Missoula Poster

Out of My Mind and Time

So what do we have here: trump with Russia briefcase. 2nd amendment red neck? Alien smoking? Tester jumping a tractor. Alien crashed into monument? White house on fire.  Some triggered by this?Anything I missed?

tylerj

My only problem with the poster is the hammer and sickle on the briefcase, suggesting Russia is some communist country and Trump is some KGB agent. That's absurd and toxic McCarthyism that #TheResistance thinks is clever. 

tbergs

BSully said:

I didn't read through all 5 pages of this discussion, but this is why I keep my music tastes and political beliefs away from each other.

Aaah, it's kinda of like when you mix drugs and alcohol, sometimes it's a blast and other times you wake up and wonder who the fuck you are.

buck502000

The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -
F. Scott Fitzgerald

AuthorRyan

This is hilarious. All the right's awful depictions of Obama on things (that continues) but this is extremist and violent. Excuse me while I clean up the water I snorted out of my nose

Franklin Delano Bluth

Well, this poster will be raffled for big bucks in the coming weeks on fb 

BSully

tbergs said:

BSully said:

I didn't read through all 5 pages of this discussion, but this is why I keep my music tastes and political beliefs away from each other.

Aaah, it's kinda of like when you mix drugs and alcohol, sometimes it's a blast and other times you wake up and wonder who the fuck you are.

Oh man...that brings back some vague memories...

curmudgeoness

Somehow, despite reading way, way, waaay too much news each day, I had no idea there was any controversy over this poster until just now. I could tell you about the fires here in California, the Manafort trial, the bridge collapse in Italy, random gunfire in Malibu, last night's elections, the latest in a long, sad line of stories about sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, and, G-d help me, Omarosa. But I had no idea anyone was worked up about a PJ concert poster.

I guess that's because I don't follow Breitbart or Fox News.

Now, Omarosa is Omarosa, and her credibility is and always has been rather... thin. But she's spot on when she says that the best way to handle Agent Orange is to starve him of his "oxygen" -- attention, esp. media attention.

The image of the back of the poster isn't loading on IG for me, so I can only go by what I can see of the front. I hadn't paid it much attention, since I wasn't inclined to put a bunch of skulls up on my wall. It's a bold poster. I'm not convinced that's supposed to be Agent Orange; the biggest indicator that it could be is the hammer and sickle on the briefcase full of money -- SO, are Fox, Breitbart, and MAGA Nation acknowledging that someone fleeing the White House with a pile of Russian cash is their guy? Hmm.

I assume someone has gotten Alex Jones to weigh in on the UFO? If anyone can tell us what's really happening in this poster, he can. /sarcasm

Art makes statements. Art is provocative. Art reflects our culture. This poster does all of those things. [Like the band, I am old enough to remember when Robert Mapplethorpe's photos caused widespread outrage. I also recall that there was an artist making depictions of religious figures from bodily waste.)  If you prefer pictures of puppies in baskets or paintings of a much trimmer, more handsome rendition of Agent Orange hugging the flag or crossing the Delaware, fine, you do you.

Do I like the poster? It's interesting. It makes me wonder who that is on the tractor. I appreciate the statement I think the image is making. I think the people who are all worked up about it probably missed the point altogether, as someone already noted (a very good argument could be made that the poster reflects what Agent Orange is doing to the country, or what will happen if we continue down this path of polarization and overheated rhetoric). This feels like so much manufactured outrage to me -- and that's the biggest concern I have here.

We have ample evidence that Russia was and IS manipulating Americans through social media. But they only can succeed in manipulating us if we LET them. Folks, whether you are on the left, right, fringe, or center, you have GOT to engage your powers of critical thinking. Don't just start foaming at the mouth when you see outrageous headlines or trigger words. STOP. THINK. Think about what you are reading. Think about what you are seeing. Ask yourself, who shared or published this? Why?? Was someone sharing important information, or were they just looking to get a reaction? Why? Does it make any sense? If I really don't give a rat's ass about Pearl Jam, why am I taking to Twitter, Instagram, and PJ message boards to scream about how PJ is irrelevant and I'm never listening to them, ever?

Then, think about what you are saying. Why are you saying it? For what purpose? Does it make any sense?

And finally: I too find it interesting that the "F--k Your Feelings" crowd, out to "own the libs" and "trigger the snowflakes," keeps insisting that Ed and the band should make more of an effort to respect their opinions and make their views more welcome, and that people should be nicer to them. Laws, ethics, and etiquette really only work if they are applied equally to everyone.

