Outrage Culture

mrussel1

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

A couple examples came up today, one in conversation and one in reading reading, of how outrage culture can actually backfire on someone trying to support a cause.  

The first relates to abuse of women.  There is good reason for people to be angry over the issue of abuse of women.  But when accusations single out, exaggerate or lie about minor incidences that don't really amount to abuse, people will begin to question the motives of those speaking out against the abuse.  Abuse of women is serious and should not be watered down but false accusation.  That does women a great disservice.  (See Al Franken thread).

The more specific example that came up today was in talking with a friend about what is often referred to as "the hate truck" that used to drive through our town of Placerville.  It was a delivery sized truck with glaring signs on it's sides blasting outrage against homosexuality.   The truck was driven by a man who was blatantly homophobic and his son.  The public reaction in this town (and this is a conservative town) was very much in opposition to this kind of public display of hatred.  One of the local churches went so far as to host speakers who spoke out against the hatred.  In fact, at one point, even the son came to speak (there are some who believe the young man is gay and that is what drove the hatred of the father even further, but this is unproven).  The result of all this is that there has been an estimated 80% reduction in the number of outwardly homophobic people in this area.  Outrage culture thankfully did the opposite of what this man's crusade against homosexuality intended to do.

I won't claim to speak for all women, but as a women, trust me - we are well-aware of this.

I believe it, Hedo.  I know other women who are as well.  Being close to women who have suffered terrible abuse, I find it terribly sad that the issue is being sabotaged. 

I also know women.  

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

A couple examples came up today, one in conversation and one in reading reading, of how outrage culture can actually backfire on someone trying to support a cause.  

The first relates to abuse of women.  There is good reason for people to be angry over the issue of abuse of women.  But when accusations single out, exaggerate or lie about minor incidences that don't really amount to abuse, people will begin to question the motives of those speaking out against the abuse.  Abuse of women is serious and should not be watered down but false accusation.  That does women a great disservice.  (See Al Franken thread).

The more specific example that came up today was in talking with a friend about what is often referred to as "the hate truck" that used to drive through our town of Placerville.  It was a delivery sized truck with glaring signs on it's sides blasting outrage against homosexuality.   The truck was driven by a man who was blatantly homophobic and his son.  The public reaction in this town (and this is a conservative town) was very much in opposition to this kind of public display of hatred.  One of the local churches went so far as to host speakers who spoke out against the hatred.  In fact, at one point, even the son came to speak (there are some who believe the young man is gay and that is what drove the hatred of the father even further, but this is unproven).  The result of all this is that there has been an estimated 80% reduction in the number of outwardly homophobic people in this area.  Outrage culture thankfully did the opposite of what this man's crusade against homosexuality intended to do.

I won't claim to speak for all women, but as a women, trust me - we are well-aware of this.

I believe it, Hedo.  I know other women who are as well.  Being close to women who have suffered terrible abuse, I find it terribly sad that the issue is being sabotaged. 

I also know women.  

Over half the world's population, so I should hope so, lol!

oftenreading

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

A couple examples came up today, one in conversation and one in reading reading, of how outrage culture can actually backfire on someone trying to support a cause.  

The first relates to abuse of women.  There is good reason for people to be angry over the issue of abuse of women.  But when accusations single out, exaggerate or lie about minor incidences that don't really amount to abuse, people will begin to question the motives of those speaking out against the abuse.  Abuse of women is serious and should not be watered down but false accusation.  That does women a great disservice.  (See Al Franken thread).

The more specific example that came up today was in talking with a friend about what is often referred to as "the hate truck" that used to drive through our town of Placerville.  It was a delivery sized truck with glaring signs on it's sides blasting outrage against homosexuality.   The truck was driven by a man who was blatantly homophobic and his son.  The public reaction in this town (and this is a conservative town) was very much in opposition to this kind of public display of hatred.  One of the local churches went so far as to host speakers who spoke out against the hatred.  In fact, at one point, even the son came to speak (there are some who believe the young man is gay and that is what drove the hatred of the father even further, but this is unproven).  The result of all this is that there has been an estimated 80% reduction in the number of outwardly homophobic people in this area.  Outrage culture thankfully did the opposite of what this man's crusade against homosexuality intended to do.

I won't claim to speak for all women, but as a women, trust me - we are well-aware of this.

