Where does Pearl Jam go from here?

faithful2you

trees said:

I predict double album and riot act type songs we neeed another trumpleauger song

Pretty sure that's what they were going for with Can't Deny Me and it flopped, hard.   

Spiritual_Chaos

faithful2you said:

trees said:

I predict double album and riot act type songs we neeed another trumpleauger song

Pretty sure that's what they were going for with Can't Deny Me and it flopped, hard.   

I have a hard time understanding what they wanted to do with CDM. They didn't make a "real" video for it or anything. Did they even push it out to radio stations? It didn't get a 7'' release either... but maybe MYM and Sirens didn't get that either.

Is it a "first single" off the new album, or more of a Olé release for the fans that they released because it was fitting with the Parkland shootings and Trump being a dick?

brianlux

faithful2you said:

trees said:

I predict double album and riot act type songs we neeed another trumpleauger song

Pretty sure that's what they were going for with Can't Deny Me and it flopped, hard.   

I really hope they leave CDM off the next album. 

VINNY GOOMBA

brianlux said:

I really hope they leave CDM off the next album. 

I think when it was released it was touted as "off the forthcoming album".  But I share your sentiment-- I would rather have 11 - 14 fresh new songs that I haven't heard before.  Maybe the band was very proud of Can't Deny Me and figured at the time of release that there was no way that it wouldn't make the new album?  I think it's possible that it doesn't make the album if the other songs they are writing makes CDM a poor fit for the album.  They have left better songs off of their past albums simply because the song didn't fit the theme.

brianlux

VINNY GOOMBA said:

brianlux said:

I really hope they leave CDM off the next album. 

I think when it was released it was touted as "off the forthcoming album".  But I share your sentiment-- I would rather have 11 - 14 fresh new songs that I haven't heard before.  Maybe the band was very proud of Can't Deny Me and figured at the time of release that there was no way that it wouldn't make the new album?  I think it's possible that it doesn't make the album if the other songs they are writing makes CDM a poor fit for the album.  They have left better songs off of their past albums simply because the song didn't fit the theme.

Excellent point and I hope you're right, Vinny.

Spiritual_Chaos

That crunchy, slamming sound of CDM will not fit on "Riot Act 2". So I doubt it is kept.

Gibson

Forward, not backward! Upward, not forward! And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!!!

RYME

faithful2you said:

trees said:

I predict double album and riot act type songs we neeed another trumpleauger song

Pretty sure that's what they were going for with Can't Deny Me and it flopped, hard.   

Well if Ed would just sing like he can so beautiully, that would help alot.  Like sleight of hand, I am mine,  Can't Deny me is a disjointed shreeking.  I understand why but its a hard listen.
Just do what's made you great all along.

PJ_Soul

RYME said:

faithful2you said:

trees said:

I predict double album and riot act type songs we neeed another trumpleauger song

Pretty sure that's what they were going for with Can't Deny Me and it flopped, hard.   

Well if Ed would just sing like he can so beautiully, that would help alot.  Like sleight of hand, I am mine,  Can't Deny me is a disjointed shreeking.  I understand why but its a hard listen.

Yes, I absolutely agree with this. The vocals on that song are jarring to say the least. I can't say I "get" what EV is going for when he does that. I have to assume he hears what we hear when he listens to it... I'm just not sure I understand how that gets the go ahead from him or any other member of the band. Are there people who actually like it when singing voices crack?

RS65573

He gives his best Chris Cornell. To me this is totally a Chris scream.

davidos

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a PJ resurgence in 2019... Seems like they have done just enough touring to make it hassle free and easy for everyone in the band... (mostly predictable set lists, short tours). After watching the Springsteen on Broadway recently (and never having been a fan of his) I really came to appreciate his work ethic and life's work...

Not sure what the plan is for PJ... they are certainly no Phish as far as touring and a love for making music.

Why PJ doesn't do webcasts, guitar magazine interviews, Christmas singles, etc. is not clear and disheartening. 

