#WalkAway is real

PJPOWER

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

You got it, that's exactly what I said lol

Sorry dude, I don't take Trump supporters seriously. I'm old enough to remember he has been a fucking clown my entire life that doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the Oval Office. 

A country of 300 million and this is the best we can do? What a joke

I wont be leaving the Dems, I'll be a mostly straight ticket voter the next two elections that focuses on female candidates. Especially since Republicans in my state just voted NO to marijuana legalization, fuck em.

I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

Maybe Rachel Dolezal will throw her hat in the ring for ya. 

pjhawks

DPrival78 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

DPrival78 said:

Well I think we’ll have to agree to disagree there.  There are many on the left who have “gone low” as well.   

You have some very fine people on both sides!

I'll say this: if you voted for McDonald because you always vote republican no matter what... and you have discovered that the guy you propped up does not represent your values... and you curse the day he assumed the presidency... then fair enough.

If you voted for McDonald because you always vote republican no matter what... and you think he's doing a fantastic job representing your values... and are proud of his efforts as a president... then you are (to use your words) a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.

Of course there is going to be division when scenario 2 is the situation and for good reason. The 'middle way' for scenario 2 means someone with intelligence, tolerance, and empathy compromising these attributes to find common ground. Why the f**k would someone do that?  

I think there are more than those two scenarios.  And I think it’s possible to separate the individual from the bigger picture.  When you vote for a particular candidate in any election, do you do so because you see that person’s qualities/character/thoughts/positions as being perfectly in line with yours? 

Our elections have been a choice between the lesser of two evils for a long time.   I really don’t think all, of even most, Trump voters chose him because they think he’s just an all around swell person.  Same deal with Hillary voters.   A lot of people wanted a change in direction in the country, and between two shitty choices, he was the one to give the best chance at that.  

Bernie could have easily been the president had the DNC not railroaded him.  It’s that kind of corruption in mainstream politics that led in part to Trump winning.  People were sick of that type of thing.  Doesn’t make them ignorant racists..

What do you think about the Bernie supporters who voted for Trump after that?  Yes, they do exist..

those people are morons who should feel some personal responsibility for the utter incompetence with the current administration. they voted for a vile ass of a human being with zero political experience because they were butt hurt because their boy lost. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

DPrival78 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

DPrival78 said:

Well I think we’ll have to agree to disagree there.  There are many on the left who have “gone low” as well.   

You have some very fine people on both sides!

I'll say this: if you voted for McDonald because you always vote republican no matter what... and you have discovered that the guy you propped up does not represent your values... and you curse the day he assumed the presidency... then fair enough.

If you voted for McDonald because you always vote republican no matter what... and you think he's doing a fantastic job representing your values... and are proud of his efforts as a president... then you are (to use your words) a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.

Of course there is going to be division when scenario 2 is the situation and for good reason. The 'middle way' for scenario 2 means someone with intelligence, tolerance, and empathy compromising these attributes to find common ground. Why the f**k would someone do that?  

I think there are more than those two scenarios.  And I think it’s possible to separate the individual from the bigger picture.  When you vote for a particular candidate in any election, do you do so because you see that person’s qualities/character/thoughts/positions as being perfectly in line with yours? 

Our elections have been a choice between the lesser of two evils for a long time.   I really don’t think all, of even most, Trump voters chose him because they think he’s just an all around swell person.  Same deal with Hillary voters.   A lot of people wanted a change in direction in the country, and between two shitty choices, he was the one to give the best chance at that.  

Bernie could have easily been the president had the DNC not railroaded him.  It’s that kind of corruption in mainstream politics that led in part to Trump winning.  People were sick of that type of thing.  Doesn’t make them ignorant racists..

What do you think about the Bernie supporters who voted for Trump after that?  Yes, they do exist..

As Pjhawks stated... they would fall into the moron category and are partially responsible for the current calamity your country is undergoing.

And yes there are your micro scenarios, but in general... birds of a feather flock together: if you're rooted in Trump's camp... well... it's been stated.

mickeyrat

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

You got it, that's exactly what I said lol

Sorry dude, I don't take Trump supporters seriously. I'm old enough to remember he has been a fucking clown my entire life that doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the Oval Office. 

A country of 300 million and this is the best we can do? What a joke

I wont be leaving the Dems, I'll be a mostly straight ticket voter the next two elections that focuses on female candidates. Especially since Republicans in my state just voted NO to marijuana legalization, fuck em.