I believe it, Hedo.  I know other women who are as well.  Being close to women who have suffered terrible abuse, I find it terribly sad that the issue is being sabotaged. 

I also know women.  

Over half the world's population, so I should hope so, lol!

He meant in the biblical sense. 

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

I also know women.  

oftenreading said:

He meant in the biblical sense. 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

A couple examples came up today, one in conversation and one in reading reading, of how outrage culture can actually backfire on someone trying to support a cause.  

The first relates to abuse of women.  There is good reason for people to be angry over the issue of abuse of women.  But when accusations single out, exaggerate or lie about minor incidences that don't really amount to abuse, people will begin to question the motives of those speaking out against the abuse.  Abuse of women is serious and should not be watered down but false accusation.  That does women a great disservice.  (See Al Franken thread).

The more specific example that came up today was in talking with a friend about what is often referred to as "the hate truck" that used to drive through our town of Placerville.  It was a delivery sized truck with glaring signs on it's sides blasting outrage against homosexuality.   The truck was driven by a man who was blatantly homophobic and his son.  The public reaction in this town (and this is a conservative town) was very much in opposition to this kind of public display of hatred.  One of the local churches went so far as to host speakers who spoke out against the hatred.  In fact, at one point, even the son came to speak (there are some who believe the young man is gay and that is what drove the hatred of the father even further, but this is unproven).  The result of all this is that there has been an estimated 80% reduction in the number of outwardly homophobic people in this area.  Outrage culture thankfully did the opposite of what this man's crusade against homosexuality intended to do.

I won't claim to speak for all women, but as a women, trust me - we are well-aware of this.

I believe it, Hedo.  I know other women who are as well.  Being close to women who have suffered terrible abuse, I find it terribly sad that the issue is being sabotaged. 

I also know women.  

Over half the world's population, so I should hope so, lol!

He meant in the biblical sense. 

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge...

I do love that phrase, 'in the biblical sense'.  I don't know why I always think it's funny.  

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

A couple examples came up today, one in conversation and one in reading reading, of how outrage culture can actually backfire on someone trying to support a cause.  

The first relates to abuse of women.  There is good reason for people to be angry over the issue of abuse of women.  But when accusations single out, exaggerate or lie about minor incidences that don't really amount to abuse, people will begin to question the motives of those speaking out against the abuse.  Abuse of women is serious and should not be watered down but false accusation.  That does women a great disservice.  (See Al Franken thread).

The more specific example that came up today was in talking with a friend about what is often referred to as "the hate truck" that used to drive through our town of Placerville.  It was a delivery sized truck with glaring signs on it's sides blasting outrage against homosexuality.   The truck was driven by a man who was blatantly homophobic and his son.  The public reaction in this town (and this is a conservative town) was very much in opposition to this kind of public display of hatred.  One of the local churches went so far as to host speakers who spoke out against the hatred.  In fact, at one point, even the son came to speak (there are some who believe the young man is gay and that is what drove the hatred of the father even further, but this is unproven).  The result of all this is that there has been an estimated 80% reduction in the number of outwardly homophobic people in this area.  Outrage culture thankfully did the opposite of what this man's crusade against homosexuality intended to do.

I won't claim to speak for all women, but as a women, trust me - we are well-aware of this.

I believe it, Hedo.  I know other women who are as well.  Being close to women who have suffered terrible abuse, I find it terribly sad that the issue is being sabotaged. 

I also know women.  

Over half the world's population, so I should hope so, lol!

He meant in the biblical sense. 

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge...

I do love that phrase, 'in the biblical sense'.  I don't know why I always think it's funny.  

It's rather funny, actually.  All that "though shalt not commit adultery"...  yet all that Biblical seemingly illicit "knowing"  going on in the stories. 

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

A couple examples came up today, one in conversation and one in reading reading, of how outrage culture can actually backfire on someone trying to support a cause.  

The first relates to abuse of women.  There is good reason for people to be angry over the issue of abuse of women.  But when accusations single out, exaggerate or lie about minor incidences that don't really amount to abuse, people will begin to question the motives of those speaking out against the abuse.  Abuse of women is serious and should not be watered down but false accusation.  That does women a great disservice.  (See Al Franken thread).

