THERE IS NO LIST/NUMBER SYSTEM FOR 10C GA LINES

F Me In The Brain · July 2018

Nobody cares what you think, except for the few who determine it is ok to run lists and push them on others.
Lists are not allowed.
Simple as that.

CB254133 · July 2018

,

Hi Er tibbia
It's great that you have come onto the forum to put your side of the story, debate and discussion will hopefully enable all to understand the issues at hand from everyones perspective. Before we start, well done for your chosen profession a being a fireman that is an honourable profession in every language. We do not know each other and I base my comments on my own experience of the number system and the numerous posts about peoples experiences in the GA line, I am not criticising you as an individual (again I do not know you) but I am questioning the validity and implementation of the list and number system that you support.

For me the main issue is people pretending to represent 10C when they do not. Using this lie to impose their system (which is against 10C advice) on others and of particular concern are the numerous allegations of threatened violence and intimidation to impose the list on all in the line.

Also of concern is your belief that the list and numbers are welcomed by the majority. I think this must depend on your particular social group as within my PJ circle of friends it is not. I believe the general perception on this thread and within my group of friends is that the list and numbers systems are implemented and used (and imposed on others) to enable a select few to turn up late and still get to the front of the queue. If you have camped out overnight you are more dedicated than me and deserve your spot at the front, in fact I will hold that spot for you whilst you go to the toilet and get your tickets etc, you've earned it (see my earlier post about the O2 when my spot was held by those around me whilst I went to get my tickets and had no problem rejoining the queue without my name on a list or a number on my hand) . I would welcome your comment on the numerous reports of large groups being away from the queue for long periods of time and then turning up late and getting to the front of the queue on the strength of the unofficial list. I honestly don't believe that they all went to the toilet, merch, tickets at the same time.

I am going to Berlin and will be in the GA early entry line. I will be taking the 10C advice and will not be signing up to any GA line list or writing a number on my hand. A couple of questions on which I would welcome your comment.
How will this work if there is a list or number system implemented by someone with no authority to do so, will I automatically get pushed to the back of the queue and enter after everyone on the unofficial and unsupported list?
Will I be expected to move backwards for others who have been away for extended periods of time and have not been seen for hours. What will happen when I refuse to move backwards and hold my position in the queue? I do not expected to be threatened, shouted at or intimidated by anyone and I will expect to enter the venue in an order determined by arrival position in the GA line (people ahead of me returning to the queue after reasonable toilet breaks, march, ticket runs excepted).

Apologies for the length of this email hopefully i haven't put everyone to sleep!!

rdalhuisen · July 2018

CB254133 said:

,
Hi Er tibbia
It's great that you have come onto the forum to put your side of the story, debate and discussion will hopefully enable all to understand the issues at hand from everyones perspective. Before we start, well done for your chosen profession a being a fireman that is an honourable profession in every language. We do not know each other and I base my comments on my own experience of the number system and the numerous posts about peoples experiences in the GA line, I am not criticising you as an individual (again I do not know you) but I am questioning the validity and implementation of the list and number system that you support.

For me the main issue is people pretending to represent 10C when they do not. Using this lie to impose their system (which is against 10C advice) on others and of particular concern are the numerous allegations of threatened violence and intimidation to impose the list on all in the line.

Also of concern is your belief that the list and numbers are welcomed by the majority. I think this must depend on your particular social group as within my PJ circle of friends it is not. I believe the general perception on this thread and within my group of friends is that the list and numbers systems are implemented and used (and imposed on others) to enable a select few to turn up late and still get to the front of the queue. If you have camped out overnight you are more dedicated than me and deserve your spot at the front, in fact I will hold that spot for you whilst you go to the toilet and get your tickets etc, you've earned it (see my earlier post about the O2 when my spot was held by those around me whilst I went to get my tickets and had no problem rejoining the queue without my name on a list or a number on my hand) . I would welcome your comment on the numerous reports of large groups being away from the queue for long periods of time and then turning up late and getting to the front of the queue on the strength of the unofficial list. I honestly don't believe that they all went to the toilet, merch, tickets at the same time.

