Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations. He was very impressive. Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).
All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.
Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.
Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.
When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point. It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.
Well, he says "I, as a male politician..." and he's right. I don't take that as dividing by gender, he's speaking for himself. [And I don't want to turn this thread into an abortion debate, but, as a woman who had to make that hard choice: even though my husband's research and support were appreciated, and even though I would have taken his feelings into consideration, ultimately there was no doubt in my mind that the decision was MINE to make.]
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
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Anyway -- some will try to paint anyone with an IQ above room temperature as an "elitist" -- if you stop and think, this makes no sense. Do you really want the drunk at the end of the bar running the country?? (Apparently, some people do; the election of 45 seems to have been driven at least in part by people who wanted to burn it all down.)
But if you have listened to "Mayor Pete" speak, you probably have noticed that he's able to speak to people plainly and to meet them where they are. He's presenting himself as someone who can speak to voters who chose Obama and then... the other one. He has the ability to make people feel that he sees them.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations. He was very impressive. Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).
All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.
Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.
Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.
When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point. It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.
Well, he says "I, as a male politician..." and he's right. I don't take that as dividing by gender, he's speaking for himself. [And I don't want to turn this thread into an abortion debate, but, as a woman who had to make that hard choice: even though my husband's research and support were appreciated, and even though I would have taken his feelings into consideration, ultimately there was no doubt in my mind that the decision was MINE to make.]
Time to let that GOP loving into your heart. They only want what's best for you.
Anyway -- some will try to paint anyone with an IQ above room temperature as an "elitist" -- if you stop and think, this makes no sense. Do you really want the drunk at the end of the bar running the country?? (Apparently, some people do; the election of 45 seems to have been driven at least in part by people who wanted to burn it all down.)
But if you have listened to "Mayor Pete" speak, you probably have noticed that he's able to speak to people plainly and to meet them where they are. He's presenting himself as someone who can speak to voters who chose Obama and then... the other one. He has the ability to make people feel that he sees them.
agree. really like what I've heard so far. now on to direct policy proposals....
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Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations. He was very impressive. Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).
All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.
Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.
Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.
When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point. It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.
Well, he says "I, as a male politician..." and he's right. I don't take that as dividing by gender, he's speaking for himself. [And I don't want to turn this thread into an abortion debate, but, as a woman who had to make that hard choice: even though my husband's research and support were appreciated, and even though I would have taken his feelings into consideration, ultimately there was no doubt in my mind that the decision was MINE to make.]
Time to let that GOP loving into your heart. They only want what's best for you.
LOL. Thanks, but I'm a big girl and can figure that out myself.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations. He was very impressive. Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).
All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.
Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.
Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.
When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point. It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.
Well, he says "I, as a male politician..." and he's right. I don't take that as dividing by gender, he's speaking for himself. [And I don't want to turn this thread into an abortion debate, but, as a woman who had to make that hard choice: even though my husband's research and support were appreciated, and even though I would have taken his feelings into consideration, ultimately there was no doubt in my mind that the decision was MINE to make.]
Time to let that GOP loving into your heart. They only want what's best for you.
LOL. Thanks, but I'm a big girl and can figure that out myself.
No really, let them help.
Let President Trump choose your ethics for yourself.
Looking forward to this. Looks like their going to get some weather. I see this getting built up as some “announcement”. I guess he’s running for president, lol. I think we know this already, Pete! I hope maybe he unveils some specific policy ideas.
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Looking forward to this. Looks like their going to get some weather. I see this getting built up as some “announcement”. I guess he’s running for president, lol. I think we know this already, Pete! I hope maybe he unveils some specific policy ideas.
He confirmed (pretty much) he was gonna announce in his hometown/state on Ellen.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Really like Pete totally genuine human being , I’d vote for him I hope he has thick skin for the evil crap that will surely come from all his opponents even from his own party..
Lol, could you imagine all these people coming, a big elaborate setup, and he announces he’s decided not to run. Lol, that would be hilarious.
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The whole family is going to a watch party this afternoon. We're excited! My son is making plans to work on a campaign; he's torn between Buttigieg and Harris. I'm hoping the momentum keeps growing,
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
See here is a candidate that I certainly don’t agree with on every issue. Some complete opposites. But he is smart, sincere and has a straightforward matter of fact manner about him. This is the kind of candidate the Dems need to run.
I am really of two minds about the Christian faith aspect here. I can, to some extent, agree with his strategy of "taking back" the faith angle from the republicans (particularly as they have made such an extraordinarily hypocritical mess of it) but I would prefer to see it taken completely out of the picture for elections, and governance in general.
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See here is a candidate that I certainly don’t agree with on every issue. Some complete opposites. But he is smart, sincere and has a straightforward matter of fact manner about him. This is the kind of candidate the Dems need to run.
Agreed. I think he's got some of Obama's ability to sell an important message through a meaningful story, and the fact that he's such an eloquent speaker is sure to help. He's also not sugar-coating the direness of certain issues, yet is still not leading through fear of the future but rather talking about calls to action. I agree with that approach if the world wants a future at all.
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I am really of two minds about the Christian faith aspect here. I can, to some extent, agree with his strategy of "taking back" the faith angle from the republicans (particularly as they have made such an extraordinarily hypocritical mess of it) but I would prefer to see it taken completely out of the picture for elections, and governance in general.
I've seen religion bastardized way too much to not be skeptical, but a devout Christian man who also happens to be gay must also have witnessed the imperfections in religion, and I have to believe he'd have a more balanced perspective than others. So far he hasn't spoken with that aura of "because God tells me I'm chosen to do this", and hasn't read out of the undue thought control playbook yet as far as I've seen.
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Pete will be on Rachel Maddow's show tonight.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
This is a gussied-up version of "thoughts and prayers." What about the guns, Mayor Pete?
I think there's a pretty large difference between "our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims" and "we cannot rest until hate has no home". A call to action can make a pretty benign statement into something useful.
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This is a gussied-up version of "thoughts and prayers." What about the guns, Mayor Pete?
I think there's a pretty large difference between "our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims" and "we cannot rest until hate has no home". A call to action can make a pretty benign statement into something useful.
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Time to let that GOP loving into your heart. They only want what's best for you.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Let President Trump choose your ethics for yourself.
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and...Go Pete go!