$15 minimum wage
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If you work for the same company for that long and see no improvement is it the company's fault or the employee?static111 said:0 -
Yeah while I don't disagree with anything that guy said, I'm sure there's many jobs he could apply for and get that have better pay and benefits. Factory work, truck-driver, custodian, security guard, etc. He has work experience and seems like he'd interview well. There's not a doubt in my mind he could get a better paying job. I hate to sound like a dick, but he's 37 doing the same job I had when I was 16.tempo_n_groove said:
If you work for the same company for that long and see no improvement is it the company's fault or the employee?static111 said:
As for his point about his wife's job, it is pretty outrageous how little direct care professionals are paid. That's tough work and the people who receive those services really need them.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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From what I have seen over the years the Caribbean exports a ton of healthcare workers that look after our elderly very cheaply.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah while I don't disagree with anything that guy said, I'm sure there's many jobs he could apply for and get that have better pay and benefits. Factory work, truck-driver, custodian, security guard, etc. He has work experience and seems like he'd interview well. There's not a doubt in my mind he could get a better paying job. I hate to sound like a dick, but he's 37 doing the same job I had when I was 16.tempo_n_groove said:
If you work for the same company for that long and see no improvement is it the company's fault or the employee?static111 said:
As for his point about his wife's job, it is pretty outrageous how little direct care professionals are paid. That's tough work and the people who receive those services really need them.
Yes it is a shame that we spend so little on those employees that take a lot of care of older loved ones.0 -
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Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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You sure he's not an inmate somewhere? That sounds like prison rates.Ledbetterman10 said:
Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?0 -
Well again, while he is "working," the workshop mainly functions as day program where he and other folks like him are, for lack of a better term, being "babysat." And whatever it is he does sounds like something a machine could easily do (and much quicker). But still, a dollar or two an hour would be better than $10 per week.tempo_n_groove said:
You sure he's not an inmate somewhere? That sounds like prison rates.Ledbetterman10 said:
Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Got it. It also makes them feel a sense of being in society I would imagine?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well again, while he is "working," the workshop mainly functions as day program where he and other folks like him are, for lack of a better term, being "babysat." And whatever it is he does sounds like something a machine could easily do (and much quicker). But still, a dollar or two an hour would be better than $10 per week.tempo_n_groove said:
You sure he's not an inmate somewhere? That sounds like prison rates.Ledbetterman10 said:
Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?
I like the idea of that program actually. Thanks for sharing.0 -
End tipped minimum wage? Is that where to can put someone below minimum wage if they collect tips?Ledbetterman10 said:
Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Yes. It’s really stupid too. This of the no brainer of the entire argument for memace1229 said:
End tipped minimum wage? Is that where to can put someone below minimum wage if they collect tips?Ledbetterman10 said:
Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?hippiemom = goodness0 -
Appears Jon Tester voted against this proposal. Your move, PJ.0
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Yeah some waiters/waitresses make as little as $3 an hour cause they also get tipped. It’s ridiculous.cincybearcat said:
Yes. It’s really stupid too. This of the no brainer of the entire argument for memace1229 said:
End tipped minimum wage? Is that where to can put someone below minimum wage if they collect tips?Ledbetterman10 said:
Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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But the #1 argument of we need to tip 20% is because they make so little hourly. Does this mean we tip 10% now?Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah some waiters/waitresses make as little as $3 an hour cause they also get tipped. It’s ridiculous.cincybearcat said:
Yes. It’s really stupid too. This of the no brainer of the entire argument for memace1229 said:
End tipped minimum wage? Is that where to can put someone below minimum wage if they collect tips?Ledbetterman10 said:
Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?
I’ll say I almost always tip the 20% for sit down service because I know it’s expected. But I think it’s a dumb practice. I can go to Applebee’s and buy a $10 sandwich and water and I’m expected to tip $2. The table next to me orders the $20 specialty plate and 2 drinks and he’s expected to tip $8. Was his service any different? Pay the waiters like a normal employee, even if it means increase the cost 10 or 15%
But now I’m also expecting with an increase to $15, the cost of dining will go up to cover that, and therefore tipping.Also seems like the expected tip goes up with time. The reason is inflation. But doesn’t inflation raise the cost of food, which determines the tip? So that doesn’t make sense to me. And not just the cost, but places that you tip. It’s a pet peeve with the self serve restaurant where they ask you to tip before you receive anything. The restaurant where you wait in line to order, you wait until they yell out your order and they give you a basket of food and an empty cup to fill yourself. Before any of that happens, when you place an order they shove an iPad in your face that asks what would you like to tip, and it’s usually 18, 20 or 25%. But why? They haven’t done anything yet. I don’t know what the service or food is like. And it’s self serve, seems like the options should be 5 or 10% after I got my food.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
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Why can’t I be Mr Black?Hobbes said:Mr. Pink?