I am going to Berlin and will be in the GA early entry line. I will be taking the 10C advice and will not be signing up to any GA line list or writing a number on my hand. A couple of questions on which I would welcome your comment.
How will this work if there is a list or number system implemented by someone with no authority to do so, will I automatically get pushed to the back of the queue and enter after everyone on the unofficial and unsupported list?
Will I be expected to move backwards for others who have been away for extended periods of time and have not been seen for hours. What will happen when I refuse to move backwards and hold my position in the queue? I do not expected to be threatened, shouted at or intimidated by anyone and I will expect to enter the venue in an order determined by arrival position in the GA line (people ahead of me returning to the queue after reasonable toilet breaks, march, ticket runs excepted).

Apologies for the length of this email hopefully i haven't put everyone to sleep!!

Very well said!!

Er tibbia · July 2018

F Me In The Brain said:

Nobody cares what you think, except for the few who determine it is ok to run lists and push them on others.
Lists are not allowed.
Simple as that.

in the directives of 10c we are not just talking about numbers and lists, but there is respect for people, socialization and honesty ... and yet ... yet in Padova we saw a Non-Italian Guy insulting with “FUCKING BITCH” to Italian girl with half of him years, in Rome we saw people try to skip the line, and buy 20 posters each before the opening of merch and then sell them on ebay at $ 1000 each.

you do not care about our thinking ... ok ... but someone else cares if you say “fucking bitch” to a girl, if you skip the line by being smart or doing business with the posters? To whom can we refer, at the exact moment, who intervenes, who takes action, who cares this?

Er tibbia · July 2018

CB254133 said:

,
Hi Er tibbia
It's great that you have come onto the forum to put your side of the story, debate and discussion will hopefully enable all to understand the issues at hand from everyones perspective. Before we start, well done for your chosen profession a being a fireman that is an honourable profession in every language. We do not know each other and I base my comments on my own experience of the number system and the numerous posts about peoples experiences in the GA line, I am not criticising you as an individual (again I do not know you) but I am questioning the validity and implementation of the list and number system that you support.

For me the main issue is people pretending to represent 10C when they do not. Using this lie to impose their system (which is against 10C advice) on others and of particular concern are the numerous allegations of threatened violence and intimidation to impose the list on all in the line.

Also of concern is your belief that the list and numbers are welcomed by the majority. I think this must depend on your particular social group as within my PJ circle of friends it is not. I believe the general perception on this thread and within my group of friends is that the list and numbers systems are implemented and used (and imposed on others) to enable a select few to turn up late and still get to the front of the queue. If you have camped out overnight you are more dedicated than me and deserve your spot at the front, in fact I will hold that spot for you whilst you go to the toilet and get your tickets etc, you've earned it (see my earlier post about the O2 when my spot was held by those around me whilst I went to get my tickets and had no problem rejoining the queue without my name on a list or a number on my hand) . I would welcome your comment on the numerous reports of large groups being away from the queue for long periods of time and then turning up late and getting to the front of the queue on the strength of the unofficial list. I honestly don't believe that they all went to the toilet, merch, tickets at the same time.

I am going to Berlin and will be in the GA early entry line. I will be taking the 10C advice and will not be signing up to any GA line list or writing a number on my hand. A couple of questions on which I would welcome your comment.
How will this work if there is a list or number system implemented by someone with no authority to do so, will I automatically get pushed to the back of the queue and enter after everyone on the unofficial and unsupported list?
Will I be expected to move backwards for others who have been away for extended periods of time and have not been seen for hours. What will happen when I refuse to move backwards and hold my position in the queue? I do not expected to be threatened, shouted at or intimidated by anyone and I will expect to enter the venue in an order determined by arrival position in the GA line (people ahead of me returning to the queue after reasonable toilet breaks, march, ticket runs excepted).

Apologies for the length of this email hopefully i haven't put everyone to sleep!!

I appreciate the time you took to answer me so thoroughly.

I repeat, I haven’t organized the numbers, but if you ask me what I think about the numbers, for my experience ... I'm not in the first experiences of concerts ... I have no bad memories.

I hate the smart, I hate those who leave the queue to go away hours, hours and hours, I like being in a row camped and meet new people speaking different languages from mine, even if my English is terrible.

I like it, it's not me who leaves the queue for hours and try to be smart ... think of Rome in a tent for 2 days I brought with me my 2 dogs and I've been playing with the ball with all the other members.

