Missoula Poster

mdgsolo

I’d just like to point out that making a case that the poster depicts any kind of wish or intent for harm seems to me to be a preposterous stretch.  It is dark but it’s a fairly obvious expression of the artist’s (and others obviously) perspective of current state of affairs of this country and it’s leadership.  Last time I checked, one of the founding principles of this country is the right to freedom of expression.  Was this revoked while I was rocking my balls off in Missoula?  I must have missed that..

AndySlash

mdgsolo said:

I’d just like to point out that making a case that the poster depicts any kind of wish or intent for harm seems to me to be a preposterous stretch.  It is dark but it’s a fairly obvious expression of the artist’s (and others obviously) perspective of current state of affairs of this country and it’s leadership.  Last time I checked, one of the founding principles of this country is the right to freedom of expression.  Was this revoked while I was rocking my balls off in Missoula?  I must have missed that..

get out of here with your sound logic and reasoning.

cincybearcat

AndySlash said:

mdgsolo said:

I’d just like to point out that making a case that the poster depicts any kind of wish or intent for harm seems to me to be a preposterous stretch.  It is dark but it’s a fairly obvious expression of the artist’s (and others obviously) perspective of current state of affairs of this country and it’s leadership.  Last time I checked, one of the founding principles of this country is the right to freedom of expression.  Was this revoked while I was rocking my balls off in Missoula?  I must have missed that..

get out of here with your sound logic and reasoning.

Soooooo I agree with your first point completely.

I'm confused at how anyone's freedom of expression is being revoked?  Might be as big a stretch as you rightfully claim in point 1.

Tremorman

I don't see why the cartoon is all that bad, there's worse in a Road Runner cartoon.  It doesn't say anything about why Trump is that way in the poster. It could easily be from his own doing, ie from a forest fire because of his atrocious Climate policies.

Spoken

When Bush was president, PJ artists put him on a bunch of PJ posters. Fake news.

xjoshfromworkx

Now that only 25 people are expected to attend PJ shows from here on out, I'm very excited to get my merch in a timely manner.

ME10280

I'm not on the right or the left.  Frankly, I hate politics.  I'm also not a few of Trump the Cheetos, but I don't think it's cool to burn the White House & national monuments.  I do believe in patriotism & love for my country, regardless which jackass is in office.  I think the poster was in bad taste.  Just my opinion.

PB11041

Hey now, if any one who is deeply offended by the Poster is checking out and has a copy of Lost Dogs on Vinyl, I will gladly take that off your hands before you do something emotionally hasty.  Thanks Make America Grunge Again

BF89905

AndySlash said:

mdgsolo said:

I’d just like to point out that making a case that the poster depicts any kind of wish or intent for harm seems to me to be a preposterous stretch.  It is dark but it’s a fairly obvious expression of the artist’s (and others obviously) perspective of current state of affairs of this country and it’s leadership.  Last time I checked, one of the founding principles of this country is the right to freedom of expression.  Was this revoked while I was rocking my balls off in Missoula?  I must have missed that..

get out of here with your sound logic and reasoning.

Nicely said ×2

Ledbetterman10

ME10280 said:

I'm not on the right or the left.  Frankly, I hate politics.  I'm also not a few of Trump the Cheetos, but I don't think it's cool to burn the White House & national monuments.  I do believe in patriotism & love for my country, regardless which jackass is in office.  I think the poster was in bad taste.  Just my opinion.

Yeah I think I agree. There's more than enough you can do with Trump's image to degrade him without suggesting violence. I liked a lot of the stuff that Roger Waters did with Trump's image during his most recent tour (depicting him having a tiny dick, being Putin's bitch, being a pig, etc.). This image of the White House on fire is tantamount to Madonna's quote about dreaming to blow up the White House. I thought she sounded dumb then, so I'd be a hypocrite to support this. 

A counterpoint to my suggestion of only using Trump's image is that, even if he's depicted as Satan or whatever on the poster, do poster buyers really want a Trump picture (even one critizing him) hanging on their wall? Probably not. 

