US Christian Missionary endanger the lives of inhabitants on isolated Indian island

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and speaking of inconsistent comparisons, I'm not sure how "missionary trying to spread the word of god" is in any way similar to "crazy rapist burglar breaks into someone's home and start attacking family members". 

    no one knows what this guy's intent was, but I hardly believe it was to rape and murder the tribe, or to even shake their hands too hard. 
    But if you think about it from a historical perspective, isn't that literally what immediately followed the vast majority of times that Christian missionaries spread the word of God to indigenous peoples?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,028
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and speaking of inconsistent comparisons, I'm not sure how "missionary trying to spread the word of god" is in any way similar to "crazy rapist burglar breaks into someone's home and start attacking family members". 

    no one knows what this guy's intent was, but I hardly believe it was to rape and murder the tribe, or to even shake their hands too hard. 
    But if you think about it from a historical perspective, isn't that literally what immediately followed the vast majority of times that Christian missionaries spread the word of God to indigenous peoples?
    yes, but we're talking present day here. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited November 2018
    LongestRoad said:
    my2hands said:
    This is a perfect example of "shit white people do"... dude paddled up with a bible & cross lol

    Lol, you managed to be a bigot and make a racist statement. I’m glad we get to read everyone’s real thoughts on immigration. 
    I'm white, and a man, and i reserve the right to make fun of white people, especially white males . That is how shit works, so lighten up. Don't like it? I dont give a shit 

    This is a perfect example of shit white people do, especially males... fucking moron paddled up with a bible & cross like they would even understand him or be able to read. White people shit, bro
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited November 2018
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and speaking of inconsistent comparisons, I'm not sure how "missionary trying to spread the word of god" is in any way similar to "crazy rapist burglar breaks into someone's home and start attacking family members". 

    no one knows what this guy's intent was, but I hardly believe it was to rape and murder the tribe, or to even shake their hands too hard. 
    But if you think about it from a historical perspective, isn't that literally what immediately followed the vast majority of times that Christian missionaries spread the word of God to indigenous peoples?
    Exactly. That is exactly why I think that was a fair comparison. I see missionaries like this guy as a HUGE threat, dangerous, harmful, for sure deadly. I see no reason to assume that those tribes people feel any different about him coming on shore than a family would while someone is breaking into their home and threatening their lives. No different at all. Maybe even more threatened, because it threatens the whole tribe, not just one family.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited November 2018
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    No, I did not say no one deserves to die as much as him, and didn't come close to it, lol.
    Anyway, I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    Or they just disagree with you. I mean, you may not be correct, that is an option. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,028
    pretty sure I've detailed the possible perspectives of the tribespeople. still not a fair comparison at all, especially since the tribe most likely would have little to no historical perspective to draw on. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited November 2018
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    Or they just disagree with you. I mean, you may not be correct, that is an option. 
    No, it isn't, lol. Not this time. What they're doing is assuming that the missionary guy wasn't as dangerous as a murderer/rapist to those people on that island. But that isn't the case. I think they are failing to see it from that perspective. They have to be. Otherwise they would at least understand my comparison, if not agree with it. But this concept seems to have whooshed right over most of their heads.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    edited November 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    I've said I think the missionary was wrong and the tribe should be left alone.
    But I consider a rapist one of the lowest people on earth. This guy was much better than that. He made a bad decision, but that decision had good intentions whether you agree with him or not. That makes a big difference in my book.
    I think saying he deserved this and comparing him to anyone bad, especially a rapist, is not accurate and overreaching. 

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    Or they just disagree with you. I mean, you may not be correct, that is an option. 
    No, it isn't, lol. Not this time. What they're doing is assuming that the missionary guy wasn't as dangerous as a murderer/rapist to those people on that island. But that isn't the case. I think they are failing to see it from that perspective. They have to be. Otherwise they would at least understand my comparison, if not agree with it. But this concept seems to have whooshed right over most of their heads.
    Hmmmm immigrants are rapists and murderers....where have I heard that before??? /s

    Im just kidding with that comment, I know you don’t mean it like trump does. 