Unfortunately you have to admit that we are not all the same and all good. Some people arrived in the afternoon, arguing that if you went to the bathroom or get your ticket, you would lose the line. for them the line started only with the ticket in hand ... it's madness, right?

I do not need the numbers, I can behave and self-regulate myself, but if in the interest of the safety and security of 4/500 people the majority approves the numbers, I do not see anything outrageous.

I also ask you a question:

someone else cares if you say “fucking bitch” to a girl, if you skip the line by being smart or doing business with the posters? To whom can we refer, at the exact moment, who intervenes, who takes action, who cares this?

is there any authority, maybe 10c, that can be there with us and intervene?

if you can not do it, and leave everything to the self-responsibility of the people, then I think that we must reason and respect the self-management of a group, which has the sole purpose of tranquility, honesty and honesty.

pleasure, and sorry for my english but help me a bit with google translate

CB254133 · July 2018

You're English is much much better than my Italian!!

I care about the abuse of any 10C member regardless of gender, age religion etc. This is clearly wrong and and is also the reason why I am so engaged on this subject because of the number of reports of intimidation with the enforcement of these lists. I can't comment on this particular situation as I wasn't there but will add it is never OK to personally abuse someone, male or female. I don't do it, I have never seen it in a 10C line (except for an individual in Berlin, see below) and those that I choose to call friends do not do it.

I agree that the line does not start only once you have your ticket in hand especially as 10C tickets are not available for collection until a few hours before the doors open. Personally I have never experienced this, I take the time to get to know those around me in the queue and they hold my space for reasonable gaps such as getting tickets, toilet breaks, grabbing a coffee etc., I don't disappear for a second more than is absolutely necessary and certainly don't take the piss out of my fellow PJ fans by going back to my hotel or sleep in my car!! My only personal experience of intimidation in a 10C line was over the number on hand system (Berlin 1 2012) when the self appointed tried to pull me out of line as I didn't have the right number on my hand. That didn't work out to well for him although I never resorted to raising my voice or swearing at him, just plain ignored him!

In my personal experience the 10C lines self regulate very well. Common sense and a common joy of great music rather than lists & numbers what is needed. I will leave you with one question - If the list and/or numbers system is so welcomed why does those that impose them have to pretend to be an official of 10C to impose their will on others?

lastexitlondon · July 2018

Did the dogs enjoy the gig?

Er tibbia · July 2018

lastexitlondon said:

Did the dogs enjoy the gig?

waiting for the row ... 2 hours before entering a friend came to get them holding them until the end of the concert

Er tibbia · July 2018

the night rained a lot, and they slept in the tent with me ... we never left the line
✌

DW168074 · July 2018

I appreciate the time you took to answer me so thoroughly.
I repeat, I haven’t organized the numbers, but if you ask me what I think about the numbers, for my experience ... I'm not in the first experiences of concerts ... I have no bad memories.
I hate the smart, I hate those who leave the queue to go away hours, hours and hours, I like being in a row camped and meet new people speaking different languages from mine, even if my English is terrible.
I like it, it's not me who leaves the queue for hours and try to be smart ... think of Rome in a tent for 2 days I brought with me my 2 dogs and I've been playing with the ball with all the other members.
Unfortunately you have to admit that we are not all the same and all good. Some people arrived in the afternoon, arguing that if you went to the bathroom or get your ticket, you would lose the line. for them the line started only with the ticket in hand ... it's madness, right?
I do not need the numbers, I can behave and self-regulate myself, but if in the interest of the safety and security of 4/500 people the majority approves the numbers, I do not see anything outrageous.

I also ask you a question:
someone else cares if you say “fucking bitch” to a girl, if you skip the line by being smart or doing business with the posters? To whom can we refer, at the exact moment, who intervenes, who takes action, who cares this?
is there any authority, maybe 10c, that can be there with us and intervene?
if you can not do it, and leave everything to the self-responsibility of the people, then I think that we must reason and respect the self-management of a group, which has the sole purpose of tranquility, honesty and honesty.

