Is the biggest TERROR threat in the US not white men?
And right wing.......
500 people are killed in Chicago a year. It isn’t the white man terrorizing those streets.
I’d say the biggest terror threat to the US is the people that pull the strings of Congress, people that have us fight unneeded war. People responsible for the destruction of the dollar. That is more of a threat to your freedom than some fringe wacko.
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Ahhhhhh, the demonization of the white male.... not the best poltical strategy in my opinion
I have a white penis... BOO! lol
Blacks committ more murders per year than whites, even though they only represent 13% of the population... but nobody on the left ever wants to talk about that, doesnt fit their political agenda i guess... wonder why Don doesnt want to talk about that? I guess we are only allowed to talk about bad things white people do, specifically white males
Carry on, good luck Unsung lol
Because, within a few days, a white man killed two black people BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK
Because a white man tried to kill twelve prominent democrats BECAUSE THEY WERE DEMOCRATS
Because a white man killed eleven Jews BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWS.
Is the biggest TERROR threat in the US not white men?
And right wing.......
I know they are responsible for the majority of events... but i need to look at the information a little closer at the stats... whites represent a majority of the country, so they should theoretically lead in just about everything...
The question i have is are they overrepresented, underrepresented, or about average when it comes to attacks per capita, or % wise...
Exactly, pretty simple mathematics...It’s like saying that city dwellers are more violent because metropolitan areas experience more violence. Correlation does not always = causation, anyone that took a stats course should have had that drilled into their brains.
Asked and answered just a few posts above yours.
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Non-Hispanic white men comprise about 30% of the overall US population so if we look at the statistics from above that state roughly 80% of domestic terrorism is committed by white men then they are overrepresented based on the percentage of the population.
Ahhhhhh, the demonization of the white male.... not the best poltical strategy in my opinion
I have a white penis... BOO! lol
Blacks committ more murders per year than whites, even though they only represent 13% of the population... but nobody on the left ever wants to talk about that, doesnt fit their political agenda i guess... wonder why Don doesnt want to talk about that? I guess we are only allowed to talk about bad things white people do, specifically white males
Carry on, good luck Unsung lol
This is what I was saying before. I think liberals talk about the disproportionate homicide rate often, but what they don’t do as much is talk about it as a distraction or tangent, which is what you just did. A domestic terrorist is way more likely to be a white guy, which is the subject. Same with Kaep taking a knee; the subject is racism, not black on black crime, but how many times do conservatives immediately go to that when criticizing him?
Is the biggest TERROR threat in the US not white men?
And right wing.......
Hmmm... Would you consider Gang violence to be terror? I bet the neighborhoods they are shooting up do. But I'll have to look at the definition of "terror" and then find out how many gang incidents are due to which race. Cause, I'd consider gangs to be the #1 terror threat inside america.
No, I wouldn’t consider gang violence to be terrorism, nor would police. They are quite different beasts with different goals. Just because someone feels fear when they witness or are the victum of a crime doesn’t make it terrorism; if so, any violent crime would be considered terrorism.
This article looks at a study comparing domestic terrorists and gangs and does not find many commonalities.
Yeah but he said biggest terror threat not terrorism. Words matter.
So does context, and you know exactly what he was referring to.
Ok, perhaps.
Back to Lemon, answer me this... and I happen to like Don Lemon...but why is he bringing up a travel ban to combat domestic terrorism? Cause this makes no sense to me expect to try and compare things that don't fit to be compared.
It’s a criticism of trump on two fronts. One that there’s is no urgent reaction to do something about domestic terrorism like there is with terrorism from foreigners. And it’s also a criticism for the fact that trump was identifying religion as the issue, so it’s highlighting his bigotry and bias.
Is the biggest TERROR threat in the US not white men?
And right wing.......
500 people are killed in Chicago a year. It isn’t the white man terrorizing those streets.
I’d say the biggest terror threat to the US is the people that pull the strings of Congress, people that have us fight unneeded war. People responsible for the destruction of the dollar. That is more of a threat to your freedom than some fringe wacko.
Feeling terror and terrorism are two different things. And the homicide rate is higher in several other cities, by the way. I know you’re following along with the right wing talking points, though
Non-Hispanic white men comprise about 30% of the overall US population so if we look at the statistics from above that state roughly 80% of domestic terrorism is committed by white men then they are overrepresented based on the percentage of the population.
Oh, i concede the point on males... males have always been more violent throughout history, everywhere...
