Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,138
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.

    They may as well go with someone hard left. I mean, they could go with Collin Peterson from Minnesota* who voted against impeachment and he'd still become the right's poster-child for evil and crazy liberalness. And everyone else would be even left of him!  If the position is going to be a figurehead for evil liberalism, may as well go all the way...

    *I neither know nor care whether he won
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    OnWis97 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.

    They may as well go with someone hard left. I mean, they could go with Collin Peterson from Minnesota* who voted against impeachment and he'd still become the right's poster-child for evil and crazy liberalness. And everyone else would be even left of him!  If the position is going to be a figurehead for evil liberalism, may as well go all the way...

    *I neither know nor care whether he won
    He didn't. Crazy Fischbach won. Die hard Trumpet.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,443
    static111 said:





    At least I get some good news
    100,000 people? Wow no idea she only has that few votes. Awful big voice for such a small base. 
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  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,501
    edited November 2020
    Minnesota always has very high voter turnout. Omar can get some credit for bumping up turn out in her district, but the turnout in the rural areas in MN was just as high. Rural MN went deep red. I feel a big part of that was due to the unrest after George Floyd’s death, and Trump hammering on immigration and Omar on his visits to the state.

    She’s a lot like Trump. Her base in her district love her. Also her district would vote for a potato as long as it had a D next to the name. Outside of there, she’s loathed.
    Post edited by jerparker20 on
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:





    At least I get some good news
    100,000 people? Wow no idea she only has that few votes. Awful big voice for such a small base. 
    I think there are millions of people that aren’t in her district that believe in her. That might be what helps amplify her voice.  Also the republicans putting a target on her has made her very popular for the news networks.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Sadly I think people on this forum are too conservative for any successful plan Omar or anyone of the squad has to offer.   I need to just move my family to Sweden.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
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  • She’s a lot like Trump.
    Sure.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    edited November 2020
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
  • what dreams said:

    The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    What numbers did he have with latino and black men country.wide, with mail in votes added?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,501

    She’s a lot like Trump.
    Sure.
    Nice edit of the rest of the comment to take it out of context. You may have a future working for the Daily Caller.
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
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  • She’s a lot like Trump.
    Sure.
    Nice edit of the rest of the comment to take it out of context. You may have a future working for the Daily Caller.
    he really likes editing. 
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  • he
    yes.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    he
    yes.
    😂
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  • he
    yes.
    LMAO. that was actually funny
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    Again, you cause and effect confuses me. Biden went right BECAUSE the left is unreliable? Really? Answering yes is a problem. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,671
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    And centrist,  independent vote.  I know people who would have stayed home had Bernie been the nominee. 
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    How does one build a coalition with unreliable voters?
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    Again, you cause and effect confuses me. Biden went right BECAUSE the left is unreliable? Really? Answering yes is a problem. 
    According to everything I have read the move to the right was to bring moderate Republican support because moving to the left could lose moderate Republican support and/or because the left were unreliable voters.  We will never know what a move to the left would have brought, we do know that AOC+3 were all re-elected and more progressives in their image won seats, we know that marijuana legalization largely passed, we know that in Florida $15 minimum wage passed, we know progressive ballot measures passed. We also know that Joe Biden’s strategy of moving right to bring in moderate republicans did absolutely nothing and that less republicans voted D than did in 2016.  Putting all that together I would say the electorate at least down ballot favors left leaning policies and I don’t think that if joe had went left that it would have hurt his chances I think it would have gained votes, based on the progressive down ballot elections and ballot measures that passed.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    And centrist,  independent vote.  I know people who would have stayed home had Bernie been the nominee. 
    Man we aren’t talking Bernie he lost the nomination. We are talking Joe reaching slightly to the left instead of John Kasich types.  Obviously that strategy failed at least in regards to getting more republicans to vote for joe.  I was never expecting Joe to be Bernie. I’m saying that based on what we now know perhaps making some sort of outreach to the left of center would have brought more votes. Down ballot candidates and ballot measures tell a story of Americans supporting progressive measures.  I mean Fox News just had a poll that said 70% of Americans are in favor of M4A...Fox News!
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  • mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    And centrist,  independent vote.  I know people who would have stayed home had Bernie been the nominee. 
    and trump's cries of socialism would have been 10x more effective. bernie would have gotten destroyed. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,443
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,443
    How does one build a coalition with unreliable voters?
    This is an interesting question.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    How does one build a coalition with unreliable voters?
    The only people that claim they are unreliable is the people that aren’t willing to work with them. Lol. Hey vote for me...why what will you do for my concerns? Nothing... well why should I vote for you?  Ugh you lefty’s are so unreliable... I guess I’ll go try to reach out to these republicans who might not  support trump and don’t have any common ground with me instead...seems like a great strategy to me.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,443
    edited November 2020
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
    I certainly made no such comment.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,443
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
    I certainly made no such comment.
    Everyone that didn't vote your way....you sure did.  
    hippiemom = goodness
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