Outrage Culture

HughFreakingDillon

never thought i'd say this, but kudos to kelly ripa:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/entertainment/kelly-ripa-son-trnd/index.html

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

...Jussie Smollett is from the US... 

Missed the joke!

That was a funny bit too.

mickeyrat

  Obama on Call-Out Culture: ‘That’s Not Activism’ https://nyti.ms/3385Wwg

By Emily S. Rueb and Derrick Bryson Taylor

• Oct. 31, 2019Updated 5:05 p.m. ET
• 
  

Former President Barack Obama made a rare foray into the cultural conversation this week, objecting to the prevalence of “call-out culture” and “wokeness” during an interview about youth activism at the Obama Foundation summit on Tuesday.

For more than an hour, Mr. Obama sat onstage with the actress Yara Shahidi and several other young leaders from around the world. The conversation touched on “leadership, grass roots change and the power places have to shape our journeys,” the Obama Foundation said, but it was his remarks about young activists that have ricocheted around the internet, mostly receiving praise from a cohort of bipartisan and intergenerational supporters.

“This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically ‘woke’ and all that stuff,” Mr. Obama said. “You should get over that quickly.”

“The world is messy; there are ambiguities,” he continued. “People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and share certain things with you.”

article continues....

Jason P

ambiguities has to be Obama's favorite word.  just looking for any excuse to drop an a-bomb.

brianlux

Jason P said:

ambiguities has to be Obama's favorite word.  just looking for any excuse to drop an a-bomb.

He needs to be more careful.  People might start referring to him as "A-bomb-a"!

Smellyman

Jason P said:

ambiguities has to be Obama's favorite word.  just looking for any excuse to drop an a-bomb.

It's the perfect word.  some say the best word ever.

mrussel1

Smellyman said:

Jason P said:

ambiguities has to be Obama's favorite word.  just looking for any excuse to drop an a-bomb.

It's the perfect word.  some say the best word ever.

Many people are saying this. 

mcgruff10

mickeyrat said:

  Obama on Call-Out Culture: ‘That’s Not Activism’ https://nyti.ms/3385Wwg

By Emily S. Rueb and Derrick Bryson Taylor

• Oct. 31, 2019Updated 5:05 p.m. ET
• 
  

Former President Barack Obama made a rare foray into the cultural conversation this week, objecting to the prevalence of “call-out culture” and “wokeness” during an interview about youth activism at the Obama Foundation summit on Tuesday.

For more than an hour, Mr. Obama sat onstage with the actress Yara Shahidi and several other young leaders from around the world. The conversation touched on “leadership, grass roots change and the power places have to shape our journeys,” the Obama Foundation said, but it was his remarks about young activists that have ricocheted around the internet, mostly receiving praise from a cohort of bipartisan and intergenerational supporters.

“This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically ‘woke’ and all that stuff,” Mr. Obama said. “You should get over that quickly.”

“The world is messy; there are ambiguities,” he continued. “People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and share certain things with you.”

article continues....

Great article (one I agree with 100%), thanks for sharing mickey.  

Lerxst1992

Well said, Obama. Please come back more often.

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

Well said, Obama. Please come back more often.

I agree.  I miss him so much.  

The Juggler

Far right wing wackos (including the president's son) are outraged. Thankfully mainstream media outlets are showing restraint:


https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/08/tech/whistleblower-photo-fake/index.html

mickeyrat

good read....

https://gen.medium.com/my-semester-with-the-snowflakes-888285f0e662?

RunIntoTheRain

mickeyrat said:

good read....

https://gen.medium.com/my-semester-with-the-snowflakes-888285f0e662?

Excellent. Thanks for posting.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

good read....

https://gen.medium.com/my-semester-with-the-snowflakes-888285f0e662?

Good piece.  Best paragraph in there was this:

Being uncomfortable is KEY in this world of ours. Not altogether different from the world of special operations, where the work needs to be done, regardless of weather or personal feelings. The climate in this educational institution is one where most students understand that there HAS to be a place where people can assault ideas openly and discuss them vigorously and respectfully in order to improve the state of humanity. I’ll call that a “safe space” and I’m glad those places exist.

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

good read....

https://gen.medium.com/my-semester-with-the-snowflakes-888285f0e662?

@RYME

good definition of safe space in this article...

mickeyrat

  http://harvardpolitics.com/harvard/what-is-a-safe-space/

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

  http://harvardpolitics.com/harvard/what-is-a-safe-space/

From the article:  "we do not condone the creation of intellectual ‘safe spaces’ where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own.” 

Good for that school.  But, wow! -- "intellectual ‘safe spaces’ where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own"?  A very strange concept.  Not  being wiling to be exposed to ideas and perspectives that are at odd with one's own seems anything but safe.  Do people who hide in these places not realize it is better to know what is going on outside their "safe place"? 

And to make matters worse, these "safe places " are so ill defined that there really is little to condone in the first place.  How can a university condone or ban an idea that is not well defined?  Is that like, "You can't do that except when you can"?  What a mess!

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

  http://harvardpolitics.com/harvard/what-is-a-safe-space/

From the article:  "we do not condone the creation of intellectual ‘safe spaces’ where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own.” 

Good for that school.  But, wow! -- "intellectual ‘safe spaces’ where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own"?  A very strange concept.  Not  being wiling to be exposed to ideas and perspectives that are at odd with one's own seems anything but safe.  Do people who hide in these places not realize it is better to know what is going on outside their "safe place"? 

And to make matters worse, these "safe places " are so ill defined that there really is little to condone in the first place.  How can a university condone or ban an idea that is not well defined?  Is that like, "You can't do that except when you can"?  What a mess!

it seems as if the emotional safe spaces are the overriding factor.

BUT given the viral nature of some of these events, coupled with lazy reporting was more made of this stuff than was warranted?

I swear media writ large is like a soccer game with 5 yr olds.  The soccer ball is event xyz, the 5 yr olds are all of media chasing the "ball".

mickeyrat

huh, so we can say no to mob rules sensibilities?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/has-jk-rowling-figured-out-a-way-to-break-our-cancel-culture/2019/12/31/10798748-2bf3-11ea-bcb3-ac6482c4a92f_story.html

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

  http://harvardpolitics.com/harvard/what-is-a-safe-space/

From the article:  "we do not condone the creation of intellectual ‘safe spaces’ where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own.” 

Good for that school.  But, wow! -- "intellectual ‘safe spaces’ where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own"?  A very strange concept.  Not  being wiling to be exposed to ideas and perspectives that are at odd with one's own seems anything but safe.  Do people who hide in these places not realize it is better to know what is going on outside their "safe place"? 

And to make matters worse, these "safe places " are so ill defined that there really is little to condone in the first place.  How can a university condone or ban an idea that is not well defined?  Is that like, "You can't do that except when you can"?  What a mess!

it seems as if the emotional safe spaces are the overriding factor.

BUT given the viral nature of some of these events, coupled with lazy reporting was more made of this stuff than was warranted?

I swear media writ large is like a soccer game with 5 yr olds.  The soccer ball is event xyz, the 5 yr olds are all of media chasing the "ball".

LOL, good analogy. 

Media for me anymore is like having a classroom full of those same 5 years olds each present you with their own perspective on what happened at a playground incident and you trying to piece together what actually happened.  Damn near impossible!