Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

JeBurkhardt

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

Maybe I am too cynical, but my guess is that the elites that attend a gala like that are well aware of the inequity of wealth and the fact that they benefit from the current tax system. I just don't think they care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

I think she's a fool.  

Ted Crud is a fool. Matt Getts Off is a fool. Maggie Three Names is a fool. Boebert is a fool. Deathsantis is a fool. AOC is not a fool.

Speaks truth to power. An equivalent set of balls would be any of my aforementioned fools wearing an outfit that said “ban assault weapons” to CPAC or whatever conservative hosted charitable gala, if there are any, they happened to be invited to.

Speaking of charitable galas, which ones do “compassionate conservatives” organize, attend and donate to?

And let’s see if her political donations drop off and she’s unseated in 2022, being the “fool” you think she is.

She speaks what she believes to be her truth.  That's not my truth. So I think she is foolish in the way she approaches issues. She doesn't appear to be interested in actually solving problems.  She decides instead to do this, or go after Manchin for calling her a "young lady"... and that all drowns out whatever message she is trying to get across.  That's foolish to me. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?

Because people are talking about HER, not her message.  I don't buy the 'any attention is good attention' mantra of the Lindsay Lohan's of the world. 

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.

HughFreakingDillon

JeBurkhardt said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

Maybe I am too cynical, but my guess is that the elites that attend a gala like that are well aware of the inequity of wealth and the fact that they benefit from the current tax system. I just don't think they care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.

i get what you are saying. you are most likely right. but it promotes her message and shows her constituents that she's willing to speak up where it's not welcome. it's as much a political message as it is social. 

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?

Because people are talking about HER, not her message.  I don't buy the 'any attention is good attention' mantra of the Lindsay Lohan's of the world. 

disagree. her issue is being talked about. it usually is. the left is focusing on the issue, the right is equally focusing on it because they love to call her a socialist communist. 

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.

She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?

Because people are talking about HER, not her message.  I don't buy the 'any attention is good attention' mantra of the Lindsay Lohan's of the world. 

disagree. her issue is being talked about. it usually is. the left is focusing on the issue, the right is equally focusing on it because they love to call her a socialist communist. 

Is it?  Only by the people that are already sold on it.  She hurts swing districts. 

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?

Because people are talking about HER, not her message.  I don't buy the 'any attention is good attention' mantra of the Lindsay Lohan's of the world. 

disagree. her issue is being talked about. it usually is. the left is focusing on the issue, the right is equally focusing on it because they love to call her a socialist communist. 

The right will only ever talk about "her", rather than talking about the issues, no matter how she dresses or where she goes, so why not just capitalize on that?

I agree that if you want to get your message in the face of the rich, you might as well go where the rich are. 

oftenreading

JeBurkhardt said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

Maybe I am too cynical, but my guess is that the elites that attend a gala like that are well aware of the inequity of wealth and the fact that they benefit from the current tax system. I just don't think they care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.

Some of them will care more when they feel it makes them look bad personally. If you want to be cynical, some of them will care because advancing this issue will get them positive publicity.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.

She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 

What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.

She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 

What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?

No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  

JeBurkhardt

oftenreading said:

JeBurkhardt said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

Maybe I am too cynical, but my guess is that the elites that attend a gala like that are well aware of the inequity of wealth and the fact that they benefit from the current tax system. I just don't think they care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.

Some of them will care more when they feel it makes them look bad personally. If you want to be cynical, some of them will care because advancing this issue will get them positive publicity.

My observance has been that people like that live in a bubble, and the outside noise rarely gets to them enough to move their needle substantially. You might be right about the potential for positive publicity though.

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.

She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 

What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?

No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  

Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

Happens all the time here.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.

She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 

What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?

No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  

Seems like work to me:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Stupid debates? You're the one claiming that AOC "hasn't done the work." The history of Congress, the way it works, is by seniority. Appointed by majority/minority leadership. Newbies get relegated to sub-committees, typically, unless they come from a state with political clout. Did I say zero? I said rare but yet you made the claim. Again, what other first or second term congress person from either party has had major legislation passed? Why is AOC, in your eyes, held to a higher standard?

My position on Amazon was clearly stated in the Amazon or Bezos thread and I backed AOC on her decision. Again, on behalf of her constituents. Crystal City is a perfect spot for Amazon. How's the traffic and real estate prices in the surrounding area?

What attempted coup? Against House leadership? Sure. Did it give her standing? Yes. Did it let the old guard know that the future is nipping at their heels for a whole host of reasons, climate change, wealth/income disparity, rigged elections, education costs, etc.? Sure she did. Do the young dem people who vote subscribe more to her views or your views?

Again, you didn't answer my questions as it relates to the Green New Deal, for which, if memory serves, you condemned her for as well. Making sausage is hard.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.

She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 

What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?

No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  

Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

Happens all the time here.

So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn

I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 

She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”

She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 

Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.

She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 

What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?

No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  

Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

Happens all the time here.

So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  

There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?

As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.