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If you have lets say 200,000 people living in that area and rent becomes incontrollable and now only affluent people can live there those people have to move.mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
Where are they going? Their jobs and livelihood are most likely in that surrounding area. Now they get forced out. It's a form of gentrification.
The jobs aspect and taxes I can understand but that wasn't representing HER constituents so she did what the people she works for wanted.
I wanted it here for jobs and such. It would suck though to be anywhere near LIC after it would be built. That place is a nightmare now so I can only imagine what it would be like after HQ2?0 -
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.0 -
Read my response above.mrussel1 said:
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.0 -
Why can't any of her people work for Amazon? And yeah, gentrification happens everywhere. Is reducing an area to a slum a better option? What company is she waiting for to come in and bring the perfect mix of jobs and income, without any rent issues, etc. I don't believe in Utopia.tempo_n_groove said:
If you have lets say 200,000 people living in that area and rent becomes incontrollable and now only affluent people can live there those people have to move.mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
Where are they going? Their jobs and livelihood are most likely in that surrounding area. Now they get forced out. It's a form of gentrification.
The jobs aspect and taxes I can understand but that wasn't representing HER constituents so she did what the people she works for wanted.
I wanted it here for jobs and such. It would suck though to be anywhere near LIC after it would be built. That place is a nightmare now so I can only imagine what it would be like after HQ2?0 -
And why shouldn't it be "about one person, Bezos?" He was CEO until just recently. Sounds like indentured servitude. Nice company. From a guy who started it, owns just 10% of it and is one of the world's wealthiest individuals. Fuck him.mrussel1 said:
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
Oh, and I was mistaken, their turnover isn't 200%, its 150%. My bad.Amazon is currently the second-largest private employer in the U.S., and it could become the largest in a few years. But a new investigation by the New York Times raises significant questions about the company’s management of warehouse workers and discovers an unusually high rate of turnover among its hourly associates — around 150% a year, even before the pandemic, which means the company was losing around 3% of its warehouse workers each week (nearly double the rate of similar businesses).
“There’s an open question now — because the turnover is so high, and Amazon’s needs for growth and employment is so large — about whether or not it’s sustainable,” said New York Times technology reporter Karen Weise, who reported the story along with Jodi Kantor, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter at the Times.
“In conversations with current and former executives and leaders in Seattle, there is a palpable fear that Amazon will not have enough workers to be able to serve the customer demands that it foresees,” Weise said.
Part of what was so interesting, Kantor told “Marketplace Morning Report” host David Brancaccio, was that Amazon has long seen high turnover as a good thing — and has deliberately encouraged it through various internal policies.
“Bezos really wanted turnover. He was afraid of a stagnant workforce — what he would call a ‘march to mediocrity,’ ” Kantor said.
Continues
Investigation into Amazon raises questions about workforce turnover, HR errors - Marketplace
But think about this:
Weise: Exactly, it’s the equivalent of having to replace the entire workforce every eight months. And so it creates these incredible pressures and demands to constantly be scooping up new people and putting them through the system. And the hiring is completely automated, essentially. You don’t do an interview, you take an online assessment and you show up for work, basically — besides a drug test and some basic forms.
And add that black workers at the JFK8 facility were twice as likely as their white counterparts to be terminated.
Yea, AOC is a fool.
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1. Their attrition rate is irrelevant to this conversation. People attrite for a million different reasons. Check the attrition rate of a call center, it's higher than 150%.
2. I read that NYT article when it came out. It's full of anecdotes. Big fucking deal. I deal with data in my world, not anecdotes.
3. Why is it bad that it's about one person? Do you think Jeff Bezos notices what happens in his corporate tax bill? They just moved on to NOVA. Wow, what a victory for AOC. She really showed them. Or should I say "him".. since it's about Jeff Bezos, not the hundreds of thousands of employees and potential employees. Demagoguery.0 -
And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?mrussel1 said:
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I guess the city should stop collecting or allowing new companies to move into NYC until that question is answered...Halifax2TheMax said:
And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?mrussel1 said:
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?
Virginia has a budget surplus, btw. 2.6billion at the end of this year. And we have some of the best public education in the country. And our secondary education is second to none. UVA and W&M are both public schools and some of the best in the country.0 -
1. I'm sure you would appreciate being replaced every 8 months. Anecdotes? Its a business philosophy being pushed by Bezos and studied by business schools. You don't think its real? And call center turnover rates? I checked. Seems your spreading ancedotes:mrussel1 said:1. Their attrition rate is irrelevant to this conversation. People attrite for a million different reasons. Check the attrition rate of a call center, it's higher than 150%.
2. I read that NYT article when it came out. It's full of anecdotes. Big fucking deal. I deal with data in my world, not anecdotes.
