Kavanaugh

mace1229

CM189191 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

CM189191 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

CM189191 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?

Oh great, another one of those 

"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"

tRUmp supporters...

So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries?   Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?  

In one 'whatabout' you managed to tell 4 falsehoods.  Impressive.

1) bill wasn't rammed thru - the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments
2) Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending (I'll let you do the math on that one)
3) Health care costs are declining
4) the bill was read - In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.

Also, you misspelled 'beneficiaries'.  So are you lying or just willfully ignorant?

Where are you getting declinig?
from all accounts I’ve seen it’s skyrocketing, that’s the whole reason for the push for a universal system.
Accorong to this up from20k to 28k since 2010

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/676046002

my2hands

I can't wait for them to overturn Roe v Wade. 

Maybe people will wake up and the country will come alive, I know my fat ass will hit the streets

EdsonNascimento

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

CM189191 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

CM189191 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?

Oh great, another one of those 

"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"

tRUmp supporters...

So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries?   Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?  

In one 'whatabout' you managed to tell 4 falsehoods.  Impressive.

1) bill wasn't rammed thru - the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments
2) Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending (I'll let you do the math on that one)
3) Health care costs are declining
4) the bill was read - In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.

Also, you misspelled 'beneficiaries'.  So are you lying or just willfully ignorant?

Where are you getting declinig?
from all accounts I’ve seen it’s skyrocketing, that’s the whole reason for the push for a universal system.
Accorong to this up from20k to 28k since 2010

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/676046002

Correct.  And they are calling me willfully ignorant.  

Funny thing is, Obama’s would agree with the assessment it has increased healthcare costs as that was his intention.  

I also like how they are both ok with significant reduced spending on senior citizens healthcare via the Medicare program.  Pathetic. To hell with them!  They’ll be dead soon anyway!

rgambs

You two are both confusing health care costs with insurance cost.

EdsonNascimento

rgambs said:

You two are both confusing health care costs with insurance cost.

I’m not.  I know exactly what I’m talking about.  Yes, that goes directly to that, but overall trend has not abated, but quite the opposite.  And, yes the expansion of Medicaid has contributed so wnat you are referring to does feed and is a cause of the overall expense increase.  

rgambs

EdsonNascimento said:

rgambs said:

You two are both confusing health care costs with insurance cost.

I’m not.  I know exactly what I’m talking about.  Yes, that goes directly to that, but overall trend has not abated, but quite the opposite.  And, yes the expansion of Medicaid has contributed so wnat you are referring to does feed and is a cause of the overall expense increase.  

I guess if healthcare spending is such a priority for you, you should have abandoned conservatives when they pulled their big Medicare Part D chicanery.

CM189191

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

CM189191 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

CM189191 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?

Oh great, another one of those 

"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"

tRUmp supporters...

So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries?   Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?  

In one 'whatabout' you managed to tell 4 falsehoods.  Impressive.

1) bill wasn't rammed thru - the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments
2) Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending (I'll let you do the math on that one)
3) Health care costs are declining
4) the bill was read - In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.

Also, you misspelled 'beneficiaries'.  So are you lying or just willfully ignorant?

Where are you getting declinig?
from all accounts I’ve seen it’s skyrocketing, that’s the whole reason for the push for a universal system.
Accorong to this up from20k to 28k since 2010

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/676046002

ftfa :

This year, the Milliman Medical Index increased 4.5%. That was only slightly higher than the 4.3% increase last year, the lowest increase in the 18 years that Milliman has compiled the index.

“We are moving in the right direction relative to where we were,” Weltz said.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

EdsonNascimento said:

Oh. And sorry you lost.  The beauty and genius of our framers is that you can now elect a Democrat House and Senate and in 2 years you can elect a Democrat President and you can continue to do so until the Court flips the way you want it.  And the pendulum will continue to swing.

Honestly, I find the whole thing funny b/c this fight is really about abortion and choice which most people would agree with you on, yet you've somehow managed to make this a Constitutional fight that you are completely wrong about.  You'd be better to voice that concern instead of the stupidity of the Democrats that plays right into Trump's hands in that he's diverted everyone's attention from the real issue.

So, for the record, if that was your argument, I'd agree with you. I hope choice stays in place. I actually believe it will b/c if the Supreme Court ever overturns Roe v Wade (which I actually believe they won't, but if they do), Congress will enact a STRONGER law to protect it while local courts put stays and other legal things in place to allow choice to continue until such a thing happens. Why? Because our framers are geniuses and created checks and balances and ways to shift power over time that makes sure the people's voices are heard even if there's times the pendulum swings too far one way at a particular time.

So, keep Trump in power by diverting from the issues and fighting battles not only can't you win but shouldn't.

Am I to infer you voted for Trump?

Hahahahhahahahahahahaha

I'll give you this: at least you admitted it.

CM189191

EdsonNascimento said:

Oh. And sorry you lost.  The beauty and genius of our framers is....

....they knew politics wasn't a game with winners and losers.

It's a tool to create a functioning society.  

njnancy

Been away two days - got some reading to do to catch up.

mace1229

rgambs said:

You two are both confusing health care costs with insurance cost.