Lemon didnt say "men" are the biggest terror threat... which is absolutely accurate as they are WAY overrepresented statistically in terror attacks... and all violence in general as mentioned... i actually think that is a much more important talking point for society to discuss... he said white men... which brings race into it... which makes it a little more complicated of a discussion in my opinion... ill have to look at it a little later
The male factor is pretty static in my opinion given the known historical data when it comes to gender and violence... the race factor is maybe dynamic, and thats what im interested in
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Ask Gaia and she will tell you, "Are you kidding? All you humans are the biggest terrorists!"
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Holy crap, how is it not completely obvious that targeted murder based on a victims demographics or beliefs is completely different from crime even to people on a liberal bands forum isn't obvious? Next Tues America may be totally screwed.
I’d say most of us understand what racism is but most of us don’t know what it feels to be on the receiving end of racism !
I don't know what it's like to live with it on a consistent basis at all obviously (I only have to live with discrimination against women on a regular basis). Although I have been on the receiving end of racism several times, like as one-offs. There are some super racist Chinese people in Vancouver - they really hate white people. They call us rats and rodents in their own language right in front of us sometimes, according to my Chinese-speaking friends. Normally I get it in Chinese restaurants owned by racists from China. And yeah, it sucks, and it makes me mad. I always do an online review of the establishment and advertise that they are like that afterwards.
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I’d say most of us understand what racism is but most of us don’t know what it feels to be on the receiving end of racism !
I don't know what it's like to live with it on a consistent basis at all obviously (I only have to live with discrimination against women on a regular basis). Although I have been on the receiving end of racism several times, like as one-offs. There are some super racist Chinese people in Vancouver - they really hate white people. They call us rats and rodents in their own language right in front of us sometimes, according to my Chinese-speaking friends. Normally I get it in Chinese restaurants owned by racists from China. And yeah, it sucks, and it makes me mad. I always do an online review of the establishment and advertise that they are like that afterwards.
hmmm. I will have to get to some Chinese restaurants in Vancouver to see if true.
Usually you have to be some pretty douchey customers to elicit that response.
I’d say most of us understand what racism is but most of us don’t know what it feels to be on the receiving end of racism !
I don't know what it's like to live with it on a consistent basis at all obviously (I only have to live with discrimination against women on a regular basis). Although I have been on the receiving end of racism several times, like as one-offs. There are some super racist Chinese people in Vancouver - they really hate white people. They call us rats and rodents in their own language right in front of us sometimes, according to my Chinese-speaking friends. Normally I get it in Chinese restaurants owned by racists from China. And yeah, it sucks, and it makes me mad. I always do an online review of the establishment and advertise that they are like that afterwards.
hmmm. I will have to get to some Chinese restaurants in Vancouver to see if true.
Usually you have to be some pretty douchey customers to elicit that response.
I assume that is some kind of passive aggressive accusation?
Obviously it's not all Chinese restaurants, which is why I qualified my comments the way I did. And no, it has absolutely nothing to do with my own behaviour - as someone who worked in restaurants for years, I'm frankly a lovely customer and an all around friendly person when I'm out there in the world. I find it quite odd that that is where your mind went. Is that where it goes when non-white people make claims of racism too, or do you reserve it just for white victims of racism? Also, are you saying that as long as someone is "pretty douchey", racist people are within their rights to be racist? Finally, are you hinting that it's unlikely that any Chinese people are racist?
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I’d say most of us understand what racism is but most of us don’t know what it feels to be on the receiving end of racism !
I don't know what it's like to live with it on a consistent basis at all obviously (I only have to live with discrimination against women on a regular basis). Although I have been on the receiving end of racism several times, like as one-offs. There are some super racist Chinese people in Vancouver - they really hate white people. They call us rats and rodents in their own language right in front of us sometimes, according to my Chinese-speaking friends. Normally I get it in Chinese restaurants owned by racists from China. And yeah, it sucks, and it makes me mad. I always do an online review of the establishment and advertise that they are like that afterwards.
hmmm. I will have to get to some Chinese restaurants in Vancouver to see if true.
Usually you have to be some pretty douchey customers to elicit that response.
I assume that is some kind of passive aggressive accusation?
Obviously it's not all Chinese restaurants, which is why I qualified my comments the way I did. And no, it has absolutely nothing to do with my own behaviour - as someone who worked in restaurants for years, I'm frankly a lovely customer and an all around friendly person when I'm out there in the world. I find it quite odd that that is where your mind went. Is that where it goes when non-white people make claims of racism too, or do you reserve it just for white victims of racism? Also, are you saying that as long as someone is "pretty douchey", racist people are within their rights to be racist?
