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Musk brought internet to Brazil’s Amazon. Criminals love it.By FABIANO MAISONNAVEToday
ATALAIA DO NORTE, Brazil (AP) — Brazilian federal agents aboard three helicopters descended on an illegal mining site on Tuesday in the Amazon rainforest. They were met with gunfire, and the shooters escaped, leaving behind an increasingly familiar find for authorities: Starlink internet units.
Starlink, a division of Elon Musk’s SpaceX, has almost 4,000 low-orbit satellites across the skies, connecting people in remote corners of the Amazon and providing a crucial advantage to Ukrainian forces on the battlefield. The lightweight, high-speed internet system has also proved a new and valuable tool for Brazil’s illegal miners, with reliable service for coordinating logistics, receiving advance warning of law enforcement raids and making payments without flying back to the city.
Agents from the Brazilian environment agency’s special inspection group and the federal highway police rapid response group on Tuesday found one Starlink terminal up and running next to a pit, an officer who participated in the raid told The Associated Press. He spoke on condition of anonymity over concerns for his personal safety.
In this image provided by IBAMA, Brazil's Environmental Agency, Elon Musk's Starlink, providing a high-speed connection in Brazil's Amazon remote places, is visible, bottom right, in the Yanomami Indigenous territory, Roraima state, Brazil, Tuesday, March 14, 2023. Federal agents seized the internet kit in an illegal mining pit. (IBAMA via AP)They also seized mercury, gold and ammunition, and destroyed fuel and other equipment used by miners in an area known as Ouro Mil, controlled by Brazil´s most feared criminal organization, known as the First Command of the Capital, according to federal investigations.
Since taking office this year, President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has sought to crack down on environmental violations, particularly illegal mining in Yanomami land, Brazil’s largest Indigenous territory. In recent years, an estimated 20,000 prospectors contaminated vital waterways with mercury used to separate gold. They have disrupted traditional Indigenous life, brought disease and caused widespread famine.
MORE ON THE AMAZON RAINFORESTThe environment agency, known as Ibama, has seized seven Starlink terminals in Yanomami land over the past five weeks, the agency’s press office said.
Illegal miners have long used satellite internet to communicate and coordinate, but until now that entailed sending a technician, usually by plane, to install a heavy, fixed antenna that cannot be carried off when mining sites move or are raided. And the connection was slow and unstable, especially on rainy days.
Starlink – which first became available in Brazil last year and has spread rapidly – solved those problems. Installation is do-it-yourself, the equipment works even on the move, speed is as fast as in Brazil´s large cities and it works during storms.
In this handout photo provided by the Ministry of Communication, Brazil's then-President Jair Bolsonaro, left, and Tesla and SpaceX chief executive officer Elon Musk shake hands during a meeting in Porto Feliz, Brazil, May 20, 2022. SpaceX, which now has almost 4,000 satellites in low orbit, is providing a high-speed connection in even remote places in the Brazilian Amazon, benefitting everything from businesses to government agencies. (Cleverson Oliveira/Ministry of Communication via AP)Starlink has long viewed the Amazon as an opportunity. That was underscored by Musk’s visit to Brazil last May, when he met with then-President Jair Bolsonaro.
“Super excited to be in Brazil for launch of Starlink for 19,000 unconnected schools in rural areas & environmental monitoring of Amazon,” Musk tweeted at the time.
That project with the government hasn't advanced, however. SpaceX and the communications ministry haven’t signed any contract, and only three terminals were installed in Amazon schools for a 12-month trial period, the ministry’s press office said in an emailed response to questions.
Nevertheless, Starlink has taken off in the region and begun ushering in change.
Hotel owner Rubeney de Castro Alves stands near a Starlink router installed at his front desk in Atalaia do Norte, in Brazil's Amazon on Feb. 26, 2023. Starlink, part of Elon Musk’s SpaceX, is providing a high-speed connection in remote places, helping everything from businesses to government agencies. The hotel owner can now do bank transfers, make video calls, and watch Netflix. (AP Photo/Fabiano Maisonnave)In Atalaia do Norte, on the western reaches of the Brazilian Amazon near the borders with Peru and Colombia, Rubeney de Castro Alves installed Starlink at his hotel in December. Now, he can make bank transfers and conduct video calls. He even started bingeing Netflix.
