Pete Buttigieg....Here’s your new president PJ :)

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

“Came off as intellectual?  No thank you.”
—America 

cincybearcat

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

“Came off as intellectual?  No thank you.”
—America 

Yeah I know. But even when you disagree with him he came across as someone you should at least listen to. Very impressive really. A lot to like.

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.

Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.

When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point.  It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.

Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.

When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point.  It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.

The devil’s in the details. Now, that’s one example of the “usual stupid liberal talking points.” Were there any others? And what “big picture” did I miss? Sorry, you chose to mention that “minute” detail, you know message boards and all.

As for abortion being a sexist issue, it is. Name one medical procedure men can get that has been banned or both genders are trying to get banned because of some moral high ground. Do you really think that if men could carry embryos to term, we’d be having this conversation?

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.

Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.

When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point.  It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.

The devil’s in the details. Now, that’s one example of the “usual stupid liberal talking points.” Were there any others? And what “big picture” did I miss? Sorry, you chose to mention that “minute” detail, you know message boards and all.

As for abortion being a sexist issue, it is. Name one medical procedure men can get that has been banned or both genders are trying to get banned because of some moral high ground. Do you really think that if men could carry embryos to term, we’d be having this conversation?

This is why I didn't include the issues.  I'm not going to debate abortion with you here.  

I'm certain there were a few other instances of what I believe is the liberal talking points.  Cause I believe that not just the conservative do that.  But I do not remember at this point.  I usually hear them and then disregard mostly anyhow.  

Anyhow - I was impressed by him as a speaker...as someone who had well thought-out positions/opinions (even if I might disagree).  I doubt he actually gets a fair shake because 1) He is in a crowded field 2) He's the mayor of a small city....but he made a good case to me in a short amount of time.  Will be interesting to see how his candidacy plays out. He seems to have a bright future at the moment.

PJ_Soul

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

“Came off as intellectual?  No thank you.”
—America 

Indeed.

The anti-intellectualism trend is so pathetic. Embarrassing, really.

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oftenreading

mickeyrat said:

A wonderful response. If this was the overwhelming response across the world, it would mean a lot. 

Tim Simmons

Really impressed with this guy.

josevolution

Raised over 7million would love to see him debate the idiot ..

curmudgeoness

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.

Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.

When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point.  It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.

Well, he says "I, as a male politician..." and he's right. I don't take that as dividing by gender, he's speaking for himself. [And I don't want to turn this thread into an abortion debate, but, as a woman who had to make that hard choice: even though my husband's research and support were appreciated, and even though I would have taken his feelings into consideration, ultimately there was no doubt in my mind that the decision was MINE to make.]

curmudgeoness

Anyway -- some will try to paint anyone with an IQ above room temperature as an "elitist" -- if you stop and think, this makes no sense. Do you really want the drunk at the end of the bar running the country?? (Apparently, some people do; the election of 45 seems to have been driven at least in part by people who wanted to burn it all down.)

But if you have listened to "Mayor Pete" speak, you probably have noticed that he's able to speak to people plainly and to meet them where they are. He's presenting himself as someone who can speak to voters who chose Obama and then... the other one. He has the ability to make people feel that he sees them.  

Lerxst1992

curmudgeoness said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.

Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.

When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point.  It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.

Well, he says "I, as a male politician..." and he's right. I don't take that as dividing by gender, he's speaking for himself. [And I don't want to turn this thread into an abortion debate, but, as a woman who had to make that hard choice: even though my husband's research and support were appreciated, and even though I would have taken his feelings into consideration, ultimately there was no doubt in my mind that the decision was MINE to make.]

Time to let that GOP loving into your heart. They only want what's best for you.

mickeyrat

curmudgeoness said:

Anyway -- some will try to paint anyone with an IQ above room temperature as an "elitist" -- if you stop and think, this makes no sense. Do you really want the drunk at the end of the bar running the country?? (Apparently, some people do; the election of 45 seems to have been driven at least in part by people who wanted to burn it all down.)

But if you have listened to "Mayor Pete" speak, you probably have noticed that he's able to speak to people plainly and to meet them where they are. He's presenting himself as someone who can speak to voters who chose Obama and then... the other one. He has the ability to make people feel that he sees them.  

agree. really like what I've heard so far. now on to direct policy proposals....

curmudgeoness

Lerxst1992 said:

curmudgeoness said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.

Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.

When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point.  It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.

Well, he says "I, as a male politician..." and he's right. I don't take that as dividing by gender, he's speaking for himself. [And I don't want to turn this thread into an abortion debate, but, as a woman who had to make that hard choice: even though my husband's research and support were appreciated, and even though I would have taken his feelings into consideration, ultimately there was no doubt in my mind that the decision was MINE to make.]

Time to let that GOP loving into your heart. They only want what's best for you.

LOL. Thanks, but I'm a big girl and can figure that out myself.

Lerxst1992

curmudgeoness said:

Lerxst1992 said:

curmudgeoness said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Just heard this guy on MSNBC (on radio only) as I was flipping between 3 news stations.  He was very impressive.  Again, I'm not aligned with him on every issue for sure and I need to look closely at that, but he was very put together, came off as intellectual, had some interesting perspectives...and still managed to throw in a few of the usual stupid liberal talking points meant to spark outrage (but they all do that).

All in all he is someone that people should at least should be wanting to learn more about and keep in mind.  

Enlighten us to the “usual stupid liberal talking points meant to ‘spark outrage,’” please.

Man you always focus on minute details instead of the big picture.

When discussing “late term abortions”, he kept saying that male politicians have no business in it and it’s up to women and doctors. In reality, I thought the liberal stance was no politician has business. That I understand. The fact that he kept repeating Male and women so much is a liberal talking point.  It helps drive outrage and mobilize people. It makes a very serious issue of life and tries to paint it as a sexist issue. It is sexist for some I’m sure, but certainly not for all. If he had left it at “politicians” should have no voice, only doctors and the affected people (women, husband) I would have no issue with his statement. I mean I might not agree but it’s a very valid and arguable position. The rest is just meant to divide.

Well, he says "I, as a male politician..." and he's right. I don't take that as dividing by gender, he's speaking for himself. [And I don't want to turn this thread into an abortion debate, but, as a woman who had to make that hard choice: even though my husband's research and support were appreciated, and even though I would have taken his feelings into consideration, ultimately there was no doubt in my mind that the decision was MINE to make.]

Time to let that GOP loving into your heart. They only want what's best for you.

LOL. Thanks, but I'm a big girl and can figure that out myself.

No really, let them help.

Let President Trump choose your ethics for yourself.

Bentleyspop

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Hi!

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/millerlight1995/status/1117041287767764992?s=19

Looking forward to this. Looks like their going to get some weather. I see this getting built up as some “announcement”. I guess he’s running for president, lol. I think we know this already, Pete! I hope maybe he unveils some specific policy ideas.