wrong with feeling outrage about a hate crime).

That said.... I don't mind seeing the voices of the general public included with a story being reported. These are citizens. Their voices still matter. But the comments should be well curated, not just random idiotic comments. Media outlets still need to edit shit and make it worthwhile, like some intelligent opposing viewpoints or something. So yeah, just dumbass crap tweets being posted thanks to some algorithm that the media outlet is using - that's garbage.

Ledbetterman10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

...Jussie Smollett is from the US... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZXoErL2124