pleasure, and sorry for my english but help me a bit with google translate

Hi Er tibbia,
we had a discussion about this topic already in the queue in Rome when you wanted to expell me and my friends as we had no numbers.
The reason why we had no numbers were, as I explained you, that we followed the rules by TC. When we queued up in the morning round about 10am, two guys came and asked us if we want to put our names in the list (but we should have been round about 190). We asked if we had to but they stated both no. If we keep the guys before/ behind us in mind it is no problem.
The only "real" problems started when the people were "organized" by their numbers round about 3pm. And what I especially hated were the lies that were told to go through with the "list" thing.
When you wanted to expell us from the line you said that:
- you read the TC email carefully and they did not wrote that the list is forbidden, only that they have no system; as I said that this is not true you called me a liar; I have several people that can testify this
- that TC appriciates you helping them bringing order in the queue
- that we all did a mistake not putting our names in the list and now we have to go back to the end of the queue as it is mandatory to be in the list
If your system is so nice and protective why do you lie?
You even tried to upset the other fans in the queue when you asked me if I think they are stupid as they put their names in the list (what did not work out).
And as you have seen, no one had a problem with us standing in the queue without numbers as we all saw us over the whole day, queing up together. They even defended us when they testified we were there the whole day.
I think the list works out fine for the first 50 people and togerther with the role calls all three hours as it was done in Rome that`s fine. But in the morning you have to stop. I saw/heard myself that several people left again for hours due to the list (as in Padova) and came back just when the line was moved. I left myself for some time to get my tickets/ beer/ toilet break but I spoke always with the people around me and informed them. No problem at all. If you leave for some short time, no one has a problem, everybody has to normaly.
Why is queing up working out in all other countries but Italy without a list (except some rare cases)?
Also the majority of the people did not approve what you are doing; it`s that they don`t care or (even worse) they are afraid of what happened if they do not follow the "list" rules (see Padova, see Rome when people had to leave the queue).
I found the behaviour of the people who "organized" the list in Padova and Rome rather aggressive than helpfull.

lastexitlondon · July 2018

DW168074 said:

I appreciate the time you took to answer me so thoroughly.
I repeat, I haven’t organized the numbers, but if you ask me what I think about the numbers, for my experience ... I'm not in the first experiences of concerts ... I have no bad memories.
I hate the smart, I hate those who leave the queue to go away hours, hours and hours, I like being in a row camped and meet new people speaking different languages from mine, even if my English is terrible.
I like it, it's not me who leaves the queue for hours and try to be smart ... think of Rome in a tent for 2 days I brought with me my 2 dogs and I've been playing with the ball with all the other members.
Unfortunately you have to admit that we are not all the same and all good. Some people arrived in the afternoon, arguing that if you went to the bathroom or get your ticket, you would lose the line. for them the line started only with the ticket in hand ... it's madness, right?
I do not need the numbers, I can behave and self-regulate myself, but if in the interest of the safety and security of 4/500 people the majority approves the numbers, I do not see anything outrageous.

I also ask you a question:
someone else cares if you say “fucking bitch” to a girl, if you skip the line by being smart or doing business with the posters? To whom can we refer, at the exact moment, who intervenes, who takes action, who cares this?
is there any authority, maybe 10c, that can be there with us and intervene?
if you can not do it, and leave everything to the self-responsibility of the people, then I think that we must reason and respect the self-management of a group, which has the sole purpose of tranquility, honesty and honesty.

pleasure, and sorry for my english but help me a bit with google translate

Hi Er tibbia,
we had a discussion about this topic already in the queue in Rome when you wanted to expell me and my friends as we had no numbers.
The reason why we had no numbers were, as I explained you, that we followed the rules by TC. When we queued up in the morning round about 10am, two guys came and asked us if we want to put our names in the list (but we should have been round about 190). We asked if we had to but they stated both no. If we keep the guys before/ behind us in mind it is no problem.
The only "real" problems started when the people were "organized" by their numbers round about 3pm. And what I especially hated were the lies that were told to go through with the "list" thing.
When you wanted to expell us from the line you said that:
- you read the TC email carefully and they did not wrote that the list is forbidden, only that they have no system; as I said that this is not true you called me a liar; I have several people that can testify this
- that TC appriciates you helping them bringing order in the queue
- that we all did a mistake not putting our names in the list and now we have to go back to the end of the queue as it is mandatory to be in the list
If your system is so nice and protective why do you lie?
You even tried to upset the other fans in the queue when you asked me if I think they are stupid as they put their names in the list (what did not work out).
And as you have seen, no one had a problem with us standing in the queue without numbers as we all saw us over the whole day, queing up together. They even defended us when they testified we were there the whole day.
I think the list works out fine for the first 50 people and togerther with the role calls all three hours as it was done in Rome that`s fine. But in the morning you have to stop. I saw/heard myself that several people left again for hours due to the list (as in Padova) and came back just when the line was moved. I left myself for some time to get my tickets/ beer/ toilet break but I spoke always with the people around me and informed them. No problem at all. If you leave for some short time, no one has a problem, everybody has to normaly.
Why is queing up working out in all other countries but Italy without a list (except some rare cases)?
Also the majority of the people did not approve what you are doing; it`s that they don`t care or (even worse) they are afraid of what happened if they do not follow the "list" rules (see Padova, see Rome when people had to leave the queue).
I found the behaviour of the people who "organized" the list in Padova and Rome rather aggressive than helpfull.