For reference, here's the Roger Waters stuff I was talking about. Note that he does also use the White House in some of the images, but the Trump images are what really "work" for me here: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWLBtMz5OuY

BS44325

westbrook36 said:

Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..

Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!

Spoken

PJ may have some new people joining the Fan Club today just based on the poster

PJ_Soul

Merkin Baller said:

CP218430 said:

Raising 11.5 towards homelessness in Seattle - blip on the news.
A cartoon poster - shut down their radio and tear down the band.
Sounds about right. 

I think the Sirius Xm angle is bullshit. I have yet to see that suggested anywhere other than from the OP. 

Agreed, that's ridiculous, and I can't see there being any way in hell that Sirius would have said or hinted at such a thing. Pure silliness. It's most likely that the OP caught wind of some alt-right post saying that Sirius ought to do it and some other alt-righters took it from there, lol.

PJ_Soul

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

I like the poster and I want one.  Doesn’t bother me a bit.  I do wonder how tester’s camp must be feeling about the whole thing though.  It’s obvious from Jeff’s quote that he had a bunch of ideas he gave to the artist who drew it up and “killed it” as Jeff said, but I don’t think Jeff or Tester knew what the print would look like until the rough draft got sent to Jeff.  I wonder if Tester ever saw it at all?  As far as politicians go, any publicity is probably good, but I bet they’re a bit shaken?

I have been looking for a comment by Tester or his campaign but haven’t found one yet. Can’t wait to see what eventually comes out. Politically, probably the safest thing for him to say is something along the lines of “while I don’t agree with the imagery, I fully support their right to express their artistic vision and political views blah blah blah..”, but it would be fantastic if he actually comes out in support of it. 

Yeah- they have to tread lightly thoughI’m sure seeing as Montana is a seriously red state.  He’s likely to see repercussions if he outright agrees with it or something like that.  I bet if he at all makes a statement it’ll be like what you said.

It can't be that seriously red. John Tester keeps beating the Republicans in the Senate race.

TJ25487

BS44325 said:

westbrook36 said:

Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..

Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!

You can be but you too will be shut down. Haha! Just kidding. 

PJ_Soul

ME10280 said:

I'm not on the right or the left.  Frankly, I hate politics.  I'm also not a few of Trump the Cheetos, but I don't think it's cool to burn the White House & national monuments.  I do believe in patriotism & love for my country, regardless which jackass is in office.  I think the poster was in bad taste.  Just my opinion.

I think Trump is in bad taste.

Vedd Hedd

BS44325 said:

westbrook36 said:

Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..

Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!

Dont include Alex Jones in that group.    Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck".  Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions.   Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right. 

Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people.   He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence. 

Ledbetterman10

fall by the wayside said:

It’s funny watching the anti-PC, “fuck your feelings” crowd pout over a concert poster with a negative depiction of Dear Leader. Hypocrites.

Yeah the "snowflakes" on the right are hilarious. Remember them crying about Jim Carrey's drawing of Sarah Sanders a few months back? They'd be praising him if it was a negative drawing of Hillary. So much hypocrisy. 

Vedd Hedd

ME10280 said:

I'm not on the right or the left.  Frankly, I hate politics.  I'm also not a few of Trump the Cheetos, but I don't think it's cool to burn the White House & national monuments.  I do believe in patriotism & love for my country, regardless which jackass is in office.  I think the poster was in bad taste.  Just my opinion.

Keep in mind....no actual buildings were burned here.  This is an artistic portrayal of what is currently happening.   (or would could be coming if we dont fix it).   Its no different than a political cartoon.  

PJ_Soul

Vedd Hedd said:

BS44325 said:

westbrook36 said:

Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..

Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!

Dont include Alex Jones in that group.    Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck".  Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions.   Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right. 

Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people.   He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence. 

Alex Jones spreads hate speech.

But hey, we know who have become absolute experts at false equivalencies, and it ain't people on the left.