I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

Maybe Rachel Dolezal will throw her hat in the ring for ya. 

no, changed her name asnd is under indictment for welfare fraud. appears she failed to disclose an advance she got for a book.

PJPOWER

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

You got it, that's exactly what I said lol

Sorry dude, I don't take Trump supporters seriously. I'm old enough to remember he has been a fucking clown my entire life that doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the Oval Office. 

A country of 300 million and this is the best we can do? What a joke

I wont be leaving the Dems, I'll be a mostly straight ticket voter the next two elections that focuses on female candidates. Especially since Republicans in my state just voted NO to marijuana legalization, fuck em.

I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

Maybe Rachel Dolezal will throw her hat in the ring for ya. 

no, changed her name asnd is under indictment for welfare fraud. appears she failed to disclose an advance she got for a book.

Damn, maybe if she pretends not to be a criminal?

DPrival78

Everyone is free to support who they want for the reasons they want, of course.  If the key qualification is a candidate’s skin color, gender, or other immutable characteristic, over their ideas as an individual human being, well.. I think that’s a big reason for the divide these days.  

I vaguely remember someone, sometime, saying something about hoping for a time when we can judge people by the content of their character over their skin color.  Some might say we’re moving in the wrong direction on that front..

brianlux

Someone I know was telling me about this woman who left the Democratic for the Republican because she heard that Democrats were considered "common" people and she thinks she is exceptional so she became a Republican.  Fucking brilliant. 

PJPOWER

DPrival78 said:

Everyone is free to support who they want for the reasons they want, of course.  If the key qualification is a candidate’s skin color, gender, or other immutable characteristic, over their ideas as an individual human being, well.. I think that’s a big reason for the divide these days.  

I vaguely remember someone, sometime, saying something about hoping for a time when we can judge people by the content of their character over their skin color.  Some might say we’re moving in the wrong direction on that front..

I agree, voting for someone merely due to the color of their skin or gender is both racist and sexist.  

DPrival78

brianlux said:

Someone I know was telling me about this woman who left the Democratic for the Republican because she heard that Democrats were considered "common" people and she thinks she is exceptional so she became a Republican.  Fucking brilliant. 

:l:lol:

Now that’s something

flywallyfly

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

If someone on here said they were voting for male, white, christian candidates only then they would be attacked as misogynist, racist, religious zealots. Say the opposite and it seems fine in this echo chamber.

PJ_Soul

DPrival78 said:

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

You got it, that's exactly what I said lol

Sorry dude, I don't take Trump supporters seriously. I'm old enough to remember he has been a fucking clown my entire life. 

Not you specifically, but that generally sums up a lot of people’s take.  And you’re not going to get an argument from me about him being a clown.  However there are many of what people call “Trump supporters” out there who are not about the individual himself.   Personally, I think the guy is a lowlife.  But so are 99% of politicians..

And this true for both/all sides..  the collective judgement or dismissal of those who see the world differently that goes on is not exactly doing positive things for the country.   The division is what’s going to get us, not Trump.

Politicians are mostly pretty scummy, yes (but not all of them - not 99% of them). There's a big difference between being a regular lowlife politician and Trump though. Regular lowlife politicians aren't usually sexual predators, don't normally want to fuck their daughters, don't defend taking kids away from their parents and imprisoning them, and don't call the news media the enemy of the people, and call human beings an infestation. They also mostly wouldn't conduct White House business, including international affairs, via Twitter. And they mostly wouldn't be starting trade wars with allies and calling allied leaders names online, while making friends with the totalitarian dictators of the world. You do seem to be working rather hard to try and minimize how much worse Trump is compared to the vast majority of his cohorts.

Halifax2TheMax

flywallyfly said:

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

If someone on here said they were voting for male, white, christian candidates only then they would be attacked as misogynist, racist, religious zealots. Say the opposite and it seems fine in this echo chamber.

Don’t be shy, blast away. Within forum rules of course. And let me guess, your freedom of speech is being restricted?

eddiec

Every defender of Trump keeps saying it was a choice between Trump or Hillary.

But in reality, Republicans could have had somebody else running against her. But Republicans went low from the get go and embraced a bigoted fool to lead the party. His presidency was not solely about Hillary. Republicans voters own this one. People need to stop acting as if he just somehow appeared out of nowhere to run against Hillary.

flywallyfly

Halifax2TheMax said:

flywallyfly said:

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

If someone on here said they were voting for male, white, christian candidates only then they would be attacked as misogynist, racist, religious zealots. Say the opposite and it seems fine in this echo chamber.