At last somebody who actually witnessed what happened. See this is what annoys the hell out of me. Telling people that you are doing 10c a favour. And asking others to justify by saying that the people must be stupid NOT to be on a list. Only in Italy this seems to be a problem why is this please tell me. Because I have slept out many gigs all over Europe. I understand . My experience is of one Italian leaving all.day then trying the old I have number 1 on my hand so I can just wonder back in. Same guy twice has done this. It's fucking simple do as this person did
Take your place respect your fellow fan and neighbour . Er tibbia You clearly tried to expel this person from the queue who the hell are you to kick anyone from a queue ?

lastexitlondon · July 2018

I am not scared of any human . I hope you try this with me. It's intimidation

FC210234 · July 2018

Without list or numbers I’ve always found trouble and problems during the queue ... Italy, US , Canada, Holland , Germany , just because off as....le are everywhere in the world , and every time I told them “you are behind me , because you arrived late” NOBODY helped me... the majority of the people (I don’t know how could you could them) don’t approve the number system because of they arrive in the morning the day of the show and pretend to enter before people slept 2 night outside the venue ...

Er tibbia · July 2018

DW168074 said:

I appreciate the time you took to answer me so thoroughly.
I repeat, I haven’t organized the numbers, but if you ask me what I think about the numbers, for my experience ... I'm not in the first experiences of concerts ... I have no bad memories.
I hate the smart, I hate those who leave the queue to go away hours, hours and hours, I like being in a row camped and meet new people speaking different languages from mine, even if my English is terrible.
I like it, it's not me who leaves the queue for hours and try to be smart ... think of Rome in a tent for 2 days I brought with me my 2 dogs and I've been playing with the ball with all the other members.
Unfortunately you have to admit that we are not all the same and all good. Some people arrived in the afternoon, arguing that if you went to the bathroom or get your ticket, you would lose the line. for them the line started only with the ticket in hand ... it's madness, right?
I do not need the numbers, I can behave and self-regulate myself, but if in the interest of the safety and security of 4/500 people the majority approves the numbers, I do not see anything outrageous.

I also ask you a question:
someone else cares if you say “fucking bitch” to a girl, if you skip the line by being smart or doing business with the posters? To whom can we refer, at the exact moment, who intervenes, who takes action, who cares this?
is there any authority, maybe 10c, that can be there with us and intervene?
if you can not do it, and leave everything to the self-responsibility of the people, then I think that we must reason and respect the self-management of a group, which has the sole purpose of tranquility, honesty and honesty.