Matt seems to be busy-ish and enjoys making music.
Ed does his occasional solo stuff and corporate gigs
Mike seems like he is constantly making music with a lot of different people
Jeff had the RNDM thing a few years ago but not much else publicly involving music.
Stone ? I know Stone made a point of saying that he still wants to make records during his RRHoF speach... but again, ?

Not sure if they don't like each other, sick of being PJ, uninspired, raising families, not physically 100%, etc. but I hope they can put it together because I have loved everything they've done for (gulp) half my life and I miss them. Sorry for wanting more but one can only hope.


 

PJ_Soul

RS65573 said:

He gives his best Chris Cornell. To me this is totally a Chris scream.

I wish.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

RS65573 said:

He gives his best Chris Cornell. To me this is totally a Chris scream.

I wish.

Same here.  Besides, at some point, Ed should stop screaming.  It just doesn't work any more.  Ed can do better than that.  Way better.  (And none of this is in any way meant to be a slam on Chris Cornell.  He was a great singer in his own right.)

SmallestOceans

brewdog123 said:

i think pearl jam needs to look at what phish is doing, staying fresh, changing venues from time to time, trying new things, create new music, etc.  these 2 bands are very similar in certain aspects and i think phish is still innovative and i think PJ can do the same

Nailed it. If they could just do 33% of what Phish has done the past two years. Both bands are the same age and Phish is hungry as ever. PJ is on cruise control at best. 

fortyshades

brianlux said:

fortyshades said:

i think I will answer this thread, since there are a billion out there right now. Even though this is about "what next?" it is inspired about de discontinuing of the annual singles. Lots of speculation. Reminds me when Parting Ways was released. I hear things about an "half retired" band, formulaic concerts etc. Maybe it is time for some self-reflection. Here are my two cents:

 a) The the discontiniung of the annual single may not be an end of an area or anything melodramatic like that. It could be more mundane and economical. The pressing of the CD single may simply to expensive. And since they run everything themselves, the cost may not equate the income. So I see it more as an economical decision than "a slow retirement".  They will probably come with an alternative. And taking matters in our hand may not be a bad idea.

b) The concert becoming formulas. I did notice a chance in the 2018 concerts. Keep in mind: Ed was not in the best of health. But what could have enhance the feelings were the sets. Each first set seemed to end with Porch (not all but most). Most last encores started with Alive, a cover and end song (Yb or Indifference). This may have caused the feelings of formulas. Personally I would like to see more strange curveballs. Unexpected things. Aye Davinata for example, or Faithfull, Who Are you and more of Binaural songs. (Sleight of Handis a masterpiece, together with Light Years, Gievance (more urgent know thanthen - this was (together with Yield) Eddie's best lyrical time. But please remove Alive from the first slot of the first encore. It is a good song, but skip a few concerts. That goes for all the Ten leaning songs. There are so many gems that could fill the slots (the aforementioned Fainthfull, Light Years, Grievance, Of the Girl, Parting Ways, Getaway. Pendulum (doest have an opener), Got Some, Amongst the Waves, Force of Nature, Tremor Christ, Satan's Bed, Habit, Red Mosquito, Untitled/MFC,  Breakerfall, God's Dice, Nothing as It Seems, Insignificance (also quite urgent these days,),Ghost (for Dimitri), Other Side, Leatherman, Hitchhiker, Fatal, Alone, Brother (instrumental), Gimme No Lip, I'm O[pen (full spoken word), 1/2 Full, Love Boat Captain and many more.Strangest Things would be amazing. Or some covers: like Timeless Melody, Don't be Shy etc,. Or some b-sides of songs that ended up the cutting room floor - like the Earth Song; the guitar solo is shredding it. (I will bump my Stray Cats post.) Or give us
a an unsuspected Jam, What I am trying to say is do not make Alive the next piss break after Even Flow. Put is somewhere else in
 the Setist.

c) The albums.There is a trend in this forum and I been here a few decades: that is the last two albums always gets burned. I remember when RA came out, it was burned together with Binaural, When St came out, it was burned with RA. When Backspacer came out t was burned St. When LB came out is was burned with BS. Etc, This is a returning them. So I have reaistic hopes with the new album: especially when they stated it going be more like Pendulum and Infallible. So lets be patient. Personally I hope for an experimental album, with some fillers, with a   surprise song. More importantly disconnected - as a metaphor / symbolism of the state of the world is now. I have the feeling they are still finding an artistic format, and that is ok. I hope they go out an limp and surprises us with a more theme-liked album.

