Police investigate after reports Phoenix woman in coma for decade gave birth

Gern Blansten

DNA testing can solve it.  Holy shit

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

DNA testing can solve it.  Holy shit

well, yeah, only if the father's DNA is on file, or they have grounds to obtain it. 

josevolution

yeah this makes me sick how disturbed are people around us ...

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

This is completely and utterly disgusting.  Even knowing it's true I can't imagine it.  

I bet it happens more often than most people think.

Probably does. you just don't often get the "prize" at the end. 

No doubt. I mean, thinking about how often women are groped in crowded trains and when they are sleeping, drunk, etc etc, I actually don't find it hard to believe that there are guys out there ready and willing to rape coma patients or vegetative women at all. That is the world women live in every day of their lives, so perhaps this is more surprising to non-horrible men than it is for women in general.

"non-horrible men". lol. 

it may seem crazy, but this whole me too stuff really made me realize what you just outlined. through all of the articles and online postings, etc, it is really incredible to think of how different my existence would be if I was female. the different routes you take, the people you give a second look at, none of this affects me directly, like, ever. Maybe if I'm core area downtown, which I never am, but I have never required the buddy system or anything like that. I always laughed at women going to the bathroom together. Like, why the fuck would you want to do that as a team? Oh, right, there might be some Chad in there waiting to stick his finger in you. Fuck. 

Like, I was always the guy that would walk a woman to her car at night, or make sure she got home safe from a party, but it's not just at night. it's all the fucking time. that blew me away that women felt threatened, or could feel threatened, at any point of the day, no matter where they are. 

joe rogan posted an op-ed of a woman who was a cable "guy". her stories were horrifying. And this was during the day, and going into other people's homes and they did things even though she knew where they fucking lived and could easily report it. but it didn't matter because of our male-dominated and -believed society. that's fucked up. 

Yes, and the really crazy thing to me is that women have clearly become so accustomed to this reality and way of life that I think it took the #metoo movement to remind us all that it's not fucking acceptable. I mean, we knew it wasn't, but most of us still just accepted it anyhow. It's like we'd all been brainwashed or cowed into taking it without complaint. And that is terrible, because once women are in that state of mind, they obviously aren't going to be doing much to change things for the better or fight for themselves and their right to not walk around in fear and a state of self-defense every day. I'd say that the sudden increase in self-awareness and in shared awareness as far as this goes is by FAR the most valuable result of #metoo... In retrospect, I'm actually surprised it took so long. The sad thing is that it's still not enough. But it's a decent step forward perhaps... even though we're still all walking around in that ingrained self-defense mode. Men and society need more than #metoo for the danger to go away. Of course there is a lot of blow back against #metoo as well. And I can't tell you how many times I've seen right wingers try to call it an extreme left movement. Idiots. The ignorance is willful and cruel. And then there are the fucking creeps who think #metoo means they can't be alone at work with women, can't hire women, can't ask women out, etc. Yeeaaaahhhhh, there's a long way to go!

cincybearcat

The #metoo movement was very overdue for sure. It is a great thing. 

I can see hiw it could make men nervous in some situations. Cause it’s flipped...use to be the mans word was all that mattered (if no evidence). Now it’s more so the other way. So that can cause issues the other way...though that is far less likely.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

DNA testing can solve it.  Holy shit

well, yeah, only if the father's DNA is on file, or they have grounds to obtain it. 

A request for male staff members' DNA by police investigators:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/police-seeking-dna-of-male-staff-at-health-care-facility-where-woman-in-vegetative-state-gave-birth/ar-BBRZDs3?ocid=spartanntp

brianlux

One word: Disgusting.

mace1229

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

DNA testing can solve it.  Holy shit

well, yeah, only if the father's DNA is on file, or they have grounds to obtain it. 

A request for male staff members' DNA by police investigators:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/police-seeking-dna-of-male-staff-at-health-care-facility-where-woman-in-vegetative-state-gave-birth/ar-BBRZDs3?ocid=spartanntp

DIdn't have time to read the article yet, but I assume it is just voluntary at this point. DNA usually requires a warrant, and I don't know how you'd convince a judge to issue a warrant based off gender.
DNA is probably the only shot they have at solving this, but I don't think it is very high.

Meltdown99

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

DNA testing can solve it.  Holy shit

well, yeah, only if the father's DNA is on file, or they have grounds to obtain it. 

A request for male staff members' DNA by police investigators:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/police-seeking-dna-of-male-staff-at-health-care-facility-where-woman-in-vegetative-state-gave-birth/ar-BBRZDs3?ocid=spartanntp

DIdn't have time to read the article yet, but I assume it is just voluntary at this point. DNA usually requires a warrant, and I don't know how you'd convince a judge to issue a warrant based off gender.
DNA is probably the only shot they have at solving this, but I don't think it is very high.

I believe they have obtained search warrants.

mace1229

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

DNA testing can solve it.  Holy shit

well, yeah, only if the father's DNA is on file, or they have grounds to obtain it. 

