Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

Kat

Animals are really smart.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1098776458011525120

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Smellyman said:

dignin said:

Kicking ass, taking names...

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Torched Laura Ingraham Over a ‘Wack Billboard’ Subtweet

The Fox News host peddled an astroturfed billboard in Times Square about the Amazon deal—at her peril
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a26444063/aoc-laura-ingraham-amazon-billboard-times-square/

So many are falling for the right hit parade though.  Even moderates and left leaning.

lemmings

Hey there! I love that she’s speaking truth to power and as 1/435 of a body, she’s striking fear into the hearts of pasty white repubs, even though they all secretly lust. Great theater.

Truth to power? Hahhhahaha fucking joke right?

Care to say otherwise? Or hahahahaha, it’s a joke, right?
 

Yeah you saying truth to power is a joke.  Super funny.  Thanks for the laugh.

Way to add to the conversation LOL.

mrussel1

Smellyman said:

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

dignin said:

Kicking ass, taking names...

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Torched Laura Ingraham Over a ‘Wack Billboard’ Subtweet

The Fox News host peddled an astroturfed billboard in Times Square about the Amazon deal—at her peril
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a26444063/aoc-laura-ingraham-amazon-billboard-times-square/

So many are falling for the right hit parade though.  Even moderates and left leaning.

lemmings

How do you know you're not the lemming here?

Just curious how I"m a lemming.  I'm a moderate and I think the public pressure by NYC politicians was idiotic.  I articulated it in great deal with actual tax information and how the ROI case is a no brainer.  So just wondering how the fuck I'm a lemming.  

mrussel1

And @Smellyman how you are a deep thinker on the issue, when I don't recall you making any sort of thoughtful economic case on how it benefits the people of Queens and NYC by Amazon leaving.  Interested in hearing your original assessment.  

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

Point to me where she took credit for it.

One of her first tweets after the back out:
"Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit. 

But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. 
She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out.
So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?

All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

Point to me where she took credit for it.

One of her first tweets after the back out:
"Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit. 

But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. 
She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out.
So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?

All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.

It is right wing propaganda, but the left would do the same.  She opened herself up to it.  Maybe she's fine with it, but no one should be surprised by it either.  As much as the left wants to make Steve King or Roy Moore the poster child for the right, the same is true for AOC.  

Halifax2TheMax

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

Point to me where she took credit for it.

One of her first tweets after the back out:
"Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit. 

But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. 
She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out.
So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?

All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.

that doesn't make what mace or mrussel are saying is incorrect. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Meltdown99

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Who were they non-commital to, politicians in New York?  Since when does a private company in the land of the free have to answer to politicians who they hire.  That 3 billion would have filled NY  coffers with far more than 3 billion over the years.

cincybearcat

Meltdown99 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Who were they non-commital to, politicians in New York?  Since when does a private company in the land of the free have to answer to politicians who they hire.  That 3 billion would have filled NY  coffers with far more than 3 billion over the years.

Yeah I don’t get this at all. They know exactly where they are going to fill 25,000 jobs from? I don’t think so. 

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

tempo_n_groove

I've talked about this quite a bit but if Amazon was going to build 10Billion dollars worth of buildings that would create a ton of jobs and tax revenue.

For example the WTC or WT one costed almost 4 billion, Giants stadium cost 2 billion, Yankee stadium 2 billion.

So there would be a whole lot of construction jobs going on for a long time.

That is a lot of tax dollars going on there.

That being said though the influx of higher wage jobs, even if there were only 5000 of them, would surely effect the immediate areas.

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail.  I don't know how they are "outsiders".  Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city?  I don't.  I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them.  Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs?  Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.  

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

Point to me where she took credit for it.

One of her first tweets after the back out:
"Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit. 

But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. 
She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out.
So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?

All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.

Yes I agree with that. But my comment was in response to the fact that if you believe AOC had anything to do with the Amazon deal then you must have fallen victim to the right propaganda.
My response wasn't that the right hasn't tried to make this political, its that AOC was heavily involved in protesting this and celbrated heavily when it failed, and in my opinion taking credit for it. So the fact you associate AOC with the Amazon deal in itself is not propaganda, she has fully taken on that role. 

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

Point to me where she took credit for it.

One of her first tweets after the back out:
"Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit. 

But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. 
She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out.
So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?

All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.

Yes I agree with that. But my comment was in response to the fact that if you believe AOC had anything to do with the Amazon deal then you must have fallen victim to the right propaganda.
My response wasn't that the right hasn't tried to make this political, its that AOC was heavily involved in protesting this and celbrated heavily when it failed, and in my opinion taking credit for it. So the fact you associate AOC with the Amazon deal in itself is not propaganda, she has fully taken on that role. 

OK got it.

I've mentioned the two people directly responsible for Amazon not coming to NY and AOC isn't one of them.

She took a little credit for it but I haven't seen where she would take sole responsibility for it though.

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

Outsiders does seem like an interesting term for them. Perhaps they should build a wall around the community to keep the outsiders out?

You know, having those people move on creates needs for more stores, restaurants, etc. They would be spending $ in that community.

i do understand their is a concern about changing the neighborhood, but I just think the benefit outweighs the risk there. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail.  I don't know how they are "outsiders".  Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city?  I don't.  I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them.  Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs?  Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.  

The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.