Just my two cents.

Some interesting observations here.

A serious question- and I don't mean to be poking fun- is English a second language for you?  I'm asking because it takes a bit of work to decipher your writing. I have a German friend- a really good friend- who writes like much the way you do.

Second language and that I typed too fast (and on a phone) didnt help. Too tired to correct. And frankly too much work.

brianlux

fortyshades said:

brianlux said:

fortyshades said:

i think I will answer this thread, since there are a billion out there right now. Even though this is about "what next?" it is inspired about de discontinuing of the annual singles. Lots of speculation. Reminds me when Parting Ways was released. I hear things about an "half retired" band, formulaic concerts etc. Maybe it is time for some self-reflection. Here are my two cents:

 a) The the discontiniung of the annual single may not be an end of an area or anything melodramatic like that. It could be more mundane and economical. The pressing of the CD single may simply to expensive. And since they run everything themselves, the cost may not equate the income. So I see it more as an economical decision than "a slow retirement".  They will probably come with an alternative. And taking matters in our hand may not be a bad idea.

b) The concert becoming formulas. I did notice a chance in the 2018 concerts. Keep in mind: Ed was not in the best of health. But what could have enhance the feelings were the sets. Each first set seemed to end with Porch (not all but most). Most last encores started with Alive, a cover and end song (Yb or Indifference). This may have caused the feelings of formulas. Personally I would like to see more strange curveballs. Unexpected things. Aye Davinata for example, or Faithfull, Who Are you and more of Binaural songs. (Sleight of Handis a masterpiece, together with Light Years, Gievance (more urgent know thanthen - this was (together with Yield) Eddie's best lyrical time. But please remove Alive from the first slot of the first encore. It is a good song, but skip a few concerts. That goes for all the Ten leaning songs. There are so many gems that could fill the slots (the aforementioned Fainthfull, Light Years, Grievance, Of the Girl, Parting Ways, Getaway. Pendulum (doest have an opener), Got Some, Amongst the Waves, Force of Nature, Tremor Christ, Satan's Bed, Habit, Red Mosquito, Untitled/MFC,  Breakerfall, God's Dice, Nothing as It Seems, Insignificance (also quite urgent these days,),Ghost (for Dimitri), Other Side, Leatherman, Hitchhiker, Fatal, Alone, Brother (instrumental), Gimme No Lip, I'm O[pen (full spoken word), 1/2 Full, Love Boat Captain and many more.Strangest Things would be amazing. Or some covers: like Timeless Melody, Don't be Shy etc,. Or some b-sides of songs that ended up the cutting room floor - like the Earth Song; the guitar solo is shredding it. (I will bump my Stray Cats post.) Or give us
a an unsuspected Jam, What I am trying to say is do not make Alive the next piss break after Even Flow. Put is somewhere else in
 the Setist.

c) The albums.There is a trend in this forum and I been here a few decades: that is the last two albums always gets burned. I remember when RA came out, it was burned together with Binaural, When St came out, it was burned with RA. When Backspacer came out t was burned St. When LB came out is was burned with BS. Etc, This is a returning them. So I have reaistic hopes with the new album: especially when they stated it going be more like Pendulum and Infallible. So lets be patient. Personally I hope for an experimental album, with some fillers, with a   surprise song. More importantly disconnected - as a metaphor / symbolism of the state of the world is now. I have the feeling they are still finding an artistic format, and that is ok. I hope they go out an limp and surprises us with a more theme-liked album.

Just my two cents.

Some interesting observations here.

A serious question- and I don't mean to be poking fun- is English a second language for you?  I'm asking because it takes a bit of work to decipher your writing. I have a German friend- a really good friend- who writes like much the way you do.

Second language and that I typed too fas didnt help. Too tired to correct. And frankly too much work.