pleasure, and sorry for my english but help me a bit with google translate

Hi Er tibbia,
we had a discussion about this topic already in the queue in Rome when you wanted to expell me and my friends as we had no numbers.
The reason why we had no numbers were, as I explained you, that we followed the rules by TC. When we queued up in the morning round about 10am, two guys came and asked us if we want to put our names in the list (but we should have been round about 190). We asked if we had to but they stated both no. If we keep the guys before/ behind us in mind it is no problem.
The only "real" problems started when the people were "organized" by their numbers round about 3pm. And what I especially hated were the lies that were told to go through with the "list" thing.
When you wanted to expell us from the line you said that:
- you read the TC email carefully and they did not wrote that the list is forbidden, only that they have no system; as I said that this is not true you called me a liar; I have several people that can testify this
- that TC appriciates you helping them bringing order in the queue
- that we all did a mistake not putting our names in the list and now we have to go back to the end of the queue as it is mandatory to be in the list
If your system is so nice and protective why do you lie?
You even tried to upset the other fans in the queue when you asked me if I think they are stupid as they put their names in the list (what did not work out).
And as you have seen, no one had a problem with us standing in the queue without numbers as we all saw us over the whole day, queing up together. They even defended us when they testified we were there the whole day.
I think the list works out fine for the first 50 people and togerther with the role calls all three hours as it was done in Rome that`s fine. But in the morning you have to stop. I saw/heard myself that several people left again for hours due to the list (as in Padova) and came back just when the line was moved. I left myself for some time to get my tickets/ beer/ toilet break but I spoke always with the people around me and informed them. No problem at all. If you leave for some short time, no one has a problem, everybody has to normaly.
Why is queing up working out in all other countries but Italy without a list (except some rare cases)?
Also the majority of the people did not approve what you are doing; it`s that they don`t care or (even worse) they are afraid of what happened if they do not follow the "list" rules (see Padova, see Rome when people had to leave the queue).
I found the behaviour of the people who "organized" the list in Padova and Rome rather aggressive than helpfull.

A question: you are italian true ?

because you say that I have told you a lot of things, and I speak to difficulties in English. I spoke only with Italians. The Australians and the English made me translate what they wanted to say, and I along with others I explained to Italians in Italian. I remember having treated rough, only the person who created all this false question about me, and only because this person was not interested in the dialogue and claimed to move on to those who had gone to take the tickets or moved away to lay the curtains in the car.

from what I remember the numbers were put up to number 300, and in these 300 no one with the number on the hand tried to skip the line or to sneak. the only ones who tried us were without number, and I'm not ashamed to admit they were all Italians. these are the Italians who make us look like the cunning and the mafia in the world. the fact that I was there for 2 days without ever moving and helping, as I could, foreign children, proves the fact that I do not behave with cunning, even the hate.

maybe you're one of those who tried to skip the normal line and maybe you're a friend of the person who says I'm a nazist.

if you are not Italian then you are confusing me with someone else, because I repeat, if I speak English I’m funny, and to write I have to ask for help google translate, it's impossible for me.

if I had really behaved violently and spuriously as you say, what sense would have had for me to come out into the open, putting us face and identity accounts. What could I earn?

muttley-ml · July 2018

F Me In The Brain said:

Nobody cares what you think, except for the few who determine it is ok to run lists and push them on others.
Lists are not allowed.
Simple as that.

Thanks, also for me It's a pleasure to exchange points of view with a human being with such a high grade of open mindedness.

Lucky us that in the email was not written "cut your hand with a knife": otherwise it would have been "no one cares what you think, the rules are that you have to cut your hand!!! If you have 2 hands you're not following the rules. Ir's not allowed to have 2 hands".

With my best regards

FC210234 · July 2018

muttley-ml said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Nobody cares what you think, except for the few who determine it is ok to run lists and push them on others.
Lists are not allowed.
Simple as that.

Thanks, also for me It's a pleasure to exchange points of view with a human being with such a high grade of open mindedness.

Lucky us that in the email was not written "cut your hand with a knife": otherwise it would have been "no one cares what you think, the rules are that you have to cut your hand!!! If you have 2 hands you're not following the rules. Ir's not allowed to have 2 hands".

With my best regards

FC210234 · July 2018

Er tibbia · July 2018

lastexitlondon said:

DW168074 said:

I appreciate the time you took to answer me so thoroughly.
I repeat, I haven’t organized the numbers, but if you ask me what I think about the numbers, for my experience ... I'm not in the first experiences of concerts ... I have no bad memories.
I hate the smart, I hate those who leave the queue to go away hours, hours and hours, I like being in a row camped and meet new people speaking different languages from mine, even if my English is terrible.
I like it, it's not me who leaves the queue for hours and try to be smart ... think of Rome in a tent for 2 days I brought with me my 2 dogs and I've been playing with the ball with all the other members.
Unfortunately you have to admit that we are not all the same and all good. Some people arrived in the afternoon, arguing that if you went to the bathroom or get your ticket, you would lose the line. for them the line started only with the ticket in hand ... it's madness, right?
I do not need the numbers, I can behave and self-regulate myself, but if in the interest of the safety and security of 4/500 people the majority approves the numbers, I do not see anything outrageous.