The more specific example that came up today was in talking with a friend about what is often referred to as "the hate truck" that used to drive through our town of Placerville.  It was a delivery sized truck with glaring signs on it's sides blasting outrage against homosexuality.   The truck was driven by a man who was blatantly homophobic and his son.  The public reaction in this town (and this is a conservative town) was very much in opposition to this kind of public display of hatred.  One of the local churches went so far as to host speakers who spoke out against the hatred.  In fact, at one point, even the son came to speak (there are some who believe the young man is gay and that is what drove the hatred of the father even further, but this is unproven).  The result of all this is that there has been an estimated 80% reduction in the number of outwardly homophobic people in this area.  Outrage culture thankfully did the opposite of what this man's crusade against homosexuality intended to do.

I won't claim to speak for all women, but as a women, trust me - we are well-aware of this.

I believe it, Hedo.  I know other women who are as well.  Being close to women who have suffered terrible abuse, I find it terribly sad that the issue is being sabotaged. 

I also know women.  

Over half the world's population, so I should hope so, lol!

He meant in the biblical sense. 

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge...

I do love that phrase, 'in the biblical sense'.  I don't know why I always think it's funny.  

Unlawful?

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

A couple examples came up today, one in conversation and one in reading reading, of how outrage culture can actually backfire on someone trying to support a cause.  

The first relates to abuse of women.  There is good reason for people to be angry over the issue of abuse of women.  But when accusations single out, exaggerate or lie about minor incidences that don't really amount to abuse, people will begin to question the motives of those speaking out against the abuse.  Abuse of women is serious and should not be watered down but false accusation.  That does women a great disservice.  (See Al Franken thread).

The more specific example that came up today was in talking with a friend about what is often referred to as "the hate truck" that used to drive through our town of Placerville.  It was a delivery sized truck with glaring signs on it's sides blasting outrage against homosexuality.   The truck was driven by a man who was blatantly homophobic and his son.  The public reaction in this town (and this is a conservative town) was very much in opposition to this kind of public display of hatred.  One of the local churches went so far as to host speakers who spoke out against the hatred.  In fact, at one point, even the son came to speak (there are some who believe the young man is gay and that is what drove the hatred of the father even further, but this is unproven).  The result of all this is that there has been an estimated 80% reduction in the number of outwardly homophobic people in this area.  Outrage culture thankfully did the opposite of what this man's crusade against homosexuality intended to do.

I won't claim to speak for all women, but as a women, trust me - we are well-aware of this.

I believe it, Hedo.  I know other women who are as well.  Being close to women who have suffered terrible abuse, I find it terribly sad that the issue is being sabotaged. 

I also know women.  

Over half the world's population, so I should hope so, lol!

He meant in the biblical sense. 

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge...

I do love that phrase, 'in the biblical sense'.  I don't know why I always think it's funny.  

Unlawful?

That's the origin of FUCK, allegedly.  It was a criminal term in the church for adultery (or premarital sex for that matter).  There's also a version of For Under the Consent of the King.  I don't know which one is more accurate, but either way... it's the dirty.   

mickeyrat

  fuck /fʌk  / vulgar slang
▸ verb [with object]
1 have sexual intercourse with (someone).
▪ [no object] (of two people) have sexual intercourse.
2 damage or ruin (something).
▸ noun an act of sexual intercourse.
▪ [with adjective] a sexual partner of a specified ability.
▸ exclamation used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience.
– PHRASES
as — as fuck (also — as fuck) vulgar slang
possessing the specified quality to very high degree (used for emphasis).
fuck all /ˈfʌk ˌɔːl  / British vulgar slang
absolutely nothing.
give a fuck [usually with negative] vulgar slang
be concerned about or interested in something.
go fuck yourself vulgar slang
an exclamation expressing anger or contempt for, or rejection of, someone.
– PHRASAL VERBS
fuck about (or around) vulgar slang spend time doing unimportant or trivial things.
fuck someone around (or about) vulgar slang waste someone's time.
fuck off vulgar slang [usually in imperative] (of a person) go away.
fuck someone off vulgar slang make someone angry.
fuck someone over US vulgar slang treat someone in an unfair or humiliating way.
fuck someone up vulgar slang damage or confuse someone emotionally.
fuck (something) up vulgar slang do something badly or ineptly.
– ORIGIN early 16th century : of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning ‘strike’, shared by Latin pugnus ‘fist’.
Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

tempo_n_groove

So I can't be a man whore anymore and have to be a person whore?