No worries.  It would be for me as well.  I meant no offense, just curious. 

Cheers!

fortyshades

brianlux said:

fortyshades said:

brianlux said:

fortyshades said:

i think I will answer this thread, since there are a billion out there right now. Even though this is about "what next?" it is inspired about de discontinuing of the annual singles. Lots of speculation. Reminds me when Parting Ways was released. I hear things about an "half retired" band, formulaic concerts etc. Maybe it is time for some self-reflection. Here are my two cents:

 a) The the discontiniung of the annual single may not be an end of an area or anything melodramatic like that. It could be more mundane and economical. The pressing of the CD single may simply to expensive. And since they run everything themselves, the cost may not equate the income. So I see it more as an economical decision than "a slow retirement".  They will probably come with an alternative. And taking matters in our hand may not be a bad idea.

b) The concert becoming formulas. I did notice a chance in the 2018 concerts. Keep in mind: Ed was not in the best of health. But what could have enhance the feelings were the sets. Each first set seemed to end with Porch (not all but most). Most last encores started with Alive, a cover and end song (Yb or Indifference). This may have caused the feelings of formulas. Personally I would like to see more strange curveballs. Unexpected things. Aye Davinata for example, or Faithfull, Who Are you and more of Binaural songs. (Sleight of Handis a masterpiece, together with Light Years, Gievance (more urgent know thanthen - this was (together with Yield) Eddie's best lyrical time. But please remove Alive from the first slot of the first encore. It is a good song, but skip a few concerts. That goes for all the Ten leaning songs. There are so many gems that could fill the slots (the aforementioned Fainthfull, Light Years, Grievance, Of the Girl, Parting Ways, Getaway. Pendulum (doest have an opener), Got Some, Amongst the Waves, Force of Nature, Tremor Christ, Satan's Bed, Habit, Red Mosquito, Untitled/MFC,  Breakerfall, God's Dice, Nothing as It Seems, Insignificance (also quite urgent these days,),Ghost (for Dimitri), Other Side, Leatherman, Hitchhiker, Fatal, Alone, Brother (instrumental), Gimme No Lip, I'm O[pen (full spoken word), 1/2 Full, Love Boat Captain and many more.Strangest Things would be amazing. Or some covers: like Timeless Melody, Don't be Shy etc,. Or some b-sides of songs that ended up the cutting room floor - like the Earth Song; the guitar solo is shredding it. (I will bump my Stray Cats post.) Or give us
a an unsuspected Jam, What I am trying to say is do not make Alive the next piss break after Even Flow. Put is somewhere else in
 the Setist.

c) The albums.There is a trend in this forum and I been here a few decades: that is the last two albums always gets burned. I remember when RA came out, it was burned together with Binaural, When St came out, it was burned with RA. When Backspacer came out t was burned St. When LB came out is was burned with BS. Etc, This is a returning them. So I have reaistic hopes with the new album: especially when they stated it going be more like Pendulum and Infallible. So lets be patient. Personally I hope for an experimental album, with some fillers, with a   surprise song. More importantly disconnected - as a metaphor / symbolism of the state of the world is now. I have the feeling they are still finding an artistic format, and that is ok. I hope they go out an limp and surprises us with a more theme-liked album.

Just my two cents.

Some interesting observations here.

A serious question- and I don't mean to be poking fun- is English a second language for you?  I'm asking because it takes a bit of work to decipher your writing. I have a German friend- a really good friend- who writes like much the way you do.

Second language and that I typed too fas didnt help. Too tired to correct. And frankly too much work.

No worries.  It would be for me as well.  I meant no offense, just curious. 

Cheers!