A request for male staff members' DNA by police investigators:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/police-seeking-dna-of-male-staff-at-health-care-facility-where-woman-in-vegetative-state-gave-birth/ar-BBRZDs3?ocid=spartanntp

DIdn't have time to read the article yet, but I assume it is just voluntary at this point. DNA usually requires a warrant, and I don't know how you'd convince a judge to issue a warrant based off gender.
DNA is probably the only shot they have at solving this, but I don't think it is very high.

I believe they have obtained search warrants.

It does report there was a warrant. I am shocked that got approved, for a blanket search warrant for every male faculty member. That's like if a woman gets raped at home, then the police obtain a warrant for every male's DNA in the entire apartment complex she lives in. They need more cause than gender and where you worked to grant that. I would think if they narrow it down to only 3 different employees who worked closely with her during the time of inception, that I can see.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the guy is caught and some fancy lawyer had the DNA results thrown out due to an invalid warrant-no cause.

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

Police investigate after reports Phoenix woman in coma for decade gave birth

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy

Damn is this real , someone that works in the facility is responsible..

Yes, it's real.  I am not so sure it is an employee, hospital security is not always that good.  When my mother was in the hospital with a broken hip her roommate was getting visitors all hours.  I know hospitals around here have relaxed rules in regard to visitors. I'm not saying it's not an employee of the hospital, I just know from when my mother was in the hospital, the staff is to busy to monitor who is visiting.

I work in a hospital and no one gets in with out showing proof of who you’re there to visit , but these facilities don’t have the same security procedures I’d be shocked if it’s not an employee..

South Nassau I walked in and out as I pleased.  No security check and I don't look like the boy next door, lol.

Seriously though, who has sex w someone in a coma?!?

Meltdown99

mace1229 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

DNA testing can solve it.  Holy shit

well, yeah, only if the father's DNA is on file, or they have grounds to obtain it. 

A request for male staff members' DNA by police investigators:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/police-seeking-dna-of-male-staff-at-health-care-facility-where-woman-in-vegetative-state-gave-birth/ar-BBRZDs3?ocid=spartanntp

DIdn't have time to read the article yet, but I assume it is just voluntary at this point. DNA usually requires a warrant, and I don't know how you'd convince a judge to issue a warrant based off gender.
DNA is probably the only shot they have at solving this, but I don't think it is very high.

I believe they have obtained search warrants.

It does report there was a warrant. I am shocked that got approved, for a blanket search warrant for every male faculty member. That's like if a woman gets raped at home, then the police obtain a warrant for every male's DNA in the entire apartment complex she lives in. They need more cause than gender and where you worked to grant that. I would think if they narrow it down to only 3 different employees who worked closely with her during the time of inception, that I can see.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the guy is caught and some fancy lawyer had the DNA results thrown out due to an invalid warrant-no cause.

I was surprised they obtain a search warrant that covers all male employees.  I would suspect that some employees will retain a lawyer and challenge the warrant in court.

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

Police investigate after reports Phoenix woman in coma for decade gave birth

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy

Damn is this real , someone that works in the facility is responsible..

Yes, it's real.  I am not so sure it is an employee, hospital security is not always that good.  When my mother was in the hospital with a broken hip her roommate was getting visitors all hours.  I know hospitals around here have relaxed rules in regard to visitors. I'm not saying it's not an employee of the hospital, I just know from when my mother was in the hospital, the staff is to busy to monitor who is visiting.

I work in a hospital and no one gets in with out showing proof of who you’re there to visit , but these facilities don’t have the same security procedures I’d be shocked if it’s not an employee..

South Nassau I walked in and out as I pleased.  No security check and I don't look like the boy next door, lol.

Seriously though, who has sex w someone in a coma?!?

It's not even that unusual a fetish - there are loads of porn vids out there about this, as well as molesting people who are passed out or sleeping or whatever. And necrophiliacs also will do this as a kind of stand in for dead people. :-/

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

Police investigate after reports Phoenix woman in coma for decade gave birth

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy

Damn is this real , someone that works in the facility is responsible..

Yes, it's real.  I am not so sure it is an employee, hospital security is not always that good.  When my mother was in the hospital with a broken hip her roommate was getting visitors all hours.  I know hospitals around here have relaxed rules in regard to visitors. I'm not saying it's not an employee of the hospital, I just know from when my mother was in the hospital, the staff is to busy to monitor who is visiting.

I work in a hospital and no one gets in with out showing proof of who you’re there to visit , but these facilities don’t have the same security procedures I’d be shocked if it’s not an employee..

South Nassau I walked in and out as I pleased.  No security check and I don't look like the boy next door, lol.

Seriously though, who has sex w someone in a coma?!?