I also ask you a question:
someone else cares if you say “fucking bitch” to a girl, if you skip the line by being smart or doing business with the posters? To whom can we refer, at the exact moment, who intervenes, who takes action, who cares this?
is there any authority, maybe 10c, that can be there with us and intervene?
if you can not do it, and leave everything to the self-responsibility of the people, then I think that we must reason and respect the self-management of a group, which has the sole purpose of tranquility, honesty and honesty.

pleasure, and sorry for my english but help me a bit with google translate

Hi Er tibbia,
we had a discussion about this topic already in the queue in Rome when you wanted to expell me and my friends as we had no numbers.
The reason why we had no numbers were, as I explained you, that we followed the rules by TC. When we queued up in the morning round about 10am, two guys came and asked us if we want to put our names in the list (but we should have been round about 190). We asked if we had to but they stated both no. If we keep the guys before/ behind us in mind it is no problem.
The only "real" problems started when the people were "organized" by their numbers round about 3pm. And what I especially hated were the lies that were told to go through with the "list" thing.
When you wanted to expell us from the line you said that:
- you read the TC email carefully and they did not wrote that the list is forbidden, only that they have no system; as I said that this is not true you called me a liar; I have several people that can testify this
- that TC appriciates you helping them bringing order in the queue
- that we all did a mistake not putting our names in the list and now we have to go back to the end of the queue as it is mandatory to be in the list
If your system is so nice and protective why do you lie?
You even tried to upset the other fans in the queue when you asked me if I think they are stupid as they put their names in the list (what did not work out).
And as you have seen, no one had a problem with us standing in the queue without numbers as we all saw us over the whole day, queing up together. They even defended us when they testified we were there the whole day.
I think the list works out fine for the first 50 people and togerther with the role calls all three hours as it was done in Rome that`s fine. But in the morning you have to stop. I saw/heard myself that several people left again for hours due to the list (as in Padova) and came back just when the line was moved. I left myself for some time to get my tickets/ beer/ toilet break but I spoke always with the people around me and informed them. No problem at all. If you leave for some short time, no one has a problem, everybody has to normaly.
Why is queing up working out in all other countries but Italy without a list (except some rare cases)?
Also the majority of the people did not approve what you are doing; it`s that they don`t care or (even worse) they are afraid of what happened if they do not follow the "list" rules (see Padova, see Rome when people had to leave the queue).
I found the behaviour of the people who "organized" the list in Padova and Rome rather aggressive than helpfull.

At last somebody who actually witnessed what happened. See this is what annoys the hell out of me. Telling people that you are doing 10c a favour. And asking others to justify by saying that the people must be stupid NOT to be on a list. Only in Italy this seems to be a problem why is this please tell me. Because I have slept out many gigs all over Europe. I understand . My experience is of one Italian leaving all.day then trying the old I have number 1 on my hand so I can just wonder back in. Same guy twice has done this. It's fucking simple do as this person did
Take your place respect your fellow fan and neighbour . Er tibbia You clearly tried to expel this person from the queue who the hell are you to kick anyone from a queue ?

I do not understand how you can take the accusations of 2 people for real, which came on the day of the concert, and do not believe in the least to those who slept there all night without ever moving. this new person says that at 10:00 in the morning it was 190th ... by heart at 6am we were in more than 170 ... I see it difficult that from 6:00 to 10:00 only 20 people arrived.

I'm sorry that the only memory you have of an Italian is a cunning, I told you that I hate this thing to leave and come back. you ask me if I have removed someone from the queue, yes I did it! with 2 guys who tried to get in and who were starting to fight creating problems. I have not acted absolutely in the name of 10c, I acted in my name in respect of all those who had arrived from the day before and in the night, and always to prevent the situation degenerate creating danger for all (I said, and others can confirm that in Italy private crew security at concerts only takes place in case of a fight)

FC210234 · July 2018

Er tibbia said:

lastexitlondon said:

DW168074 said:

