US Christian Missionary endanger the lives of inhabitants on isolated Indian island

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.

So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.

Yeah I don’t agree with this at all. This is the worst thing someone has ever done? 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Read through the first 3 pages. I'm surprised by the amount of hate towards the missionary. 
He was not smart in what he did, and should not have gone there, but he did what he thought was right. You can't blame hi for what others did hundreds of years before him. He did not deserve to die and it is a sad story, no matter how stupid his decision to go was.
Penn, from Penn and Teller said something in an interview one time that struck me. He is an open atheist, but said he is often offended when someone of religion doesn't talk to him about God. The reason is even if he doesn't agree, that person believes they are going to hell and they don't care enough to even mention it. So why be offended when someone reaches out to you? Why can't you be thankful that someone cares enough about you, even if you don't believe in it?

I don't blame the tribe, although I'm not sure I buy all the reasons put forth. I doubt they did it to protect their land or families. The incident that happened over 100 years earlier involved many men, not one unarmed man. I seriously doubt they felt threatened by a single man. Same with the 2 previous boats that washed ashore, I doubt they felt threatened enough, and was probably obvious that they had no control over the boats when they killed those men. There is no way they are aware of the disease others could bring. The truth is that many, probably most ancient tribes don't value life the way we do today. So killing a stranger doesn't require a second thought. Just like many of the native tribes in North, Central and South America. Many even had human sacrifices. So I don't think there's any reason to try and justify the killing, because to them there probably is no need for justification/ That's my guess, and that is all it is, a guess. 
I agree they should be left alone and kept isolated.

I think the reason for that is, throughout history, there has been so much murder/genocide/wars attributed to "christians doing what they thought was right". 

I also don't believe he deserved to die, but I think some people define "deserved" differently than I might. if there are only two choices, where one choice is the missionary dies, or the tribe potentially dies from western disease, who deserved their fate more?

Exactly....he could have wiped out the entire population.  Maybe god intervened?

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.

so if he escaped with his life, and didn't go back, but when was then charged with his crime, do you think the death penatly would apply here? 

Of course not, I NEVER support the death penalty, and you know that. This and the death penalty aren't even close to the same thing. This is more like when a crazy rapist-burglar breaks into someone's home and starts attacking family members and someone shoots him in the head in self-defense.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.

Yeah I don’t agree with this at all. This is the worst thing someone has ever done? 

Not at all - wow everyone, I'm surprised that my comment seems to have gone over all of your heads.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.

So someone trying to spread his religion deserves to die more than the dozens of people on death row for multiple intentional homicides? 

Nope, lol. SMH. I find it ridiculous that everyone's mind went to the DP when I said that. Silliness.

Also, did everyone suddenly lose their full grasp of the English language, when they thought my sentence means that this guy deserves death more than anyone else on earth? Wtf?

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.

so if he escaped with his life, and didn't go back, but when was then charged with his crime, do you think the death penatly would apply here? 

Of course not, I NEVER support the death penalty, and you know that. This and the death penalty aren't even close to the same thing. This is more like when a crazy rapist-burglar breaks into someone's home and starts attacking family members and someone shoots him in the head in self-defense.

well, to me "deserved" to die is different than what you're saying here. I think the tribe deserved to defend themselves in any way possible, but that's not the same as saying the missionary deserved to die. 

HughFreakingDillon

and speaking of inconsistent comparisons, I'm not sure how "missionary trying to spread the word of god" is in any way similar to "crazy rapist burglar breaks into someone's home and start attacking family members". 

no one knows what this guy's intent was, but I hardly believe it was to rape and murder the tribe, or to even shake their hands too hard. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

If this guy didn't deserve to die then NOBODY does.

so if he escaped with his life, and didn't go back, but when was then charged with his crime, do you think the death penatly would apply here? 

Of course not, I NEVER support the death penalty, and you know that. This and the death penalty aren't even close to the same thing. This is more like when a crazy rapist-burglar breaks into someone's home and starts attacking family members and someone shoots him in the head in self-defense.

well, to me "deserved" to die is different than what you're saying here. I think the tribe deserved to defend themselves in any way possible, but that's not the same as saying the missionary deserved to die. 

That's fine. But I really do mean deserved. I think this guy deserved to die just like any criminal who goes into someone's home with the intent to commit harm to the people inside it and is faced with someone using lethal force in self-defense does.

HughFreakingDillon

well I don't think anyone deserves to die. I think that lethal force is definitely acceptable when defending yourself, but to me that's not the same as deserved. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Calm down everybody. This isn't a thread about Backspacer.