Now I need to change my business cards...

oftenreading

mickeyrat said:

  fuck /fʌk  / vulgar slang
▸ verb [with object]
1 have sexual intercourse with (someone).
▪ [no object] (of two people) have sexual intercourse.
2 damage or ruin (something).
▸ noun an act of sexual intercourse.
▪ [with adjective] a sexual partner of a specified ability.
▸ exclamation used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience.
– PHRASES
as — as fuck (also — as fuck) vulgar slang
possessing the specified quality to very high degree (used for emphasis).
fuck all /ˈfʌk ˌɔːl  / British vulgar slang
absolutely nothing.
give a fuck [usually with negative] vulgar slang
be concerned about or interested in something.
go fuck yourself vulgar slang
an exclamation expressing anger or contempt for, or rejection of, someone.
– PHRASAL VERBS
fuck about (or around) vulgar slang spend time doing unimportant or trivial things.
fuck someone around (or about) vulgar slang waste someone's time.
fuck off vulgar slang [usually in imperative] (of a person) go away.
fuck someone off vulgar slang make someone angry.
fuck someone over US vulgar slang treat someone in an unfair or humiliating way.
fuck someone up vulgar slang damage or confuse someone emotionally.
fuck (something) up vulgar slang do something badly or ineptly.
– ORIGIN early 16th century : of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning ‘strike’, shared by Latin pugnus ‘fist’.
Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

One of the most taboo words in English? 

Oops  

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

  fuck /fʌk  / vulgar slang
▸ verb [with object]
1 have sexual intercourse with (someone).
▪ [no object] (of two people) have sexual intercourse.
2 damage or ruin (something).
▸ noun an act of sexual intercourse.
▪ [with adjective] a sexual partner of a specified ability.
▸ exclamation used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience.
– PHRASES
as — as fuck (also — as fuck) vulgar slang
possessing the specified quality to very high degree (used for emphasis).
fuck all /ˈfʌk ˌɔːl  / British vulgar slang
absolutely nothing.
give a fuck [usually with negative] vulgar slang
be concerned about or interested in something.
go fuck yourself vulgar slang
an exclamation expressing anger or contempt for, or rejection of, someone.
– PHRASAL VERBS
fuck about (or around) vulgar slang spend time doing unimportant or trivial things.
fuck someone around (or about) vulgar slang waste someone's time.
fuck off vulgar slang [usually in imperative] (of a person) go away.
fuck someone off vulgar slang make someone angry.
fuck someone over US vulgar slang treat someone in an unfair or humiliating way.
fuck someone up vulgar slang damage or confuse someone emotionally.
fuck (something) up vulgar slang do something badly or ineptly.
– ORIGIN early 16th century : of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning ‘strike’, shared by Latin pugnus ‘fist’.
Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

I don't think the origin is correct. It is Germanic, inasmuch as English is a Germanic language.  But my understanding is that it appeared as early as the 13th or 14th century in written texts.  Now it may be around the King's consent.  That was an ancient 'custom' where a King had the right to de-flower a woman before her wedding day to one of his subjects.  Pretty barbaric, but it happened, almost exclusively in Sweden.   

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

  fuck /fʌk  / vulgar slang
▸ verb [with object]
1 have sexual intercourse with (someone).
▪ [no object] (of two people) have sexual intercourse.
2 damage or ruin (something).
▸ noun an act of sexual intercourse.
▪ [with adjective] a sexual partner of a specified ability.
▸ exclamation used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience.
– PHRASES
as — as fuck (also — as fuck) vulgar slang
possessing the specified quality to very high degree (used for emphasis).
fuck all /ˈfʌk ˌɔːl  / British vulgar slang
absolutely nothing.
give a fuck [usually with negative] vulgar slang
be concerned about or interested in something.
go fuck yourself vulgar slang
an exclamation expressing anger or contempt for, or rejection of, someone.
– PHRASAL VERBS
fuck about (or around) vulgar slang spend time doing unimportant or trivial things.
fuck someone around (or about) vulgar slang waste someone's time.
fuck off vulgar slang [usually in imperative] (of a person) go away.
fuck someone off vulgar slang make someone angry.
fuck someone over US vulgar slang treat someone in an unfair or humiliating way.
fuck someone up vulgar slang damage or confuse someone emotionally.
fuck (something) up vulgar slang do something badly or ineptly.
– ORIGIN early 16th century : of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning ‘strike’, shared by Latin pugnus ‘fist’.
Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