Except he was against tipping. I’m not against it, I just think the protocol doesn’t make sense.
I guess I am against the standard full tip on a self service restaurant. But do you go inside and tip the gas station attendant in a self service gas station?0 -
Yes if people would be paid normally, we wouldn’t have this ridiculous situation where you tip hardly based on service at all.mace1229 said:
But the #1 argument of we need to tip 20% is because they make so little hourly. Does this mean we tip 10% now?Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah some waiters/waitresses make as little as $3 an hour cause they also get tipped. It’s ridiculous.cincybearcat said:
Yes. It’s really stupid too. This of the no brainer of the entire argument for memace1229 said:
End tipped minimum wage? Is that where to can put someone below minimum wage if they collect tips?Ledbetterman10 said:
Here's the actual tweet since it isn't posting for you...static111 said:
Speaking of sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities, my cousin who has Down Syndrome makes $10 per week working at his workshop (though he contends he makes $40,000). Now, to a large degree, the workshop is meant to give people like him something to do during the day, and his job is basically just boxing things (or something, I never really understand what it is when he describes it). But still, he is working. And whatever it is he boxes up is used somewhere, so it's not like he and his co-workers aren't providing a service. I understand that a great deal of the money go to the staff there (as it should, as they're "supervisors" but really in charge of caring for a large group of people with disabilities for 8 hours). But $10 per week?
I’ll say I almost always tip the 20% for sit down service because I know it’s expected. But I think it’s a dumb practice. I can go to Applebee’s and buy a $10 sandwich and water and I’m expected to tip $2. The table next to me orders the $20 specialty plate and 2 drinks and he’s expected to tip $8. Was his service any different? Pay the waiters like a normal employee, even if it means increase the cost 10 or 15%
But now I’m also expecting with an increase to $15, the cost of dining will go up to cover that, and therefore tipping.Also seems like the expected tip goes up with time. The reason is inflation. But doesn’t inflation raise the cost of food, which determines the tip? So that doesn’t make sense to me. And not just the cost, but places that you tip. It’s a pet peeve with the self serve restaurant where they ask you to tip before you receive anything. The restaurant where you wait in line to order, you wait until they yell out your order and they give you a basket of food and an empty cup to fill yourself. Before any of that happens, when you place an order they shove an iPad in your face that asks what would you like to tip, and it’s usually 18, 20 or 25%. But why? They haven’t done anything yet. I don’t know what the service or food is like. And it’s self serve, seems like the options should be 5 or 10% after I got my food.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I’ve eaten at restaurants in quite a few different countries where they pay their staff a living wage so that they do not need to rely on tips to survive. I don’t recall any of the meals I ordered being noticeably more expensive than a similar meal would be in the US. In fact, often I was surprised by how much less expensive it was than the US most of the time. Well, except for Germany, but Germany is just goddamn expensive.I SAW PEARL JAM0
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I just hated paying more for water than beer when I was in Europe.dankind said:I’ve eaten at restaurants in quite a few different countries where they pay their staff a living wage so that they do not need to rely on tips to survive. I don’t recall any of the meals I ordered being noticeably more expensive than a similar meal would be in the US. In fact, often I was surprised by how much less expensive it was than the US most of the time. Well, except for Germany, but Germany is just goddamn expensive.0 -
That never happened to me. Cause what idiot buys water instead of beer?mace1229 said:
I just hated paying more for water than beer when I was in Europe.dankind said:I’ve eaten at restaurants in quite a few different countries where they pay their staff a living wage so that they do not need to rely on tips to survive. I don’t recall any of the meals I ordered being noticeably more expensive than a similar meal would be in the US. In fact, often I was surprised by how much less expensive it was than the US most of the time. Well, except for Germany, but Germany is just goddamn expensive.
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I mean, I wasn’t devastated over it. But when you’re walking around a foreign city all day in the summer sometimes you just want some water. Almost always it was about $3 for a tiny glass of water that would last about 2 seconds or $4-5 for a liter of beer. It was an easy choice.cincybearcat said:
That never happened to me. Cause what idiot buys water instead of beer?mace1229 said:
I just hated paying more for water than beer when I was in Europe.dankind said:I’ve eaten at restaurants in quite a few different countries where they pay their staff a living wage so that they do not need to rely on tips to survive. I don’t recall any of the meals I ordered being noticeably more expensive than a similar meal would be in the US. In fact, often I was surprised by how much less expensive it was than the US most of the time. Well, except for Germany, but Germany is just goddamn expensive.0
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