See you in the front row at Fenway, looking forward to that intimate gathering of die-hards.

blackhawks

BSully said:

I didn't read through all 5 pages of this discussion, but this is why I keep my music tastes and political beliefs away from each other.

Bingo!  I like a lot of art but doesn't mean I agree with the politics.  As adults that isn't a hard thing to do.  It isn't All or None.  

given2fly23

xjoshfromworkx said:

Hoping Wrigley is jam-packed with bangers, some anger, and a long night of fun.

GRIEVANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RP112579

given2fly23 said:

xjoshfromworkx said:

Hoping Wrigley is jam-packed with bangers, some anger, and a long night of fun.

GRIEVANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Open with Grievance!!

PJ_Soul

blackhawks said:

BSully said:

I didn't read through all 5 pages of this discussion, but this is why I keep my music tastes and political beliefs away from each other.

Bingo!  I like a lot of art but doesn't mean I agree with the politics.  As adults that isn't a hard thing to do.  It isn't All or None.  

What happens when the music is political? You turn it off?

DukesW2012

CW55354 said:

I would love an official statement from the band along the lines of, “we haven’t given a shit about who we offend in our history as a band and aren’t about to start now.” Those who are offended need to explain why they are ok with an admitted sexual predator, a traitor and a racist who disparages the disabled, minorities and women every chance he gets but are offended by artwork. Pearl Jam did more with the Home Shows for the good of the country than that POS has or ever will do. You don’t even have to like the band to see that. 

Amen to that! Just to add my two cents. CRYING OVER A CARTOON! What a bunch of babies. This is art plain and simple. What potentially scares me are places like Breitbart and Faux News, as we have seen in the past, can potentially have their readers and viewers incite violence. The kinds of people who marched on Charlottesville could interpret this poster the same way as the terrorists that shot up the Charlie Hebdo building in Paris after the Mohammed drawing and inciting violence outside of concerts.

Keep the fight going!!!!

given2fly23

teskeinc said:

I don't have a problem with the art. The issue is the safety of us/the band at Wrigley and Fenway if this story blows up over the next few days. There are some bat-shit crazy people out there, last thing we need is terroristic threats cancelling the concerts over a stupid poster.

Yeah, I agree with this. I will definitely be thinking about this now at Wrigley (and during Fenway even though I won't be there).

Spiritual_Chaos

wall232 said:

symptomsfade said:

I agree with this, it is a bit hypocritical. 

This doesn’t mean I agree with how the president has spewed hatred. But if you’re against what he is doing, which I’m sure most of us here do, matching it with more hatred is not how to go about. Just my opinion. 

Where's Pearl Jams hatred?

lolobugg

given2fly23 said:

teskeinc said:

I don't have a problem with the art. The issue is the safety of us/the band at Wrigley and Fenway if this story blows up over the next few days. There are some bat-shit crazy people out there, last thing we need is terroristic threats cancelling the concerts over a stupid poster.

Yeah, I agree with this. I will definitely be thinking about this now at Wrigley (and during Fenway even though I won't be there).

didn't think about this but these right wingers are nut jobs.......... with guns.   hope this blows over before the Wrigley shows.

BSully

blackhawks said:

BSully said:

I didn't read through all 5 pages of this discussion, but this is why I keep my music tastes and political beliefs away from each other.

Bingo!  I like a lot of art but doesn't mean I agree with the politics.  As adults that isn't a hard thing to do.  It isn't All or None.  

When I go to a rock concert, I go to hear amazing live music. Anything else that the band says or does usually doesn't enhance or take away from my enjoyment of the live music!

Vedd Hedd

The poster seems to depict the chaos Trump inflicted on himself.  That Eagle is representative of our nation.  Meaning, when he is gone, america will survive.  

PJ_Soul

We should keep in mind that this is barely even a blip on the radar outside of our PJ bubble, which has magnified the story for us. It's not like this poster is being discussed on all the local news stations or anything - I've only actually seen it mentioned at all by music websites, like NME and Consequence of Sound. Supposedly FOX News mentioned it, but who the fuck cares what FOX News says anyhow? ... This morning, on my local Canadian news, they were still talking about Omarosa. I'm pretty sure Trump is scared shitless of what she may have recorded, lol, and that is probably taking precedence over some rock poster out of Missoula.

Franklin Delano Bluth

It’s been texted to me by three different, non-pj, friends of mine