“There are so many new things to watch that I’m not even sleeping,” Alves said, chuckling.
His son once flew all the way to Manaus, the state capital 1,140 kilometers (708 miles) away, just to negotiate with a group of tourists via conference call. Today, internet at his 11-room hotel in Atalaia do Norte is more reliable than in Manaus, and he bought a second terminal for his tour boat to enable communications on its 10-day voyages, Alves said.
With high demand for internet, dozens of the riverside town’s 21,000 residents flock to Alves’ hotel each day. Its balcony is a meeting point for teenagers who spend hours playing online games on their phones.
“It made a revolution in our city,” Alves said.
A world away, in Ukraine, Starlink has yielded advantages on the battlefield in its war with Russia.
Ukraine has received some 24,000 Starlink terminals that allow continued internet in the most vulnerable regions of the southeast even amid ongoing Russian shelling. In large Ukrainian cities, authorities have set up “points of resilience” that offer free internet along with hot beverages.
The benefits of connectivity were immediately apparent to bad actors in the Amazon, Hugo Loss, operations coordinator for Brazil´s environment agency, told the AP in a phone interview.
“This technology is extremely fast and really improves the ability to manage an illegal mine,” Loss said. “You can manage hundreds of mining sites without ever setting foot in one.”
In this image provided by IBAMA, Brazil's Environmental Agency, a Starlink internet unit produced by Elon Musk's SpaceX provided high-speed connection in a remote part of the Brazilian Amazon, Yanomami Indigenous territory, Roraima state, Tuesday, March 14, 2023. Federal agents seized the kit from an illegal mining pit. (IBAMA via AP)Another official with the environment agency told AP it is just beginning to expel miners from the Yanomami territory and the spread of Starlink has complicated that mission. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of concerns about personal safety.
An unauthorized reseller of Starlink in Boa Vista, the gateway for travel into Yanomami territory, has been marketing the units in a WhatsApp group for illegal miners and promising same-day delivery. Her price for a terminal is $1,600— six times what Alves pays for service at his little hotel in Atalaia do Norte. Others are selling the Starlink terminals on Facebook groups for illegal miners, like one called “Fanatics for Prospecting.”
As lawbreakers have gained access to superior internet service, authorities have started using Starlink themselves. Federal agents installed a terminal at a new checkpoint on the Uraricoera River – an important corridor for miners entering Yanomami territory. The official who informed the AP about the Tuesday raid used Starlink to send photos and even heavy video files of their operation.
Brazil’s environment agency told the AP via email that it, along with other federal bodies, is studying how to block Starlink’s signal in illegal mining areas, calling it crucial to stopping the activity.
The AP emailed James Gleeson, SpaceX’s Communications Director, questions about Starlink’s presence in Brazil and its use by illegal miners in remote areas, but received no response.
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AP journalist Yuras Karmanau contributed from Tallinn, Estonia.
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Technology when freely available can be used for good or bad...who knew?mickeyrat said:Musk brought internet to Brazil’s Amazon. Criminals love it.By FABIANO MAISONNAVETodayATALAIA DO NORTE, Brazil (AP) — Brazilian federal agents aboard three helicopters descended on an illegal mining site on Tuesday in the Amazon rainforest. They were met with gunfire, and the shooters escaped, leaving behind an increasingly familiar find for authorities: Starlink internet units.
Starlink, a division of Elon Musk’s SpaceX, has almost 4,000 low-orbit satellites across the skies, connecting people in remote corners of the Amazon and providing a crucial advantage to Ukrainian forces on the battlefield. The lightweight, high-speed internet system has also proved a new and valuable tool for Brazil’s illegal miners, with reliable service for coordinating logistics, receiving advance warning of law enforcement raids and making payments without flying back to the city.