Seeing how healthcare is now required by law, and that is what most families pay, how is that not relevant when discussing the increased costs?
And if cost of health care has gone down, then why force people to pay more for health insurance?
In the end the average family pays for more for medical care than they did 10 years ago. BecUse of Obamacare I pay thousands more each year for worse coverage than I had before. Millions of others do too, so I don’t know why you would defend the cost of “health care.”

josevolution

EdsonNascimento said:

rgambs said:

You two are both confusing health care costs with insurance cost.

I’m not.  I know exactly what I’m talking about.  Yes, that goes directly to that, but overall trend has not abated, but quite the opposite.  And, yes the expansion of Medicaid has contributed so wnat you are referring to does feed and is a cause of the overall expense increase.  

Yet the idiot in chief with both houses on his side they couldn’t come up with anything better than ACÁ how many years did they have to get a plan in place ? 

my2hands

Meanwhile a scumbag that believes in unchecked POTUS authority and opposes Roe v Wade is about to be rammed through to the Supreme Court.

Lol, good luck America 

tempo_n_groove

my2hands said:

Meanwhile a scumbag that believes in unchecked POTUS authority and opposes Roe v Wade is about to be rammed through to the Supreme Court.

Lol, good luck America 

I've never understood why so many people don't see what you just said?  Why party first and country second?

Kavanaugh has been in the company of conservatives in Washington for years.  Worked with them closely.  I just can't see him being "balanced" in the court room...

tbergs

tempo_n_groove said:

my2hands said:

Meanwhile a scumbag that believes in unchecked POTUS authority and opposes Roe v Wade is about to be rammed through to the Supreme Court.

Lol, good luck America 

I've never understood why so many people don't see what you just said?  Why party first and country second?

Kavanaugh has been in the company of conservatives in Washington for years.  Worked with them closely.  I just can't see him being "balanced" in the court room...

A partisan liar on the bench. I don't really care if he is for or against Roe v. Wade or any other case I may not agree with. People will have differing opinions about that and other highly contested cases, but the fact that he is a partisan liar should be a common theme all of the country should be able to agree on. This isn't a political position so politics need to be put aside. This is all about winning by one side right now and it fucking sucks for this country.

tempo_n_groove

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

my2hands said:

Meanwhile a scumbag that believes in unchecked POTUS authority and opposes Roe v Wade is about to be rammed through to the Supreme Court.

Lol, good luck America 

I've never understood why so many people don't see what you just said?  Why party first and country second?

Kavanaugh has been in the company of conservatives in Washington for years.  Worked with them closely.  I just can't see him being "balanced" in the court room...

A partisan liar on the bench. I don't really care if he is for or against Roe v. Wade or any other case I may not agree with. People will have differing opinions about that and other highly contested cases, but the fact that he is a partisan liar should be a common theme all of the country should be able to agree on. This isn't a political position so politics need to be put aside. This is all about winning by one side right now and it fucking sucks for this country.

That is the part that I don't understand.  I'll most likely never understand why half the country would want someone that leans to one side.

The country doesn't "win" when there is a biased opinion in the courts...

Halifax2TheMax

73-0.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

my2hands said:

Meanwhile a scumbag that believes in unchecked POTUS authority and opposes Roe v Wade is about to be rammed through to the Supreme Court.

Lol, good luck America 

I've never understood why so many people don't see what you just said?  Why party first and country second?

Kavanaugh has been in the company of conservatives in Washington for years.  Worked with them closely.  I just can't see him being "balanced" in the court room...

A partisan liar on the bench. I don't really care if he is for or against Roe v. Wade or any other case I may not agree with. People will have differing opinions about that and other highly contested cases, but the fact that he is a partisan liar should be a common theme all of the country should be able to agree on. This isn't a political position so politics need to be put aside. This is all about winning by one side right now and it fucking sucks for this country.

That is the part that I don't understand.  I'll most likely never understand why half the country would want someone that leans to one side.

The country doesn't "win" when there is a biased opinion in the courts...

Because half the country is ignorant as hell.  They don't care what they guy believes they just know that he's on their "team."

CM189191

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

my2hands said:

Meanwhile a scumbag that believes in unchecked POTUS authority and opposes Roe v Wade is about to be rammed through to the Supreme Court.

Lol, good luck America 

I've never understood why so many people don't see what you just said?  Why party first and country second?

Kavanaugh has been in the company of conservatives in Washington for years.  Worked with them closely.  I just can't see him being "balanced" in the court room...

A partisan liar on the bench. I don't really care if he is for or against Roe v. Wade or any other case I may not agree with. People will have differing opinions about that and other highly contested cases, but the fact that he is a partisan liar should be a common theme all of the country should be able to agree on. This isn't a political position so politics need to be put aside. This is all about winning by one side right now and it fucking sucks for this country.

That is the part that I don't understand.  I'll most likely never understand why half the country would want someone that leans to one side.

The country doesn't "win" when there is a biased opinion in the courts...

Because half the country is ignorant as hell.  They don't care what they guy believes they just know that he's on their "team."

Politics is the only sport where if one side wins, everyone loses. 

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

73-0.

Lopsided football reference?