3. Why is it bad that it's about one person? Do you think Jeff Bezos notices what happens in his corporate tax bill? They just moved on to NOVA. Wow, what a victory for AOC. She really showed them. Or should I say "him".. since it's about Jeff Bezos, not the hundreds of thousands of employees and potential employees. Demagoguery.Aug 17, 2021 — According to Quality Assurance and Training Connection, turnover in the call center industry averages 30% and 45%. When you lose a call center ...
Call Center Turnover: How to Eliminate Employee Attrition Costs - Replicant.aiSep 30, 2020 — The average turnover rate for a call center is 30-40%, but some centers see numbers as high as 100% in a single year. Hopefully, some of this ...
What’s Causing All That Turnover in Your Call Center? (myworkchoice.com)
Call Center Attrition averages around 32.6%. ... February 12, 2021 ... While the rate at which people leave call centers, no matter the size of the center, ...
Call Center Attrition – The Good, The Bad, The Indifferent - Call Criteria
2. See above
3. AOC's victory was for her constituents. In her district. As I said, fuck Bezos.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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No, the "city should stop collecting or allowing new companies to move into NYC........." That's just dumb. AOC didn't see the benefits flowing to her constituents. The ones who put her in office. The ones typically marginalized and displaced by a project scope of that size.mrussel1 said:
I guess the city should stop collecting or allowing new companies to move into NYC until that question is answered...Halifax2TheMax said:
And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?mrussel1 said:
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?
Virginia has a budget surplus, btw. 2.6billion at the end of this year. And we have some of the best public education in the country. And our secondary education is second to none. UVA and W&M are both public schools and some of the best in the country.
Thanks for the Virginia information. But I'm sure the state's proximity to DC plays a roll, yes? Defense contracting, government, etc., college educated folks in decent paying jobs, demographics. That said, lets see what the impact of Amazon is on the Syracuse area, where a warehouse recently opened. Or wherever it was where they had the recent, failed union drive.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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First, the links you provided don't seem to indicate whether these are onshore, near shore or offshore numbers. Attrition will vary wildly based on teh locations. Attrition in the Philippines, India, Costa Rica, etc. is very, very low because these are first world jobs. Now in Buffalo, Phoenix, and other larger cities that are a hotbed of call center, the numbers are higher. When you get to places like Arcadia, NY, El Paso, etc. they tend to fall in the middle. Teh industry makes a huge difference in the rates as well.Halifax2TheMax said:
1. I'm sure you would appreciate being replaced every 8 months. Anecdotes? Its a business philosophy being pushed by Bezos and studied by business schools. You don't think its real? And call center turnover rates? I checked. Seems your spreading ancedotes:mrussel1 said:1. Their attrition rate is irrelevant to this conversation. People attrite for a million different reasons. Check the attrition rate of a call center, it's higher than 150%.
2. I read that NYT article when it came out. It's full of anecdotes. Big fucking deal. I deal with data in my world, not anecdotes.
3. Why is it bad that it's about one person? Do you think Jeff Bezos notices what happens in his corporate tax bill? They just moved on to NOVA. Wow, what a victory for AOC. She really showed them. Or should I say "him".. since it's about Jeff Bezos, not the hundreds of thousands of employees and potential employees. Demagoguery.Aug 17, 2021 — According to Quality Assurance and Training Connection, turnover in the call center industry averages 30% and 45%. When you lose a call center ...
Call Center Turnover: How to Eliminate Employee Attrition Costs - Replicant.aiSep 30, 2020 — The average turnover rate for a call center is 30-40%, but some centers see numbers as high as 100% in a single year. Hopefully, some of this ...
What’s Causing All That Turnover in Your Call Center? (myworkchoice.com)
Call Center Attrition averages around 32.6%. ... February 12, 2021 ... While the rate at which people leave call centers, no matter the size of the center, ...
Call Center Attrition – The Good, The Bad, The Indifferent - Call Criteria
2. See above
3. AOC's victory was for her constituents. In her district. As I said, fuck Bezos.
Regardless, you seem to think that attrition means involuntary, based on your comment about being replaced every 8 months. My guess is that vast, vast majority of these are not terminations, but voluntary. Replacing even 50% of your workforce through terminations every year would be insane, simply because of the unemployment claims you would have to manage. Do you have a number that delineates voluntary vs terms?