Agents from the Brazilian environment agency’s special inspection group and the federal highway police rapid response group on Tuesday found one Starlink terminal up and running next to a pit, an officer who participated in the raid told The Associated Press. He spoke on condition of anonymity over concerns for his personal safety.
In this image provided by IBAMA, Brazil's Environmental Agency, Elon Musk's Starlink, providing a high-speed connection in Brazil's Amazon remote places, is visible, bottom right, in the Yanomami Indigenous territory, Roraima state, Brazil, Tuesday, March 14, 2023. Federal agents seized the internet kit in an illegal mining pit. (IBAMA via AP)They also seized mercury, gold and ammunition, and destroyed fuel and other equipment used by miners in an area known as Ouro Mil, controlled by Brazil´s most feared criminal organization, known as the First Command of the Capital, according to federal investigations.
Since taking office this year, President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has sought to crack down on environmental violations, particularly illegal mining in Yanomami land, Brazil’s largest Indigenous territory. In recent years, an estimated 20,000 prospectors contaminated vital waterways with mercury used to separate gold. They have disrupted traditional Indigenous life, brought disease and caused widespread famine.
MORE ON THE AMAZON RAINFORESTThe environment agency, known as Ibama, has seized seven Starlink terminals in Yanomami land over the past five weeks, the agency’s press office said.
Illegal miners have long used satellite internet to communicate and coordinate, but until now that entailed sending a technician, usually by plane, to install a heavy, fixed antenna that cannot be carried off when mining sites move or are raided. And the connection was slow and unstable, especially on rainy days.
Starlink – which first became available in Brazil last year and has spread rapidly – solved those problems. Installation is do-it-yourself, the equipment works even on the move, speed is as fast as in Brazil´s large cities and it works during storms.
In this handout photo provided by the Ministry of Communication, Brazil's then-President Jair Bolsonaro, left, and Tesla and SpaceX chief executive officer Elon Musk shake hands during a meeting in Porto Feliz, Brazil, May 20, 2022. SpaceX, which now has almost 4,000 satellites in low orbit, is providing a high-speed connection in even remote places in the Brazilian Amazon, benefitting everything from businesses to government agencies. (Cleverson Oliveira/Ministry of Communication via AP)Starlink has long viewed the Amazon as an opportunity. That was underscored by Musk’s visit to Brazil last May, when he met with then-President Jair Bolsonaro.
“Super excited to be in Brazil for launch of Starlink for 19,000 unconnected schools in rural areas & environmental monitoring of Amazon,” Musk tweeted at the time.
That project with the government hasn't advanced, however. SpaceX and the communications ministry haven’t signed any contract, and only three terminals were installed in Amazon schools for a 12-month trial period, the ministry’s press office said in an emailed response to questions.
Nevertheless, Starlink has taken off in the region and begun ushering in change.
Hotel owner Rubeney de Castro Alves stands near a Starlink router installed at his front desk in Atalaia do Norte, in Brazil's Amazon on Feb. 26, 2023. Starlink, part of Elon Musk’s SpaceX, is providing a high-speed connection in remote places, helping everything from businesses to government agencies. The hotel owner can now do bank transfers, make video calls, and watch Netflix. (AP Photo/Fabiano Maisonnave)In Atalaia do Norte, on the western reaches of the Brazilian Amazon near the borders with Peru and Colombia, Rubeney de Castro Alves installed Starlink at his hotel in December. Now, he can make bank transfers and conduct video calls. He even started bingeing Netflix.
“There are so many new things to watch that I’m not even sleeping,” Alves said, chuckling.
His son once flew all the way to Manaus, the state capital 1,140 kilometers (708 miles) away, just to negotiate with a group of tourists via conference call. Today, internet at his 11-room hotel in Atalaia do Norte is more reliable than in Manaus, and he bought a second terminal for his tour boat to enable communications on its 10-day voyages, Alves said.
With high demand for internet, dozens of the riverside town’s 21,000 residents flock to Alves’ hotel each day. Its balcony is a meeting point for teenagers who spend hours playing online games on their phones.
