#WalkAway is real

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,578
    DPrival78 said:
    eddiec said:
    Every defender of Trump keeps saying it was a choice between Trump or Hillary.
    But in reality, Republicans could have had somebody else running against her. But Republicans went low from the get go and embraced a bigoted fool to lead the party. His presidency was not solely about Hillary. Republicans voters own this one. People need to stop acting as if he just somehow appeared out of nowhere to run against Hillary.
    Trump was embraced by the GOP?  
    Go Beavers said:
    DPrival78 said:
    Everyone is free to support who they want for the reasons they want, of course.  If the key qualification is a candidate’s skin color, gender, or other immutable characteristic, over their ideas as an individual human being, well.. I think that’s a big reason for the divide these days.  

    I vaguely remember someone, sometime, saying something about hoping for a time when we can judge people by the content of their character over their skin color.  Some might say we’re moving in the wrong direction on that front..
    What the wrong direction is is when you say trump is a lowlife, but then go through the process of minimizing and rationalizing him and his actions. He isn’t just like all the others, and it’s not both sides. trump has a worse character than nearly every politician out there. The level of corruption with him is unprecedented. If you like what he’s doing, well then fine. I say like what he’s doing while also holding the thought in your brain about how corrupt he is at the same time. 
    There's a lot of subjectivity there.. I don't know if his character is "worse" than everyone else or if he's corrupt at an "unprecedented" level (we're talking American politics here..).  His character sucks and I'm sure he's corrupt.  As as corrupt as his opponent in '16? Eh.. who knows. 

    As I've said, I don't like the guy personally.   But him being elected had a ton less to do with him as a person, and more to do with A. people being fed up with both parties, and B. a lot of people thinking that country had gone too far to the left.  Trump is the backlash to those two things.  


    Who knows who is more corrupt? Anyone who researches Clinton’s past and trump’s past and then compares the two. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Go Beavers said:
    DPrival78 said:
    eddiec said:
    Every defender of Trump keeps saying it was a choice between Trump or Hillary.
    But in reality, Republicans could have had somebody else running against her. But Republicans went low from the get go and embraced a bigoted fool to lead the party. His presidency was not solely about Hillary. Republicans voters own this one. People need to stop acting as if he just somehow appeared out of nowhere to run against Hillary.
    Trump was embraced by the GOP?  
    Go Beavers said:
    DPrival78 said:
    Everyone is free to support who they want for the reasons they want, of course.  If the key qualification is a candidate’s skin color, gender, or other immutable characteristic, over their ideas as an individual human being, well.. I think that’s a big reason for the divide these days.  

    I vaguely remember someone, sometime, saying something about hoping for a time when we can judge people by the content of their character over their skin color.  Some might say we’re moving in the wrong direction on that front..
    What the wrong direction is is when you say trump is a lowlife, but then go through the process of minimizing and rationalizing him and his actions. He isn’t just like all the others, and it’s not both sides. trump has a worse character than nearly every politician out there. The level of corruption with him is unprecedented. If you like what he’s doing, well then fine. I say like what he’s doing while also holding the thought in your brain about how corrupt he is at the same time. 
    There's a lot of subjectivity there.. I don't know if his character is "worse" than everyone else or if he's corrupt at an "unprecedented" level (we're talking American politics here..).  His character sucks and I'm sure he's corrupt.  As as corrupt as his opponent in '16? Eh.. who knows. 

    As I've said, I don't like the guy personally.   But him being elected had a ton less to do with him as a person, and more to do with A. people being fed up with both parties, and B. a lot of people thinking that country had gone too far to the left.  Trump is the backlash to those two things.  


