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They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?mrussel1 said:
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?tempo_n_groove said:
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.tempo_n_groove said:
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.Halifax2TheMax said:Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity .
When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
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Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?mrussel1 said:
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?mrussel1 said:
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?tempo_n_groove said:
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.tempo_n_groove said:
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.Halifax2TheMax said:Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity .
When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
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As for AOC, her constituents can vote her out in 2020. Bezos? They’d be stuck with him.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it.Halifax2TheMax said:
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?mrussel1 said:
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?mrussel1 said:
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?tempo_n_groove said:
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.tempo_n_groove said:
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.Halifax2TheMax said:Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity .
When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.0 -
If “need has nothing to do with it,” why the fuck are they asking for it? They can spend their own damn money to bless the residents of NY with their jobs. I hope folks have fun listening to the wind in KS. Start ups need the grease, billionaire individuals and corporations do not. And we’ll see if AOC gets re-elected or not, her sleeping habits notwithstanding.mrussel1 said:
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it.Halifax2TheMax said:
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?mrussel1 said:
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?mrussel1 said:
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?tempo_n_groove said:
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.tempo_n_groove said:
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.Halifax2TheMax said:Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity .
When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
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We've been through this.... it's fiduciary duty to the shareholders. 3 billion in incentives between now and 2028 and 20 billion in tax dollars paid. Make me that ratio deal on any amount, and you have a deal. But AOC can keep pushing for $15 min wage while pushing out $58 per hour.Halifax2TheMax said:
If “need has nothing to do with it,” why the fuck are they asking for it? They can spend their own damn money to bless the residents of NY with their jobs. I hope folks have fun listening to the wind in KS. Start ups need the grease, billionaire individuals and corporations do not. And we’ll see if AOC gets re-elected or not, her sleeping habits notwithstanding.mrussel1 said:
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it.Halifax2TheMax said:
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?mrussel1 said:
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?mrussel1 said:
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?tempo_n_groove said:
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.tempo_n_groove said:
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.Halifax2TheMax said:Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity .
When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
I'm tired of this conversation, but it was interesting. Thanks. We'll see the next thing she does to put herself on front page.0 -
Yup, agree to disagree. I believe human welfare should take priority over corporate welfare and that share holders shouldn’t be subsidized. To each their own.mrussel1 said:
We've been through this.... it's fiduciary duty to the shareholders. 3 billion in incentives between now and 2028 and 20 billion in tax dollars paid. Make me that ratio deal on any amount, and you have a deal. But AOC can keep pushing for $15 min wage while pushing out $58 per hour.Halifax2TheMax said:
If “need has nothing to do with it,” why the fuck are they asking for it? They can spend their own damn money to bless the residents of NY with their jobs. I hope folks have fun listening to the wind in KS. Start ups need the grease, billionaire individuals and corporations do not. And we’ll see if AOC gets re-elected or not, her sleeping habits notwithstanding.mrussel1 said:
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it.Halifax2TheMax said:
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?mrussel1 said:
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?mrussel1 said:
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?tempo_n_groove said:
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.tempo_n_groove said:
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.Halifax2TheMax said:Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity .
When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
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OK so I knock the fact that Amazon coming here would have driven prices of things through the roof in the surrounding areas.
I can't get past all the big paying jobs and tax revenue that would have come from those people though.
If Ocasio wants money to be spread around and make it green then she missed out on a huge opportunity. She could have worked with Amazon's team and built a LEED certified building(s) right there in LIC even though it's not her district.0 -
You bring up another point that hasn't been discussed. All of the construction work for the HQ2, renovated buildings, subway, etc. would have been a host of new jobs, all union probably.tempo_n_groove said:OK so I knock the fact that Amazon coming here would have driven prices of things through the roof in the surrounding areas.
I can't get past all the big paying jobs and tax revenue that would have come from those people though.
If Ocasio wants money to be spread around and make it green then she missed out on a huge opportunity. She could have worked with Amazon's team and built a LEED certified building(s) right there in LIC even though it's not her district.0 -
The subways there are a mess and still need to be addressed though.mrussel1 said:
You bring up another point that hasn't been discussed. All of the construction work for the HQ2, renovated buildings, subway, etc. would have been a host of new jobs, all union probably.tempo_n_groove said:OK so I knock the fact that Amazon coming here would have driven prices of things through the roof in the surrounding areas.
I can't get past all the big paying jobs and tax revenue that would have come from those people though.
If Ocasio wants money to be spread around and make it green then she missed out on a huge opportunity. She could have worked with Amazon's team and built a LEED certified building(s) right there in LIC even though it's not her district.
I did read that 10 billion on buildings in that area.
That is some serious coin.
That is 10 years of construction.
Bad thing is most of LIC was done by non-union.0 -
What do you mean? LIC construction would have been non-union? I would have thought Queens construction work would be heavily unionized; all the boroughs in fact.tempo_n_groove said:
The subways there are a mess and still need to be addressed though.mrussel1 said:
You bring up another point that hasn't been discussed. All of the construction work for the HQ2, renovated buildings, subway, etc. would have been a host of new jobs, all union probably.tempo_n_groove said:OK so I knock the fact that Amazon coming here would have driven prices of things through the roof in the surrounding areas.
I can't get past all the big paying jobs and tax revenue that would have come from those people though.