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited November 2018
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    I've said I think the missionary was wrong and the tribe should be left alone.
    But I consider a rapist one of the lowest people on earth. This guy was much better than that. He made a bad decision, but that decision had good intentions whether you agree with him or not.
    I think saying he deserved this and comparing him to anyone bad, especially a rapist, is not accurate and overreaching. 

    Okay then, murderer, just to avoid the subjective ideas about the seriousness of rape and the comparisons of it to the concepts driving colonization I suppose? So a MURDERER breaking into a family's home is comparable. Is that better for you? I'm not AT ALL talking about what this guy was like as a person. I'm talking only of the threat he posed to the tribe, in their minds. And I do still think that rapist is as good a comparison in that context as anything. 
    I'm sure some slave traders had good intentions too btw. That doesn't seem like something that would have been very relevant to the slaves though, does it?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    pretty sure I've detailed the possible perspectives of the tribespeople. still not a fair comparison at all, especially since the tribe most likely would have little to no historical perspective to draw on. 

     They have their own historical perspective to draw on, which apparently includes enough dangerous episodes to justify this action. 

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,028
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    Or they just disagree with you. I mean, you may not be correct, that is an option. 
    No, it isn't, lol. Not this time. What they're doing is assuming that the missionary guy wasn't as dangerous as a murderer/rapist to those people on that island. But that isn't the case. I think they are failing to see it from that perspective. They have to be. Otherwise they would at least understand my comparison, if not agree with it. But this concept seems to have whooshed right over most of their heads.
    you make a direct statement saying nobody deserves to die if this guy doesn't. people come up wth questions/examples to counter that (vague) statement, and you are mocking them for doing so with this "Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?". 

    your statement could be taken in any number of ways, and the fact that so many people apparently misunderstood it is more of a comment on the person who stated it than those interpreting it. all you have to do is clarify it rather than getting all high and mighty about it. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    I've said I think the missionary was wrong and the tribe should be left alone.
    But I consider a rapist one of the lowest people on earth. This guy was much better than that. He made a bad decision, but that decision had good intentions whether you agree with him or not.
    I think saying he deserved this and comparing him to anyone bad, especially a rapist, is not accurate and overreaching. 

    Okay then, murderer, just to avoid the subjective ideas about the seriousness of rape and the comparisons of it to the concepts driving colonization I suppose? So a MURDERER breaking into a family's home is comparable. Is that better for you? I'm not AT ALL talking about what this guy was like as a person. I'm talking only of the threat he posed to the tribe, in their minds. And I do still think that rapist is as good a comparison in that context as anything. 
    I'm sure some slave traders had good intentions too btw. That doesn't seem like something that would have been very relevant to the slaves though, does it?
    I don't like it because of the intent.
    You talk about a murderer breaking into someone's home it implies he meant to hurt them.
    Although he very well could have carried disease and viruses to kill these people, that is definitely no this intent. So  Ijust don't see the comparison between rapist or murderer.

    I can't think of a single good intent a slave trader could have towards the slaves. Not ones that didn't involve freeing them.
    And I think intent does matter. If a man sees a homeless guy and helps him build a fire to get through a freezing night, and that fire goes out of control and burns down a house with a family in it, would you treat him the same as an arson who intentionally burns down a house with a family inside?
    The first guy definitely made a mistake, but I wouldn't compare him to the second. 
    This guy made a mistake (and was very stupid) and paid a big price for it. And its a sad story. He doesn't deserve it though, not like someone going to the island to intentionally kill off these people.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited November 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    Or they just disagree with you. I mean, you may not be correct, that is an option. 
    No, it isn't, lol. Not this time. What they're doing is assuming that the missionary guy wasn't as dangerous as a murderer/rapist to those people on that island. But that isn't the case. I think they are failing to see it from that perspective. They have to be. Otherwise they would at least understand my comparison, if not agree with it. But this concept seems to have whooshed right over most of their heads.
    you make a direct statement saying nobody deserves to die if this guy doesn't. people come up wth questions/examples to counter that (vague) statement, and you are mocking them for doing so with this "Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?". 