It's not even that unusual a fetish - there are loads of porn vids out there about this, as well as molesting people who are passed out or sleeping or whatever. And necrophiliacs also will do this as a kind of stand in for dead people. :-/

I knew it was a thing or fetish. But I wouldn't have guessed it wasn't unusual. I would have guessed it was actually pretty rare.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

Police investigate after reports Phoenix woman in coma for decade gave birth

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy

Damn is this real , someone that works in the facility is responsible..

Yes, it's real.  I am not so sure it is an employee, hospital security is not always that good.  When my mother was in the hospital with a broken hip her roommate was getting visitors all hours.  I know hospitals around here have relaxed rules in regard to visitors. I'm not saying it's not an employee of the hospital, I just know from when my mother was in the hospital, the staff is to busy to monitor who is visiting.

I work in a hospital and no one gets in with out showing proof of who you’re there to visit , but these facilities don’t have the same security procedures I’d be shocked if it’s not an employee..

South Nassau I walked in and out as I pleased.  No security check and I don't look like the boy next door, lol.

Seriously though, who has sex w someone in a coma?!?

It's not even that unusual a fetish - there are loads of porn vids out there about this, as well as molesting people who are passed out or sleeping or whatever. And necrophiliacs also will do this as a kind of stand in for dead people. :-/

I knew it was a thing or fetish. But I wouldn't have guessed it wasn't unusual. I would have guessed it was actually pretty rare.

I think what's actually rare is simply the opportunity to do it. :(

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

Police investigate after reports Phoenix woman in coma for decade gave birth

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy

Damn is this real , someone that works in the facility is responsible..

Yes, it's real.  I am not so sure it is an employee, hospital security is not always that good.  When my mother was in the hospital with a broken hip her roommate was getting visitors all hours.  I know hospitals around here have relaxed rules in regard to visitors. I'm not saying it's not an employee of the hospital, I just know from when my mother was in the hospital, the staff is to busy to monitor who is visiting.

I work in a hospital and no one gets in with out showing proof of who you’re there to visit , but these facilities don’t have the same security procedures I’d be shocked if it’s not an employee..

South Nassau I walked in and out as I pleased.  No security check and I don't look like the boy next door, lol.

Seriously though, who has sex w someone in a coma?!?

It's not even that unusual a fetish - there are loads of porn vids out there about this, as well as molesting people who are passed out or sleeping or whatever. And necrophiliacs also will do this as a kind of stand in for dead people. :-/

You must have one really freaky side to you...
  

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

Police investigate after reports Phoenix woman in coma for decade gave birth

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy

Damn is this real , someone that works in the facility is responsible..

Yes, it's real.  I am not so sure it is an employee, hospital security is not always that good.  When my mother was in the hospital with a broken hip her roommate was getting visitors all hours.  I know hospitals around here have relaxed rules in regard to visitors. I'm not saying it's not an employee of the hospital, I just know from when my mother was in the hospital, the staff is to busy to monitor who is visiting.

I work in a hospital and no one gets in with out showing proof of who you’re there to visit , but these facilities don’t have the same security procedures I’d be shocked if it’s not an employee..

South Nassau I walked in and out as I pleased.  No security check and I don't look like the boy next door, lol.

Seriously though, who has sex w someone in a coma?!?

It's not even that unusual a fetish - there are loads of porn vids out there about this, as well as molesting people who are passed out or sleeping or whatever. And necrophiliacs also will do this as a kind of stand in for dead people. :-/

You must have one really freaky side to you...
  

No, I'm just invested in knowing what sickos are out there, since women need to protect themselves from them on a daily basis.

Meltdown99

I can only imagine what terrible acts people commit on crowded subways/buses/trains...

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

Police investigate after reports Phoenix woman in coma for decade gave birth

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy

Damn is this real , someone that works in the facility is responsible..

Yes, it's real.  I am not so sure it is an employee, hospital security is not always that good.  When my mother was in the hospital with a broken hip her roommate was getting visitors all hours.  I know hospitals around here have relaxed rules in regard to visitors. I'm not saying it's not an employee of the hospital, I just know from when my mother was in the hospital, the staff is to busy to monitor who is visiting.

I work in a hospital and no one gets in with out showing proof of who you’re there to visit , but these facilities don’t have the same security procedures I’d be shocked if it’s not an employee..

South Nassau I walked in and out as I pleased.  No security check and I don't look like the boy next door, lol.

Seriously though, who has sex w someone in a coma?!?

It's not even that unusual a fetish - there are loads of porn vids out there about this, as well as molesting people who are passed out or sleeping or whatever. And necrophiliacs also will do this as a kind of stand in for dead people. :-/

You must have one really freaky side to you...
  

No, I'm just invested in knowing what sickos are out there, since women need to protect themselves from them on a daily basis.

You sound like my sister, my sister has always maintained you need to be self-aware.   

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

I can only imagine what terrible acts people commit on crowded subways/buses/trains...

Many terrible ones. I've been the victim of this several times myself. The first time it happened I was 14 and the man was at least 30.