“It made a revolution in our city,” Alves said.
A world away, in Ukraine, Starlink has yielded advantages on the battlefield in its war with Russia.
Ukraine has received some 24,000 Starlink terminals that allow continued internet in the most vulnerable regions of the southeast even amid ongoing Russian shelling. In large Ukrainian cities, authorities have set up “points of resilience” that offer free internet along with hot beverages.
The benefits of connectivity were immediately apparent to bad actors in the Amazon, Hugo Loss, operations coordinator for Brazil´s environment agency, told the AP in a phone interview.
“This technology is extremely fast and really improves the ability to manage an illegal mine,” Loss said. “You can manage hundreds of mining sites without ever setting foot in one.”
In this image provided by IBAMA, Brazil's Environmental Agency, a Starlink internet unit produced by Elon Musk's SpaceX provided high-speed connection in a remote part of the Brazilian Amazon, Yanomami Indigenous territory, Roraima state, Tuesday, March 14, 2023. Federal agents seized the kit from an illegal mining pit. (IBAMA via AP)Another official with the environment agency told AP it is just beginning to expel miners from the Yanomami territory and the spread of Starlink has complicated that mission. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of concerns about personal safety.
An unauthorized reseller of Starlink in Boa Vista, the gateway for travel into Yanomami territory, has been marketing the units in a WhatsApp group for illegal miners and promising same-day delivery. Her price for a terminal is $1,600— six times what Alves pays for service at his little hotel in Atalaia do Norte. Others are selling the Starlink terminals on Facebook groups for illegal miners, like one called “Fanatics for Prospecting.”
As lawbreakers have gained access to superior internet service, authorities have started using Starlink themselves. Federal agents installed a terminal at a new checkpoint on the Uraricoera River – an important corridor for miners entering Yanomami territory. The official who informed the AP about the Tuesday raid used Starlink to send photos and even heavy video files of their operation.
Brazil’s environment agency told the AP via email that it, along with other federal bodies, is studying how to block Starlink’s signal in illegal mining areas, calling it crucial to stopping the activity.
The AP emailed James Gleeson, SpaceX’s Communications Director, questions about Starlink’s presence in Brazil and its use by illegal miners in remote areas, but received no response.
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AP journalist Yuras Karmanau contributed from Tallinn, Estonia.
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Sounds like s as n enemy combatant to me. Much like Rupert Murdick.mickeyrat said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Wait so private companies shouldn't be able to sell the user data that users voluntarily give to them? I thought that was capitalism. What tech company isn't selling and giving away user data? I'm not seeing the problem here. Most big tech companies have terms of service that makes your user data their product to do with as they see fit in exchange for your use of the service.mickeyrat said:
I'm all for strengthening digital privacy laws, but let's not pretend that Elon or Twitter are the only ones doing this. I dislike Elon very much, but his short term of twitter ownership is nowhere near as bad for society as the previous decade of unchecked big tech data mining and influencing.
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I agree. This is cherrypicking grievances based on who's responsible for them, and it actually falls into the whole 'partial suppression' angle that the right loves to bring up.static111 said:
Wait so private companies shouldn't be able to sell the user data that users voluntarily give to them? I thought that was capitalism. What tech company isn't selling and giving away user data? I'm not seeing the problem here. Most big tech companies have terms of service that makes your user data their product to do with as they see fit in exchange for your use of the service.mickeyrat said:
I'm all for strengthening digital privacy laws, but let's not pretend that Elon or Twitter are the only ones doing this. I dislike Elon very much, but his short term of twitter ownership is nowhere near as bad for society as the previous decade of unchecked big tech data mining and influencing.
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Elon Musk has lost more money than anyone in history, Guinness World Records says
January 12, 20235:28 AM ETBy
Tesla CEO Elon Musk has broken a record for the largest amount of money lost by one person, according to Guinness World Records.
Musk lost between $180 billion and $200 billion since November 2021, largely due to the poor performance of Tesla stocks in recent years, according to the report.