Last, I appreciate your distaste for Bezos and belief that making economic decisions for the whole of an area based on that personal distaste. BTW, the HQ wasn't even in her district so it wasn't about "her" constituents". But just a question, is it fair to say that you don't have an Amazon account and have never ordered from Amazon?0 -
Believe it or not NYC had a plan in place to upgrade schools in the surrounding area w that intravenous of tax revenue. But if we go back to my original statement on that surrounding area the people it was meant to benefit will all have been pushed out to reap any of those benefits.Halifax2TheMax said:
And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?mrussel1 said:
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?0 -
Well you have rent control, right? And if you bring in 25k jobs, that's also surrounding and supporting jobs. But what's the alternative? Never bring in new business? Is that better?tempo_n_groove said:
Believe it or not NYC had a plan in place to upgrade schools in the surrounding area w that intravenous of tax revenue. But if we go back to my original statement on that surrounding area the people it was meant to benefit will all have been pushed out to reap any of those benefits.Halifax2TheMax said:
And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?mrussel1 said:
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?0 -
1- Yes they could if they still could afford to live there.mrussel1 said:
Why can't any of her people work for Amazon? And yeah, gentrification happens everywhere. Is reducing an area to a slum a better option? What company is she waiting for to come in and bring the perfect mix of jobs and income, without any rent issues, etc. I don't believe in Utopia.tempo_n_groove said:
If you have lets say 200,000 people living in that area and rent becomes incontrollable and now only affluent people can live there those people have to move.mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
Where are they going? Their jobs and livelihood are most likely in that surrounding area. Now they get forced out. It's a form of gentrification.
The jobs aspect and taxes I can understand but that wasn't representing HER constituents so she did what the people she works for wanted.
I wanted it here for jobs and such. It would suck though to be anywhere near LIC after it would be built. That place is a nightmare now so I can only imagine what it would be like after HQ2?
2-Yes it does.
3-The area isn't a slum. It is opposite of that. LIC is one of the fastest up and coming cities in the US which is why Amazon chose the area.
4-The building oh HQ2 would only hurt her constituents. You keep missing that part where she works for them and they are the ones whom get impacted. Not the new people flush w money who can afford to live there.
Property values literally tripled and quadrupled over night.
Now I am just defending AOC's side of it. I personally think it should have been built and let progress prevail.0 -
I explained the way around rent control. I renovate the building and make you move out. They give you the option to come back at 10% higher or whatever but it's a year to year and a half later. By then you will have moved on with your life.mrussel1 said:
Well you have rent control, right? And if you bring in 25k jobs, that's also surrounding and supporting jobs. But what's the alternative? Never bring in new business? Is that better?tempo_n_groove said:
Believe it or not NYC had a plan in place to upgrade schools in the surrounding area w that intravenous of tax revenue. But if we go back to my original statement on that surrounding area the people it was meant to benefit will all have been pushed out to reap any of those benefits.Halifax2TheMax said:
And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?mrussel1 said:
See this is about one person.. Bezos. The guy that owns 10% of the company. The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks. That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.Halifax2TheMax said:
There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?
Or
I keep raising the rent the max that I can every year until it's too much for you.
New jobs are good, I mentioned that I think it should have been built. If I was living in that area in a lower income apartment I would have been worried sick on what would happen next.0 -
She doesn't represent LICtempo_n_groove said:
1- Yes they could if they still could afford to live there.mrussel1 said:
Why can't any of her people work for Amazon? And yeah, gentrification happens everywhere. Is reducing an area to a slum a better option? What company is she waiting for to come in and bring the perfect mix of jobs and income, without any rent issues, etc. I don't believe in Utopia.tempo_n_groove said:
If you have lets say 200,000 people living in that area and rent becomes incontrollable and now only affluent people can live there those people have to move.mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
Where are they going? Their jobs and livelihood are most likely in that surrounding area. Now they get forced out. It's a form of gentrification.
The jobs aspect and taxes I can understand but that wasn't representing HER constituents so she did what the people she works for wanted.
I wanted it here for jobs and such. It would suck though to be anywhere near LIC after it would be built. That place is a nightmare now so I can only imagine what it would be like after HQ2?
2-Yes it does.
3-The area isn't a slum. It is opposite of that. LIC is one of the fastest up and coming cities in the US which is why Amazon chose the area.
4-The building oh HQ2 would only hurt her constituents. You keep missing that part where she works for them and they are the ones whom get impacted. Not the new people flush w money who can afford to live there.
Property values literally tripled and quadrupled over night.
Now I am just defending AOC's side of it. I personally think it should have been built and let progress prevail.0 -
Are you playing devil's advocate here? I understand there are downsides to Amazon coming, but I believe in the net, it was a loss for the City to kill the deal. No deal is win, win, win for every citizen, govt and business.tempo_n_groove said:
1- Yes they could if they still could afford to live there.mrussel1 said:
Why can't any of her people work for Amazon? And yeah, gentrification happens everywhere. Is reducing an area to a slum a better option? What company is she waiting for to come in and bring the perfect mix of jobs and income, without any rent issues, etc. I don't believe in Utopia.tempo_n_groove said:
If you have lets say 200,000 people living in that area and rent becomes incontrollable and now only affluent people can live there those people have to move.mrussel1 said:
So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc. Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?tempo_n_groove said:
Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.mrussel1 said:
No, not any dem. One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”mrussel1 said:
She's a celebrity then, not a representative. Do the work. You can call her successful when she is successful then. I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.Halifax2TheMax said:
Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.mrussel1 said:
She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress. I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee.Halifax2TheMax said:
She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”mrussel1 said:
I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more. This won't be news to them. Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her. As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter". She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes.HughFreakingDillon said:criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra. Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner.
Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms. Are you saying that number is zero? Because I seriously doubt that is the case.
But let's pull the thread. Can you defend the attempted coup? Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC? I say thanks to that. We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA. And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich. Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC? Idiotic in my book.
Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.
The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof. What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.
Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done. If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?
Happens all the time here.
Where are they going? Their jobs and livelihood are most likely in that surrounding area. Now they get forced out. It's a form of gentrification.
The jobs aspect and taxes I can understand but that wasn't representing HER constituents so she did what the people she works for wanted.
I wanted it here for jobs and such. It would suck though to be anywhere near LIC after it would be built. That place is a nightmare now so I can only imagine what it would be like after HQ2?
2-Yes it does.
3-The area isn't a slum. It is opposite of that. LIC is one of the fastest up and coming cities in the US which is why Amazon chose the area.
4-The building oh HQ2 would only hurt her constituents. You keep missing that part where she works for them and they are the ones whom get impacted. Not the new people flush w money who can afford to live there.
Property values literally tripled and quadrupled over night.
Now I am just defending AOC's side of it. I personally think it should have been built and let progress prevail.0 -
mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:income, without any rent issues, etc. I don't believe in Utopia.
No shit. It borders her district. I pointed that out when I first started talking about it. The events impact her community because it borders this area.
She doesn't represent LIC1- Yes they could if they still could afford to live there.
2-Yes it does.
3-The area isn't a slum. It is opposite of that. LIC is one of the fastest up and coming cities in the US which is why Amazon chose the area.
4-The building oh HQ2 would only hurt her constituents. You keep missing that part where she works for them and they are the ones whom get impacted. Not the new people flush w money who can afford to live there.
Property values literally tripled and quadrupled over night.
Now I am just defending AOC's side of it. I personally think it should have been built and let progress prevail.0 -
Yes I have stated that I agree with you. I am just pointing out why AOC did what she did. If she were Mayor or Governor I wonder if she would have went a different route? She is working and rightfully so, for her district.mrussel1 said:
Are you playing devil's advocate here? I understand there are downsides to Amazon coming, but I believe in the net, it was a loss for the City to kill the deal. No deal is win, win, win for every citizen, govt and business.tempo_n_groove said:
1- Yes they could if they still could afford to live there.income, without any rent issues, etc. I don't believe in Utopia.
2-Yes it does.
3-The area isn't a slum. It is opposite of that. LIC is one of the fastest up and coming cities in the US which is why Amazon chose the area.
4-The building oh HQ2 would only hurt her constituents. You keep missing that part where she works for them and they are the ones whom get impacted. Not the new people flush w money who can afford to live there.
Property values literally tripled and quadrupled over night.
Now I am just defending AOC's side of it. I personally think it should have been built and let progress prevail.
She also wasn't the only reason HQ2 wasn't built. There was someone in Albany that was never going to let that happen. I have to go back and look up his name.
In reality AOC wasn't the little engine that could. She wasn't David in this. She had a part and was given the bigger stage for it though.0 -
I agree with all of this. I know why she did what she did, I just think it was a bad decision and counterproductive to the area. It didn't hurt Bezos and maybe it hurt the area. She may me have been the only person involved but she sure as hell trumpeted it. And btw, the actual representative of the area, Maloney, was pissed because she supported the deal. So let's not forget that important point.tempo_n_groove said:
Yes I have stated that I agree with you. I am just pointing out why AOC did what she did. If she were Mayor or Governor I wonder if she would have went a different route? She is working and rightfully so, for her district.mrussel1 said:
Are you playing devil's advocate here? I understand there are downsides to Amazon coming, but I believe in the net, it was a loss for the City to kill the deal. No deal is win, win, win for every citizen, govt and business.tempo_n_groove said:
1- Yes they could if they still could afford to live there.income, without any rent issues, etc. I don't believe in Utopia.
2-Yes it does.
3-The area isn't a slum. It is opposite of that. LIC is one of the fastest up and coming cities in the US which is why Amazon chose the area.
4-The building oh HQ2 would only hurt her constituents. You keep missing that part where she works for them and they are the ones whom get impacted. Not the new people flush w money who can afford to live there.
Property values literally tripled and quadrupled over night.
Now I am just defending AOC's side of it. I personally think it should have been built and let progress prevail.
She also wasn't the only reason HQ2 wasn't built. There was someone in Albany that was never going to let that happen. I have to go back and look up his name.
In reality AOC wasn't the little engine that could. She wasn't David in this. She had a part and was given the bigger stage for it though.
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