Just where my mind goes as a white guy who speaks Chinese and has lived in Hong Kong and Taiwan and traveled to China dozens of times. I have been to Vancouver China town too and SF and am from Seattle.
You have been on the receiving end of racism because your friends said they called you rats in a language you don't understand. Very well could have happened.
Anyway, not to make an excuse, but it's 1:30 am here and I have had far too much to drink and I like you PJ Soul.
Edit: I was born in the year of the rat. Not a bad thing to be. Maybe a compliment.
I’d say most of us understand what racism is but most of us don’t know what it feels to be on the receiving end of racism !
I don't know what it's like to live with it on a consistent basis at all obviously (I only have to live with discrimination against women on a regular basis). Although I have been on the receiving end of racism several times, like as one-offs. There are some super racist Chinese people in Vancouver - they really hate white people. They call us rats and rodents in their own language right in front of us sometimes, according to my Chinese-speaking friends. Normally I get it in Chinese restaurants owned by racists from China. And yeah, it sucks, and it makes me mad. I always do an online review of the establishment and advertise that they are like that afterwards.
hmmm. I will have to get to some Chinese restaurants in Vancouver to see if true.
Usually you have to be some pretty douchey customers to elicit that response.
I assume that is some kind of passive aggressive accusation?
Obviously it's not all Chinese restaurants, which is why I qualified my comments the way I did. And no, it has absolutely nothing to do with my own behaviour - as someone who worked in restaurants for years, I'm frankly a lovely customer and an all around friendly person when I'm out there in the world. I find it quite odd that that is where your mind went. Is that where it goes when non-white people make claims of racism too, or do you reserve it just for white victims of racism? Also, are you saying that as long as someone is "pretty douchey", racist people are within their rights to be racist?
Just where my mind goes as a white guy who speaks Chinese and has lived in Hong Kong and Taiwan and traveled to China dozens of times. I have been to Vancouver China town too and SF and am from Seattle.
You have been on the receiving end of racism because your friends said they called you rats in a language you don't understand. Very well could have happened.
Anyway, not to make an excuse, but it's 1:30 am here and I have had far too much to drink and I like you PJ Soul.
Well my Chinese friends aren't going to lie about that, and I didn't mean they've said it while we were dining, although without a doubt, if I go to a Chinese restaurant with Chinese people, which I actually do fairly often, the staff will often tend to ignore me and the other white people, and act like the Chinese guests are in charge of the whole party, which is a bit weird. But anyway, I meant they have said that generally. I.e. Chinese friends have said, "oh yeah, there are some Chinese who will say terrible things about white people right in front of them, assuming they don't understand Chinese." I have no reason not to believe other Chinese people who say that's going on. But no, that isn't why I think I've been the victim of racism in certain Chinese restaurants specifically. I think this because I was the victim, and people know when others are being racist against them. It's actually pretty obvious!
Let me be clear (I thought I had been, but maybe not), I'm not saying any of this as some kind of blanket condemnation of Chinese people, any more than me calling out white racists is a blanket condemnation of white people. But surely you know that not only white people can be racist, right??
(Btw, being to Vancouver's Chinatown is irrelevant... Over 25% of Vancouver's population is Chinese now (and it's a large majority in Richmond) ... which very well may be helping to embolden whatever racist Chinese people there are here; I know that racist hiring practices by the Chinese are a big issue right now, and recently a bunch of ride sharing operations were caught refusing all white customers, and those were orders from the top of such operations ... The large Chinese population here is also helping to embolden whatever white people are racists towards Chinese people of course. I look forward to when better integration creates itself. That only takes time. Right now, there is some pretty extreme segregation happening)
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Speedy asks a good question. I believe that the answer to that, as it applies to the select men this can be said about, is simply that they are scared. Scared of losing their position of privilege (which many of them won't even acknowledge). Scared that building an even playing field will bring them down a notch (which is necessarily true). This "threat" makes them defensive and mad and miserly.
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Asked and answered just a few posts above yours.
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Lemon didnt say "men" are the biggest terror threat... which is absolutely accurate as they are WAY overrepresented statistically in terror attacks... and all violence in general as mentioned... i actually think that is a much more important talking point for society to discuss... he said white men... which brings race into it... which makes it a little more complicated of a discussion in my opinion... ill have to look at it a little later
The male factor is pretty static in my opinion given the known historical data when it comes to gender and violence... the race factor is maybe dynamic, and thats what im interested in
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