    your statement could be taken in any number of ways, and the fact that so many people apparently misunderstood it is more of a comment on the person who stated it than those interpreting it. all you have to do is clarify it rather than getting all high and mighty about it. 
    Oh well! :lol:
    I so completely don't give a shit this time. I 100% stand behind everything I have said. I guess I'm coming off as high and mighty because I find the arguments against what I said irritating and rather dimwitted, frankly. Just being honest - I don't need people to like what I'm saying.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,028
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    I've said I think the missionary was wrong and the tribe should be left alone.
    But I consider a rapist one of the lowest people on earth. This guy was much better than that. He made a bad decision, but that decision had good intentions whether you agree with him or not.
    I think saying he deserved this and comparing him to anyone bad, especially a rapist, is not accurate and overreaching. 

    Okay then, murderer, just to avoid the subjective ideas about the seriousness of rape and the comparisons of it to the concepts driving colonization I suppose? So a MURDERER breaking into a family's home is comparable. Is that better for you? I'm not AT ALL talking about what this guy was like as a person. I'm talking only of the threat he posed to the tribe, in their minds. And I do still think that rapist is as good a comparison in that context as anything. 
    I'm sure some slave traders had good intentions too btw. That doesn't seem like something that would have been very relevant to the slaves though, does it?
    I don't like it because of the intent.
    You talk about a murderer breaking into someone's home it implies he meant to hurt them.
    Although he very well could have carried disease and viruses to kill these people, that is definitely no this intent. So  Ijust don't see the comparison between rapist or murderer.

    I can't think of a single good intent a slave trader could have towards the slaves. Not ones that didn't involve freeing them.
    And I think intent does matter. If a man sees a homeless guy and helps him build a fire to get through a freezing night, and that fire goes out of control and burns down a house with a family in it, would you treat him the same as an arson who intentionally burns down a house with a family inside?
    The first guy definitely made a mistake, but I wouldn't compare him to the second. 
    This guy made a mistake (and was very stupid) and paid a big price for it. And its a sad story. He doesn't deserve it though, not like someone going to the island to intentionally kill off these people.
    his intent is irrelevant to the act of the tribespeople killing him. they don't know his intent. they don't care. if they care they may die. 

    I think where this spiralled out of control is where she said the vague comment"nobody does". people got confused by that (and I still don't know who the "nobody" is in this context). and she doubled down on it. and here we are. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    Or they just disagree with you. I mean, you may not be correct, that is an option. 
    No, it isn't, lol. Not this time. What they're doing is assuming that the missionary guy wasn't as dangerous as a murderer/rapist to those people on that island. But that isn't the case. I think they are failing to see it from that perspective. They have to be. Otherwise they would at least understand my comparison, if not agree with it. But this concept seems to have whooshed right over most of their heads.
    you make a direct statement saying nobody deserves to die if this guy doesn't. people come up wth questions/examples to counter that (vague) statement, and you are mocking them for doing so with this "Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?". 

    your statement could be taken in any number of ways, and the fact that so many people apparently misunderstood it is more of a comment on the person who stated it than those interpreting it. all you have to do is clarify it rather than getting all high and mighty about it. 
    Oh well! :lol:
    I so completely don't give a shit this time. I 100% stand behind everything I have said. I guess I'm coming off as high and mighty because I find the arguments against what I said irritating and rather dimwitted, frankly. Just being honest - I don't need people to like what I'm saying.

    For someone that likes to lecture me, calling people dimwits is pretty funny.