HughFreakingDillon

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Calm down everybody. This isn't a thread about Backspacer.

STUFF IT AGNES!

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

well I don't think anyone deserves to die. I think that lethal force is definitely acceptable when defending yourself, but to me that's not the same as deserved. 

Really? Fair enough. I totally think that a lot of people very much deserve to die. Basically anyone whose purposeful actions predictably threaten their lives deserve the death that it brought upon them. That doesn't mean I actually wish death upon anyone who places themselves in those circumstance... but sometimes I'm also glad they died, depending on the circumstances.

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Calm down everybody. This isn't a thread about Backspacer.

STUFF IT AGNES!

Spiritual_Chaos

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

well I don't think anyone deserves to die. I think that lethal force is definitely acceptable when defending yourself, but to me that's not the same as deserved. 

Really? Fair enough. I totally think that a lot of people very much deserve to die. Basically anyone whose purposeful actions predictably threaten their lives deserve the death that it brought upon them. That doesn't mean I actually wish death upon anyone who places themselves in those circumstance... but sometimes I'm also glad they died, depending on the circumstances.

... and people wanted me and you to start a family...

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

well I don't think anyone deserves to die. I think that lethal force is definitely acceptable when defending yourself, but to me that's not the same as deserved. 

Really? Fair enough. I totally think that a lot of people very much deserve to die. Basically anyone whose purposeful actions predictably threaten their lives deserve the death that it brought upon them. That doesn't mean I actually wish death upon anyone who places themselves in those circumstance... but sometimes I'm also glad they died, depending on the circumstances.

... and people wanted me and you to start a family...

They did??

No seriously... you think there is something wrong with this perspective? If so, why?

Meltdown99

Didn't he attempt to go the island 7 times and was chased away on previous attempts.  What part of no did this fool not understand?  But I get it, my mother in law is a Jesus freak and holy roller from hell, some of them Jesus freaks really are that fucking dumb.  And guess, he is now taking a long dirt nap.  I'd rather enjoy than waste my time on a fairy tale.  Should have seen the look on her face when i said there is no heaven, imagine telling a 4 year there is no Santa, very similar expression, I imagine ...except I would never tell a child Santa is not real.

HughFreakingDillon

being "glad" someone died? I mean, I have no sympathy for people who do jumpingjacks on the edge of a skyscraper to get likes on instagram, but I'm not "glad" they died. 

same with rapists/murderers. no sympathy, but not glad either. 

Spiritual_Chaos

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

well I don't think anyone deserves to die. I think that lethal force is definitely acceptable when defending yourself, but to me that's not the same as deserved. 

Really? Fair enough. I totally think that a lot of people very much deserve to die. Basically anyone whose purposeful actions predictably threaten their lives deserve the death that it brought upon them. That doesn't mean I actually wish death upon anyone who places themselves in those circumstance... but sometimes I'm also glad they died, depending on the circumstances.

... and people wanted me and you to start a family...

They did??

No seriously... you think there is something wrong with this perspective? If so, why?

I'm not glad about death. I'm more sad about death. I think it is sad that this dumbfuck put himself in a position to be arrowed down, instead of trying to beat the high schore to Tetris or try to get to see "Fatal" live.

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

well I don't think anyone deserves to die. I think that lethal force is definitely acceptable when defending yourself, but to me that's not the same as deserved. 

Really? Fair enough. I totally think that a lot of people very much deserve to die. Basically anyone whose purposeful actions predictably threaten their lives deserve the death that it brought upon them. That doesn't mean I actually wish death upon anyone who places themselves in those circumstance... but sometimes I'm also glad they died, depending on the circumstances.

... and people wanted me and you to start a family...

They did??

No seriously... you think there is something wrong with this perspective? If so, why?

I'm not glad about death. I'm more sad about death. I think it is sad that this dumbfuck put himself in a position to be arrowed down, instead of trying to beat the high schore to Tetris or try to get to see "Fatal" live.

To be clear, I'm not saying I'm glad this particular guy is dead. I really save that sentiment for people like serial killers who get done in by their attack victim, or when a matador gets gored or a lion hunter gets mauled to death. With this guy in particular... well, I definitely can't say I'm sad at all. He did get what he deserved, and his reasons for doing what he did are infuriating to me, so I'm really more annoyed than else. But I'm not glad that he's dead... I'm am glad he didn't manage to convert that tribe or anything I guess. But I'm specifically not glad about the publicity the story is getting though. I'm now more concerned about that tribe than ever. THAT is what I'm sad about. And it's all that dumb dead Christian's fault.