Don’t be shy, blast away. Within forum rules of course. And let me guess, your freedom of speech is being restricted?

Pretty sure my statement is clear, no "free speech" strawman is necessary.

PJ_Soul

flywallyfly said:

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

If someone on here said they were voting for male, white, christian candidates only then they would be attacked as misogynist, racist, religious zealots. Say the opposite and it seems fine in this echo chamber.

Only if that white male Christian was actually also homophobic, racist, and/or misogynist and intended to try and contribute to the creation of or changing of laws towards those beliefs, or had some other crazy ideas that threatened other people's freedoms. If you said you were voting for someone with those views, then yeah, you would be accused of that because it would appear to simply be true. Why else would you vote for such a person? If you think people here would just make those assumptions and ignore the facts (say the person wasn't any of those things), then I completely disagree with you. People here don't mind white Christian males if they aren't hateful bigots out to control people in ways they don't want to be controlled (and in ways that we believe are unconstitutional).

By the way, this #walkaway thing is obviously pretty much nothing. It's not a movement. It's just a hashtag that way more right wingers care about than anyone thinking about what more liberal party to vote for.

brianlux

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HughFreakingDillon

flywallyfly said:

my2hands said:

DPrival78 said:

Russian bots are responsible for everything we don’t like. No one actually disagrees with any mainstream liberal position on their own.  Or if they do, they’re a bigoted, redneck, nazi simpleton.   

I'm looking to focus and vote for female, non-white, non-christian candidates. Something tells me Republicans wont have a lot to offer for me lol

If someone on here said they were voting for male, white, christian candidates only then they would be attacked as misogynist, racist, religious zealots. Say the opposite and it seems fine in this echo chamber.

there's a good reason for that. christian, not so much, but white and male, yeah, the consistent message is pretty clear on that. that group has never been oppressed. 

Go Beavers

DPrival78 said:

Everyone is free to support who they want for the reasons they want, of course.  If the key qualification is a candidate’s skin color, gender, or other immutable characteristic, over their ideas as an individual human being, well.. I think that’s a big reason for the divide these days.  

I vaguely remember someone, sometime, saying something about hoping for a time when we can judge people by the content of their character over their skin color.  Some might say we’re moving in the wrong direction on that front..

What the wrong direction is is when you say trump is a lowlife, but then go through the process of minimizing and rationalizing him and his actions. He isn’t just like all the others, and it’s not both sides. trump has a worse character than nearly every politician out there. The level of corruption with him is unprecedented. If you like what he’s doing, well then fine. I say like what he’s doing while also holding the thought in your brain about how corrupt he is at the same time. 

HughFreakingDillon

you could use the both sides argument if the president were nearly any one of the other republican nominees. 

DPrival78

eddiec said:

Every defender of Trump keeps saying it was a choice between Trump or Hillary.

But in reality, Republicans could have had somebody else running against her. But Republicans went low from the get go and embraced a bigoted fool to lead the party. His presidency was not solely about Hillary. Republicans voters own this one. People need to stop acting as if he just somehow appeared out of nowhere to run against Hillary.

Trump was embraced by the GOP?  

Go Beavers said:

DPrival78 said:

Everyone is free to support who they want for the reasons they want, of course.  If the key qualification is a candidate’s skin color, gender, or other immutable characteristic, over their ideas as an individual human being, well.. I think that’s a big reason for the divide these days.  

I vaguely remember someone, sometime, saying something about hoping for a time when we can judge people by the content of their character over their skin color.  Some might say we’re moving in the wrong direction on that front..

What the wrong direction is is when you say trump is a lowlife, but then go through the process of minimizing and rationalizing him and his actions. He isn’t just like all the others, and it’s not both sides. trump has a worse character than nearly every politician out there. The level of corruption with him is unprecedented. If you like what he’s doing, well then fine. I say like what he’s doing while also holding the thought in your brain about how corrupt he is at the same time. 

There's a lot of subjectivity there.. I don't know if his character is "worse" than everyone else or if he's corrupt at an "unprecedented" level (we're talking American politics here..).  His character sucks and I'm sure he's corrupt.  As as corrupt as his opponent in '16? Eh.. who knows. 

As I've said, I don't like the guy personally.   But him being elected had a ton less to do with him as a person, and more to do with A. people being fed up with both parties, and B. a lot of people thinking that country had gone too far to the left.  Trump is the backlash to those two things.