If Ocasio wants money to be spread around and make it green then she missed out on a huge opportunity. She could have worked with Amazon's team and built a LEED certified building(s) right there in LIC even though it's not her district.
I did read that 10 billion on buildings in that area.
That is some serious coin.
That is 10 years of construction.
Bad thing is most of LIC was done by non-union.0 -
The reason people or companies or governments make deals is because they feel their gain over time will be greater than their concessions. It's not a politician in NYC's responsibility to make sure Amazon is paying what they 'morally should'; it's a politician's responsibility to make sure that if Amazon offers a deal, they assure that a deal's only accepted if it's a net benefit for the community, and that it can and should bear the concessions for that future - with no bias against a company simply because it's 'really big' unless that's truly relevant to the value to/from the community. It's also a politician's responsibility to propose better laws if they feel the advantages large corporations have are unfounded.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, agree to disagree. I believe human welfare should take priority over corporate welfare and that share holders shouldn’t be subsidized. To each their own.mrussel1 said:
We've been through this.... it's fiduciary duty to the shareholders. 3 billion in incentives between now and 2028 and 20 billion in tax dollars paid. Make me that ratio deal on any amount, and you have a deal. But AOC can keep pushing for $15 min wage while pushing out $58 per hour.Halifax2TheMax said:
If “need has nothing to do with it,” why the fuck are they asking for it? They can spend their own damn money to bless the residents of NY with their jobs. I hope folks have fun listening to the wind in KS. Start ups need the grease, billionaire individuals and corporations do not. And we’ll see if AOC gets re-elected or not, her sleeping habits notwithstanding.mrussel1 said:
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it.Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:tempo_n_groove said:Halifax2TheMax said:tempo_n_groove said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
I'm tired of this conversation, but it was interesting. Thanks. We'll see the next thing she does to put herself on front page.
It's nice to put moral expectations on a company, but unless you're ready to boycott the company when they don't behave the way you want, how are you going to threaten their power and force a change? Unless you're ready to boycott the company, in which case kudos to you.
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It is something that a bunch of the unions talk about. There was a big private building push in LIC and the unions, many of them, didn't fight or try to get in on them. They had WTC and Hudson yards being built(still going on) so the term "everybody is eating" come to mind.mrussel1 said:
What do you mean? LIC construction would have been non-union? I would have thought Queens construction work would be heavily unionized; all the boroughs in fact.tempo_n_groove said:
The subways there are a mess and still need to be addressed though.mrussel1 said:
You bring up another point that hasn't been discussed. All of the construction work for the HQ2, renovated buildings, subway, etc. would have been a host of new jobs, all union probably.tempo_n_groove said:OK so I knock the fact that Amazon coming here would have driven prices of things through the roof in the surrounding areas.
I can't get past all the big paying jobs and tax revenue that would have come from those people though.
If Ocasio wants money to be spread around and make it green then she missed out on a huge opportunity. She could have worked with Amazon's team and built a LEED certified building(s) right there in LIC even though it's not her district.
I did read that 10 billion on buildings in that area.
That is some serious coin.
That is 10 years of construction.
Bad thing is most of LIC was done by non-union.
Midtown Manhattan is still being built up too so there is a bunch of work that is union but all of LIC wasn't.
The one main presence of union work in LIC was crane operators. The lock that they have on the industry is impressive.0 -
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The reason people or companies or governments make deals is because they feel their gain over time will be greater than their concessions. It's not a politician in NYC's responsibility to make sure Amazon is paying what they 'morally should'; it's a politician's responsibility to make sure that if Amazon offers a deal, they assure that a deal's only accepted if it's a net benefit for the community, and that it can and should bear the concessions for that future - with no bias against a company simply because it's 'really big' unless that's truly relevant to the value to/from the community. It's also a politician's responsibility to propose better laws if they feel the advantages large corporations have are unfounded.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, agree to disagree. I believe human welfare should take priority over corporate welfare and that share holders shouldn’t be subsidized. To each their own.mrussel1 said:
We've been through this.... it's fiduciary duty to the shareholders. 3 billion in incentives between now and 2028 and 20 billion in tax dollars paid. Make me that ratio deal on any amount, and you have a deal. But AOC can keep pushing for $15 min wage while pushing out $58 per hour.Halifax2TheMax said:
If “need has nothing to do with it,” why the fuck are they asking for it? They can spend their own damn money to bless the residents of NY with their jobs. I hope folks have fun listening to the wind in KS. Start ups need the grease, billionaire individuals and corporations do not. And we’ll see if AOC gets re-elected or not, her sleeping habits notwithstanding.mrussel1 said:
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it.Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:tempo_n_groove said:Halifax2TheMax said:tempo_n_groove said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
I'm tired of this conversation, but it was interesting. Thanks. We'll see the next thing she does to put herself on front page.
It's nice to put moral expectations on a company, but unless you're ready to boycott the company when they don't behave the way you want, how are you going to threaten their power and force a change? Unless you're ready to boycott the company, in which case kudos to you.
Maybe there should be LEED-esque human welfare compliance standards where companies can strive for an A+ workplace kind of thing. I'd participate in that.
Imagine if there were incentives to achieve that A+ ratings? Man that would be something else.
Tech companies seem to be doing that.
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