No offence taken ;-). Not that sensitive. I hope I didnt butcher my message though , for I had some valid points  I think at least. That all said, I am Dutch. (Sounds like Deutch, but major difference. In Germany you say "Ich spreche Deutch", in Dutch you say "Ik spreek Nederlands".) Some Dutch people are very sensitive by being compared to a German. Still due to the Second World War. (Dont worry, I am not like that.) Actually wrote an English book. (I write for a living.) It took some editorial rounds, hahaha. Let me find the link. Here it is. No worries dont get royalty's: https://www.palgrave.com/de/book/9783319692593

mace1229

fortyshades said:

brianlux said:

fortyshades said:

i think I will answer this thread, since there are a billion out there right now. Even though this is about "what next?" it is inspired about de discontinuing of the annual singles. Lots of speculation. Reminds me when Parting Ways was released. I hear things about an "half retired" band, formulaic concerts etc. Maybe it is time for some self-reflection. Here are my two cents:

 a) The the discontiniung of the annual single may not be an end of an area or anything melodramatic like that. It could be more mundane and economical. The pressing of the CD single may simply to expensive. And since they run everything themselves, the cost may not equate the income. So I see it more as an economical decision than "a slow retirement".  They will probably come with an alternative. And taking matters in our hand may not be a bad idea.

b) The concert becoming formulas. I did notice a chance in the 2018 concerts. Keep in mind: Ed was not in the best of health. But what could have enhance the feelings were the sets. Each first set seemed to end with Porch (not all but most). Most last encores started with Alive, a cover and end song (Yb or Indifference). This may have caused the feelings of formulas. Personally I would like to see more strange curveballs. Unexpected things. Aye Davinata for example, or Faithfull, Who Are you and more of Binaural songs. (Sleight of Handis a masterpiece, together with Light Years, Gievance (more urgent know thanthen - this was (together with Yield) Eddie's best lyrical time. But please remove Alive from the first slot of the first encore. It is a good song, but skip a few concerts. That goes for all the Ten leaning songs. There are so many gems that could fill the slots (the aforementioned Fainthfull, Light Years, Grievance, Of the Girl, Parting Ways, Getaway. Pendulum (doest have an opener), Got Some, Amongst the Waves, Force of Nature, Tremor Christ, Satan's Bed, Habit, Red Mosquito, Untitled/MFC,  Breakerfall, God's Dice, Nothing as It Seems, Insignificance (also quite urgent these days,),Ghost (for Dimitri), Other Side, Leatherman, Hitchhiker, Fatal, Alone, Brother (instrumental), Gimme No Lip, I'm O[pen (full spoken word), 1/2 Full, Love Boat Captain and many more.Strangest Things would be amazing. Or some covers: like Timeless Melody, Don't be Shy etc,. Or some b-sides of songs that ended up the cutting room floor - like the Earth Song; the guitar solo is shredding it. (I will bump my Stray Cats post.) Or give us
a an unsuspected Jam, What I am trying to say is do not make Alive the next piss break after Even Flow. Put is somewhere else in
 the Setist.

c) The albums.There is a trend in this forum and I been here a few decades: that is the last two albums always gets burned. I remember when RA came out, it was burned together with Binaural, When St came out, it was burned with RA. When Backspacer came out t was burned St. When LB came out is was burned with BS. Etc, This is a returning them. So I have reaistic hopes with the new album: especially when they stated it going be more like Pendulum and Infallible. So lets be patient. Personally I hope for an experimental album, with some fillers, with a   surprise song. More importantly disconnected - as a metaphor / symbolism of the state of the world is now. I have the feeling they are still finding an artistic format, and that is ok. I hope they go out an limp and surprises us with a more theme-liked album.

Just my two cents.

Some interesting observations here.

A serious question- and I don't mean to be poking fun- is English a second language for you?  I'm asking because it takes a bit of work to decipher your writing. I have a German friend- a really good friend- who writes like much the way you do.

Second language and that I typed too fast (and on a phone) didnt help. Too tired to correct. And frankly too much work.

In all fairness, English is my only language and yours came out better than when I type on a phone.

drakeheuer14

If they could kindly reduce the cost of the vaults to like $35 and push out maybe 2 or 3 per year instead? That is where I would like to see them go. 

How long is this pre-sale lasting anyways? 

MedozK

drakeheuer14 said:

If they could kindly reduce the cost of the vaults to like $35 and push out maybe 2 or 3 per year instead? That is where I would like to see them go. 

How long is this pre-sale lasting anyways? 

This vault STILL be labeled as a pre-sale.... 

It really baffles me.