His fortune went from about $320 billion in 2021 to its current level of about $147 billion. Still, Musk remains the second-richest person in the world, behind Bernard Arnault, the CEO of luxury goods conglomerate LVMH, according to numbers by Forbes.
Despite Tesla setting new sales records in 2022 (it grew deliveries by 40% from the previous year), the stock lost 65% of its value in 2022, due to competitors.
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why does any news about tesla cars always suck?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 said:why does any news about tesla cars always suck?to be fair, how often is good news about a company or product reported? a product operating as intended isnt really news is it?now this shit...... I wonder what cautions or disclaimers are hidden in the paperwork about user "data" is offered?
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doesn't matter to me. i would never, ever buy a tesla. even if were my only option. if i could own a tesla, or own no car, i would go without a car.mickeyrat said:gimmesometruth27 said:why does any news about tesla cars always suck?to be fair, how often is good news about a company or product reported? a product operating as intended isnt really news is it?now this shit...... I wonder what cautions or disclaimers are hidden in the paperwork about user "data" is offered?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 said:
doesn't matter to me. i would never, ever buy a tesla. even if were my only option. if i could own a tesla, or own no car, i would go without a car.mickeyrat said:gimmesometruth27 said:why does any news about tesla cars always suck?to be fair, how often is good news about a company or product reported? a product operating as intended isnt really news is it?now this shit...... I wonder what cautions or disclaimers are hidden in the paperwork about user "data" is offered?ford and chevy breathing down his neck. Ram just debuted the new ev pick up with up to 500 miles range and no real difference in payload and towing capacity for late 2024 delivery. Dodge is sunsetting the gas powered challengers and chargers this year(would love to get 2 of each of 7 models). I'd look for ev of those models soon.... not to mention other stellantis(c.d.j.r) models to come....gonna be plenty of options in the next year or two. without the narcissistic bullshit that goes with tesla. ..._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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oh don't get me wrong, i would own an ev. just never in a million years a tesla.mickeyrat said:gimmesometruth27 said:
doesn't matter to me. i would never, ever buy a tesla. even if were my only option. if i could own a tesla, or own no car, i would go without a car.mickeyrat said:gimmesometruth27 said:why does any news about tesla cars always suck?to be fair, how often is good news about a company or product reported? a product operating as intended isnt really news is it?now this shit...... I wonder what cautions or disclaimers are hidden in the paperwork about user "data" is offered?ford and chevy breathing down his neck. Ram just debuted the new ev pick up with up to 500 miles range and no real difference in payload and towing capacity for late 2024 delivery. Dodge is sunsetting the gas powered challengers and chargers this year(would love to get 2 of each of 7 models). I'd look for ev of those models soon.... not to mention other stellantis(c.d.j.r) models to come....gonna be plenty of options in the next year or two. without the narcissistic bullshit that goes with tesla. ..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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you mean the company with the exploding rockets? nah, i'm good.Halifax2TheMax said:Is SpaceX publicly traded? Might be a time to buy?
its basically a stonk at this point after today."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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It isn't. I could watch their rocket launches all day though - this morning's attempt was awe-inspiring.Halifax2TheMax said:Is SpaceX publicly traded? Might be a time to buy?'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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I saw a "congrats Elon on a successful launch" on twitter followed by "the ending didn't go as planned, but...". these people are fucking idiots.gimmesometruth27 said:
you mean the company with the exploding rockets? nah, i'm good.Halifax2TheMax said:Is SpaceX publicly traded? Might be a time to buy?
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Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly is my new favourite term for "fucking exploded".By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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It's a hilarious euphemism. Even the SpaceX announcers can't seem to help but smile when they say it.HughFreakingDillon said:Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly is my new favourite term for "fucking exploded".
In terms of the success/failure of this attempt, there's a huge amount of good data to be learned from this. The sad part of all this is that it's likely the reliability of the engines which caused the failure; they didn't have enough lift to make it past Max Q. I can't imagine this delaying things less than 1-2 more test articles - multiple months, multiple millions.
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