Outrage Culture

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

I just don't understand why you're talking about false accusations in the context of outrage culture at all. TBH, I feel like this big focus generally going on with the false accusation thing is a much better example of "outrage culture" than a story that ends up being a false accusation is. Again, there is nothing wrong with feeling outrage over what is thought to be a hate crime.

mcgruff10

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

dignin

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

Outraged by the outrage.

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

But the outrage came before anyone knew there was no crime (there usually is one), and there are real reasons to be upset about rich entitled white kids when rich entitled white kids commit hate crimes and when schools don't do enough to prevent a school culture where they are occurring ..... Makes no sense. I mean, it makes sense, but not in the context of outrage culture. Under the assumption that the crime had actually happened, that outrage was justified. I just think it's a poor example to be used in an argument about outrage culture. Same with the Jussie Smollet or whatever his name is situation. IF that had happened, that outrage would have been justified. And the outrage that came after the guy was found to be lying was actually more intense, which was also justified. 

I feel like better examples reside with behaviour on social media that isn't actually related to real news stories. Like when a parent punishes their kid and advertises it on social media for a laugh or as a good example of parenting and some people express complete outrage because the kid was embarrassed by the punishment. Or when someone posts a photo of a dog dressed up like an idiot or when the dog parent plays a funny trick on the dog, and there are the hundreds of inevitable replies about how it's animal abuse, lol. Outrage about what appears to be blatant hate crimes just doesn't seem to qualify.

rgambs

I agree with you PJ_Soul, the false accusations being injected into the outrage culture don't really fit.

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

I agree with you PJ_Soul, the false accusations being injected into the outrage culture don't really fit.

They fit in my mind and a lot of people I talk to at work agree.  Moving on.  

PJ_Soul

Probably just a side effect of this completely lop-sided focus on false accusations.

mcgruff10

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

Outraged by the outrage.

More like Just tired of the bs on each side. 

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

Why do you say the girl was “obviously lying”? In the end it seems that she was lying, but when you say “obviously lying” it makes it sound like you think it was obvious from the start. It isn’t unknown for black kids to be bullied about their hair, and it was just a few months ago that a black wrestler was forced by a wrestling judge to have his dreadlocks cut off. 

mickeyrat

my definition.

outrage culture=visceral emotional reaction without any investigation into xyz. no thought, just emotionally manipulated.

dignin

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

Outraged by the outrage.

More like Just tired of the bs on each side. 

That's fair.

Twitter and the like are cesspools. I find it best to ignore any articles that reference "Twitter outraged!" 

oftenreading

rgambs said:

I agree with you PJ_Soul, the false accusations being injected into the outrage culture don't really fit.

I'll third that. It's conflating two different issues. 

mcgruff10

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

Outraged by the outrage.

More like Just tired of the bs on each side. 

That's fair.

Twitter and the like are cesspools. I find it best to ignore any articles that reference "Twitter outraged!" 

Agreed, Facebook is even worse.  The amount of outrage I see on both sides is sickening.  

mcgruff10

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

Why do you say the girl was “obviously lying”? In the end it seems that she was lying, but when you say “obviously lying” it makes it sound like you think it was obvious from the start. It isn’t unknown for black kids to be bullied about their hair, and it was just a few months ago that a black wrestler was forced by a wrestling judge to have his dreadlocks cut off. 

The dreadlock story was in New Jersey and their was definitely two sides to that story. Totally not the same thing. 
When I read the original story I linked I honestly didn’t believe it, something did not sit right with me hence the word “obviously” being used. Kids have a happen to make stuff up on occasion.  

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

Why do you say the girl was “obviously lying”? In the end it seems that she was lying, but when you say “obviously lying” it makes it sound like you think it was obvious from the start. It isn’t unknown for black kids to be bullied about their hair, and it was just a few months ago that a black wrestler was forced by a wrestling judge to have his dreadlocks cut off. 

The dreadlock story was in New Jersey and their was definitely two sides to that story. Totally not the same thing. 
When I read the original story I linked I honestly didn’t believe it, something did not sit right with me hence the word “obviously” being used. Kids have a happen to make stuff up on occasion.  

What specifically did you not believe, and why? Kids sometimes make things up and kids sometimes get bullied and abused. Why would you not believe this kid when you didn’t have evidence either way? 

oftenreading

And of course the dreadlock story is not the same thing - i didn’t say it was the same thing. It’s an example of other times when black kids have been mistreated due to their hair. 

mickeyrat

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

Why do you say the girl was “obviously lying”? In the end it seems that she was lying, but when you say “obviously lying” it makes it sound like you think it was obvious from the start. It isn’t unknown for black kids to be bullied about their hair, and it was just a few months ago that a black wrestler was forced by a wrestling judge to have his dreadlocks cut off. 

The dreadlock story was in New Jersey and their was definitely two sides to that story. Totally not the same thing. 
When I read the original story I linked I honestly didn’t believe it, something did not sit right with me hence the word “obviously” being used. Kids have a happen to make stuff up on occasion.  

What specifically did you not believe, and why? Kids sometimes make things up and kids sometimes get bullied and abused. Why would you not believe this kid when you didn’t have evidence either way? 

during recess? with observers present?(assuming there were,  unless thats changed in the last 40 yrs.)

mcgruff10

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

Why do you say the girl was “obviously lying”? In the end it seems that she was lying, but when you say “obviously lying” it makes it sound like you think it was obvious from the start. It isn’t unknown for black kids to be bullied about their hair, and it was just a few months ago that a black wrestler was forced by a wrestling judge to have his dreadlocks cut off. 

The dreadlock story was in New Jersey and their was definitely two sides to that story. Totally not the same thing. 
When I read the original story I linked I honestly didn’t believe it, something did not sit right with me hence the word “obviously” being used. Kids have a happen to make stuff up on occasion.  

What specifically did you not believe, and why? Kids sometimes make things up and kids sometimes get bullied and abused. Why would you not believe this kid when you didn’t have evidence either way? 

I didn’t believe the story because something didn’t sit right with me.  Just a gut instinct I guess.