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited November 2018
    cincybearcat said:
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    mace1229 said:
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    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    Or they just disagree with you. I mean, you may not be correct, that is an option. 
    No, it isn't, lol. Not this time. What they're doing is assuming that the missionary guy wasn't as dangerous as a murderer/rapist to those people on that island. But that isn't the case. I think they are failing to see it from that perspective. They have to be. Otherwise they would at least understand my comparison, if not agree with it. But this concept seems to have whooshed right over most of their heads.
    you make a direct statement saying nobody deserves to die if this guy doesn't. people come up wth questions/examples to counter that (vague) statement, and you are mocking them for doing so with this "Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?". 

    your statement could be taken in any number of ways, and the fact that so many people apparently misunderstood it is more of a comment on the person who stated it than those interpreting it. all you have to do is clarify it rather than getting all high and mighty about it. 
    Oh well! :lol:
    I so completely don't give a shit this time. I 100% stand behind everything I have said. I guess I'm coming off as high and mighty because I find the arguments against what I said irritating and rather dimwitted, frankly. Just being honest - I don't need people to like what I'm saying.

    For someone that likes to lecture me, calling people dimwits is pretty funny.


    I didn't call anyone a dimwit. I said the arguments are dimwitted. There really is a significant difference.
    I also don't know what you're finding funny or how it related to me lecturing you, haha.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
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    mace1229 said:
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    PJ_Soul said:
    If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.
    So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 
    Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.
    Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?
    Well, you compared him to a rapist-burglar who gets shot in the head. I don't think its that big of a leap when you compare an unarmed missionary trying to share the Bible religion to a rapist. I'm not going to scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said "no one deserves to die as much as him" or something very close to that.
    SO with that being said, comparing him to a rapist, yeah, I can see why several on here are thinking that.
    Well I made that comment before I mentioned a rapist, but I do stand by the comparison in any case, and am surprised that so few think it's apt. It tells me that most aren't really thinking about the perspective of the tribes people at all.
    I've said I think the missionary was wrong and the tribe should be left alone.
    But I consider a rapist one of the lowest people on earth. This guy was much better than that. He made a bad decision, but that decision had good intentions whether you agree with him or not.
    I think saying he deserved this and comparing him to anyone bad, especially a rapist, is not accurate and overreaching. 

    Okay then, murderer, just to avoid the subjective ideas about the seriousness of rape and the comparisons of it to the concepts driving colonization I suppose? So a MURDERER breaking into a family's home is comparable. Is that better for you? I'm not AT ALL talking about what this guy was like as a person. I'm talking only of the threat he posed to the tribe, in their minds. And I do still think that rapist is as good a comparison in that context as anything. 
    I'm sure some slave traders had good intentions too btw. That doesn't seem like something that would have been very relevant to the slaves though, does it?
    I don't like it because of the intent.
    You talk about a murderer breaking into someone's home it implies he meant to hurt them.
    Although he very well could have carried disease and viruses to kill these people, that is definitely no this intent. So  Ijust don't see the comparison between rapist or murderer.

    I can't think of a single good intent a slave trader could have towards the slaves. Not ones that didn't involve freeing them.
    And I think intent does matter. If a man sees a homeless guy and helps him build a fire to get through a freezing night, and that fire goes out of control and burns down a house with a family in it, would you treat him the same as an arson who intentionally burns down a house with a family inside?
    The first guy definitely made a mistake, but I wouldn't compare him to the second. 
    This guy made a mistake (and was very stupid) and paid a big price for it. And its a sad story. He doesn't deserve it though, not like someone going to the island to intentionally kill off these people.
    his intent is irrelevant to the act of the tribespeople killing him. they don't know his intent. they don't care. if they care they may die. 

    I think where this spiralled out of control is where she said the vague comment"nobody does". people got confused by that (and I still don't know who the "nobody" is in this context). and she doubled down on it. and here we are. 
    I agree.
    But I think it matters in terms of if he deserved it or not, and if he should be compared to a murderer/rapist or not. I saw several say he deserved it. I just can't understand why anyone would say he deserves this. Say its his own fault, he was stupid or careless. But he didn't deserve to get killed.

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