    Who knows who is more corrupt? Anyone who researches Clinton’s past and trump’s past and then compares the two. 
    Exactly, lol. It's not hard to determine this.
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  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    Again, subjective. You guys think the Clintons are saints?   Or is there some acceptable threshold of corruption for our politicians? 
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited June 2018
    DPrival78 said:
    Again, subjective. You guys think the Clintons are saints?   Or is there some acceptable threshold of corruption for our politicians? 
    I'm not talking about subjective stuff at all, and I don't think Go Beavers is either. We're talking about verifiable facts about both of them.
    And did we say we think the Clintons are saints?? We're just saying that Trump is way, way worse. In a lot of different ways, not just in terms of corruption.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Hmmm.  Let's do a poll and rate Hillary and Trump on a Saintliness Scale from -10 to +10
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,368
    edited June 2018
    flywallyfly said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    flywallyfly said:
    my2hands said:
    DPrival78 said:
    Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   


    I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol
    If someone on here said they were voting for male, white, christian candidates only then they would be attacked as misogynist, racist, religious zealots. Say the opposite and it seems fine in this echo chamber.
    Don’t be shy, blast away. Within forum rules of course. And let me guess, your freedom of speech is being restricted?
    Pretty sure my statement is clear, no "free speech" strawman is necessary.
    Then why not criticize the opposite rather than bemoan the opposite and add to the “echo?”                                                                       
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    brianlux said:
    Hmmm.  Let's do a poll and rate Hillary and Trump on a Saintliness Scale from -10 to +10





    I think the facts speak for themselves. =)
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Hmmm.  Let's do a poll and rate Hillary and Trump on a Saintliness Scale from -10 to +10





    I think the facts speak for themselves. =)
    I think it would be cool if Hillary and Trump both got out of politics and went on SNL once and a while doing skits looking just like there are in those photos as the goddess vs the devil. :lol:
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,452
    edited June 2018
    Walk away walk away
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  • unsung
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    my2hands said:
    DPrival78 said:
    Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   


    I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol
    Sounds sexist and racist.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    unsung said:
    my2hands said:
    DPrival78 said:
    Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   


    I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol
    Sounds sexist and racist.
    Does it? What if you happen to feel that those perspectives are unrepresented in government?
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  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    benjs said:
    unsung said:
    my2hands said:
    DPrival78 said:
    Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   


    I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol
    Sounds sexist and racist.
    Does it? What if you happen to feel that those perspectives are unrepresented in government?
    What’s the proper amount of representation? And what perspectives deserve that amount of representation?
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • unsung
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    edited June 2018
    Doesn't change that it is sexist and racist.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I'm looking to focus and vote for biocentric candidates who also care about social justice. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

    So what kind of hate group does that place me in?
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    Lots of different points of view out there.. If only there was a way to allow them all to freely exist without having an enormous federal govt imposing just a few of them on everyone. 
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    DPrival78 said:
    Lots of different points of view out there.. If only there was a way to allow them all to freely exist without having an enormous federal govt imposing just a few of them on everyone. 
    Pretty much impossible.  Johnny had some ideas though:

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  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    Careful.. John has also said some pretty triggering things about Don
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,368
    DPrival78 said:
    Again, subjective. You guys think the Clintons are saints?   Or is there some acceptable threshold of corruption for our politicians? 
    Has Hillary ever been indicted? Found to have commited perjury? Or obstruct Justice? Lose civil suits or declare bankruptcy or refuse to pay vendors for services provided?
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  • brianlux
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    DPrival78 said:
    Careful.. John has also said some pretty triggering things about Don
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  • DPrival78
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    DPrival78 said:
    Again, subjective. You guys think the Clintons are saints?   Or is there some acceptable threshold of corruption for our politicians? 
    Has Hillary ever been indicted? Found to have commited perjury? Or obstruct Justice? Lose civil suits or declare bankruptcy or refuse to pay vendors for services provided?
    It helps having the FBI bail you out..

    How about her role in Libya, Syria, Iraq.. and the millions of lives that have either been negatively impacted or flat out ended?  Or the resulting migrant crisis?    

    Clinton foundation shenangans?

    She should up for sainthood any day now
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam

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