Fuck all that noise...

oftenreading

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

  fuck /fʌk  / vulgar slang
▸ verb [with object]
1 have sexual intercourse with (someone).
▪ [no object] (of two people) have sexual intercourse.
2 damage or ruin (something).
▸ noun an act of sexual intercourse.
▪ [with adjective] a sexual partner of a specified ability.
▸ exclamation used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience.
– PHRASES
as — as fuck (also — as fuck) vulgar slang
possessing the specified quality to very high degree (used for emphasis).
fuck all /ˈfʌk ˌɔːl  / British vulgar slang
absolutely nothing.
give a fuck [usually with negative] vulgar slang
be concerned about or interested in something.
go fuck yourself vulgar slang
an exclamation expressing anger or contempt for, or rejection of, someone.
– PHRASAL VERBS
fuck about (or around) vulgar slang spend time doing unimportant or trivial things.
fuck someone around (or about) vulgar slang waste someone's time.
fuck off vulgar slang [usually in imperative] (of a person) go away.
fuck someone off vulgar slang make someone angry.
fuck someone over US vulgar slang treat someone in an unfair or humiliating way.
fuck someone up vulgar slang damage or confuse someone emotionally.
fuck (something) up vulgar slang do something badly or ineptly.
– ORIGIN early 16th century : of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning ‘strike’, shared by Latin pugnus ‘fist’.
Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

I don't think the origin is correct. It is Germanic, inasmuch as English is a Germanic language.  But my understanding is that it appeared as early as the 13th or 14th century in written texts.  Now it may be around the King's consent.  That was an ancient 'custom' where a King had the right to de-flower a woman before her wedding day to one of his subjects.  Pretty barbaric, but it happened, almost exclusively in Sweden.   

The King’s consent thing appears to be an urban myth which has been disproved. 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

  fuck /fʌk  / vulgar slang
▸ verb [with object]
1 have sexual intercourse with (someone).
▪ [no object] (of two people) have sexual intercourse.
2 damage or ruin (something).
▸ noun an act of sexual intercourse.
▪ [with adjective] a sexual partner of a specified ability.
▸ exclamation used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience.
– PHRASES
as — as fuck (also — as fuck) vulgar slang
possessing the specified quality to very high degree (used for emphasis).
fuck all /ˈfʌk ˌɔːl  / British vulgar slang
absolutely nothing.
give a fuck [usually with negative] vulgar slang
be concerned about or interested in something.
go fuck yourself vulgar slang
an exclamation expressing anger or contempt for, or rejection of, someone.
– PHRASAL VERBS
fuck about (or around) vulgar slang spend time doing unimportant or trivial things.
fuck someone around (or about) vulgar slang waste someone's time.
fuck off vulgar slang [usually in imperative] (of a person) go away.
fuck someone off vulgar slang make someone angry.
fuck someone over US vulgar slang treat someone in an unfair or humiliating way.
fuck someone up vulgar slang damage or confuse someone emotionally.
fuck (something) up vulgar slang do something badly or ineptly.
– ORIGIN early 16th century : of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning ‘strike’, shared by Latin pugnus ‘fist’.
Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

I don't think the origin is correct. It is Germanic, inasmuch as English is a Germanic language.  But my understanding is that it appeared as early as the 13th or 14th century in written texts.  Now it may be around the King's consent.  That was an ancient 'custom' where a King had the right to de-flower a woman before her wedding day to one of his subjects.  Pretty barbaric, but it happened, almost exclusively in Sweden.   

The King’s consent thing appears to be an urban myth which has been disproved. 

Disproved by historians or the internet?  Also, I've also been more inclined to the belief that it was For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, a violation of the Church law.  

oftenreading

Also, as a general rule of thumb, very few words originally derive from acronyms, and those that do are relatively new ones. 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

Also, as a general rule of thumb, very few words originally derive from acronyms, and those that do are relatively new ones. 

I agree that acronyms are relatively recent in history, but I'm not sure that closes the case.  I always found this one interesting.  I just read the "Snopes" on this, but I think the author makes a conclusion based on a bad assumption.  He says the because the stocks would treat the word "for" as superfluous, it can't be the origin.  That seems like rather silly evidence, using that as your only reason.  Now it's hard to prove a negative, proving that something didn't exist, so I get that.  I'm still going to use it though.  

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

Also, as a general rule of thumb, very few words originally derive from acronyms, and those that do are relatively new ones. 

I agree that acronyms are relatively recent in history, but I'm not sure that closes the case.  I always found this one interesting.  I just read the "Snopes" on this, but I think the author makes a conclusion based on a bad assumption.  He says the because the stocks would treat the word "for" as superfluous, it can't be the origin.  That seems like rather silly evidence, using that as your only reason.  Now it's hard to prove a negative, proving that something didn't exist, so I get that.  I'm still going to use it though.  

Van Halen used it on their album too!

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

  fuck /fʌk  / vulgar slang
▸ verb [with object]
1 have sexual intercourse with (someone).
▪ [no object] (of two people) have sexual intercourse.
2 damage or ruin (something).
▸ noun an act of sexual intercourse.
▪ [with adjective] a sexual partner of a specified ability.
▸ exclamation used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience.
– PHRASES
as — as fuck (also — as fuck) vulgar slang
possessing the specified quality to very high degree (used for emphasis).
fuck all /ˈfʌk ˌɔːl  / British vulgar slang
absolutely nothing.
give a fuck [usually with negative] vulgar slang
be concerned about or interested in something.
go fuck yourself vulgar slang
an exclamation expressing anger or contempt for, or rejection of, someone.
– PHRASAL VERBS
fuck about (or around) vulgar slang spend time doing unimportant or trivial things.
fuck someone around (or about) vulgar slang waste someone's time.
fuck off vulgar slang [usually in imperative] (of a person) go away.
fuck someone off vulgar slang make someone angry.
fuck someone over US vulgar slang treat someone in an unfair or humiliating way.
fuck someone up vulgar slang damage or confuse someone emotionally.
fuck (something) up vulgar slang do something badly or ineptly.
– ORIGIN early 16th century : of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning ‘strike’, shared by Latin pugnus ‘fist’.
Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

I don't think the origin is correct. It is Germanic, inasmuch as English is a Germanic language.  But my understanding is that it appeared as early as the 13th or 14th century in written texts.  Now it may be around the King's consent.  That was an ancient 'custom' where a King had the right to de-flower a woman before her wedding day to one of his subjects.  Pretty barbaric, but it happened, almost exclusively in Sweden.   

websters lists it first known use as a verb  is 14 century, based on the swedish and dutch shown above...

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

  fuck /fʌk  / vulgar slang
▸ verb [with object]
1 have sexual intercourse with (someone).
▪ [no object] (of two people) have sexual intercourse.
2 damage or ruin (something).
▸ noun an act of sexual intercourse.
▪ [with adjective] a sexual partner of a specified ability.
▸ exclamation used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience.
– PHRASES
as — as fuck (also — as fuck) vulgar slang
possessing the specified quality to very high degree (used for emphasis).
fuck all /ˈfʌk ˌɔːl  / British vulgar slang
absolutely nothing.
give a fuck [usually with negative] vulgar slang
be concerned about or interested in something.
go fuck yourself vulgar slang
an exclamation expressing anger or contempt for, or rejection of, someone.
– PHRASAL VERBS
fuck about (or around) vulgar slang spend time doing unimportant or trivial things.
fuck someone around (or about) vulgar slang waste someone's time.
fuck off vulgar slang [usually in imperative] (of a person) go away.
fuck someone off vulgar slang make someone angry.
fuck someone over US vulgar slang treat someone in an unfair or humiliating way.
fuck someone up vulgar slang damage or confuse someone emotionally.
fuck (something) up vulgar slang do something badly or ineptly.
– ORIGIN early 16th century : of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning ‘strike’, shared by Latin pugnus ‘fist’.
Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

I don't think the origin is correct. It is Germanic, inasmuch as English is a Germanic language.  But my understanding is that it appeared as early as the 13th or 14th century in written texts.  Now it may be around the King's consent.  That was an ancient 'custom' where a King had the right to de-flower a woman before her wedding day to one of his subjects.  Pretty barbaric, but it happened, almost exclusively in Sweden.   

websters lists it first known use as 14 century....

Probably in the context of "what's with all these fucking rats"?  

That was a plague joke...