I appreciate the time you took to answer me so thoroughly.
I repeat, I haven’t organized the numbers, but if you ask me what I think about the numbers, for my experience ... I'm not in the first experiences of concerts ... I have no bad memories.
I hate the smart, I hate those who leave the queue to go away hours, hours and hours, I like being in a row camped and meet new people speaking different languages from mine, even if my English is terrible.
I like it, it's not me who leaves the queue for hours and try to be smart ... think of Rome in a tent for 2 days I brought with me my 2 dogs and I've been playing with the ball with all the other members.
Unfortunately you have to admit that we are not all the same and all good. Some people arrived in the afternoon, arguing that if you went to the bathroom or get your ticket, you would lose the line. for them the line started only with the ticket in hand ... it's madness, right?
I do not need the numbers, I can behave and self-regulate myself, but if in the interest of the safety and security of 4/500 people the majority approves the numbers, I do not see anything outrageous.

I also ask you a question:
someone else cares if you say “fucking bitch” to a girl, if you skip the line by being smart or doing business with the posters? To whom can we refer, at the exact moment, who intervenes, who takes action, who cares this?
is there any authority, maybe 10c, that can be there with us and intervene?
if you can not do it, and leave everything to the self-responsibility of the people, then I think that we must reason and respect the self-management of a group, which has the sole purpose of tranquility, honesty and honesty.

pleasure, and sorry for my english but help me a bit with google translate

Hi Er tibbia,
we had a discussion about this topic already in the queue in Rome when you wanted to expell me and my friends as we had no numbers.
The reason why we had no numbers were, as I explained you, that we followed the rules by TC. When we queued up in the morning round about 10am, two guys came and asked us if we want to put our names in the list (but we should have been round about 190). We asked if we had to but they stated both no. If we keep the guys before/ behind us in mind it is no problem.
The only "real" problems started when the people were "organized" by their numbers round about 3pm. And what I especially hated were the lies that were told to go through with the "list" thing.
When you wanted to expell us from the line you said that:
- you read the TC email carefully and they did not wrote that the list is forbidden, only that they have no system; as I said that this is not true you called me a liar; I have several people that can testify this
- that TC appriciates you helping them bringing order in the queue
- that we all did a mistake not putting our names in the list and now we have to go back to the end of the queue as it is mandatory to be in the list
If your system is so nice and protective why do you lie?
You even tried to upset the other fans in the queue when you asked me if I think they are stupid as they put their names in the list (what did not work out).
And as you have seen, no one had a problem with us standing in the queue without numbers as we all saw us over the whole day, queing up together. They even defended us when they testified we were there the whole day.
I think the list works out fine for the first 50 people and togerther with the role calls all three hours as it was done in Rome that`s fine. But in the morning you have to stop. I saw/heard myself that several people left again for hours due to the list (as in Padova) and came back just when the line was moved. I left myself for some time to get my tickets/ beer/ toilet break but I spoke always with the people around me and informed them. No problem at all. If you leave for some short time, no one has a problem, everybody has to normaly.
Why is queing up working out in all other countries but Italy without a list (except some rare cases)?
Also the majority of the people did not approve what you are doing; it`s that they don`t care or (even worse) they are afraid of what happened if they do not follow the "list" rules (see Padova, see Rome when people had to leave the queue).
I found the behaviour of the people who "organized" the list in Padova and Rome rather aggressive than helpfull.

At last somebody who actually witnessed what happened. See this is what annoys the hell out of me. Telling people that you are doing 10c a favour. And asking others to justify by saying that the people must be stupid NOT to be on a list. Only in Italy this seems to be a problem why is this please tell me. Because I have slept out many gigs all over Europe. I understand . My experience is of one Italian leaving all.day then trying the old I have number 1 on my hand so I can just wonder back in. Same guy twice has done this. It's fucking simple do as this person did
Take your place respect your fellow fan and neighbour . Er tibbia You clearly tried to expel this person from the queue who the hell are you to kick anyone from a queue ?

I do not understand how you can take the accusations of 2 people for real, which came on the day of the concert, and do not believe in the least to those who slept there all night without ever moving. this new person says that at 10:00 in the morning it was 190th ... by heart at 6am we were in more than 170 ... I see it difficult that from 6:00 to 10:00 only 20 people arrived.
I'm sorry that the only memory you have of an Italian is a cunning, I told you that I hate this thing to leave and come back. you ask me if I have removed someone from the queue, yes I did it! with 2 guys who tried to get in and who were starting to fight creating problems. I have not acted absolutely in the name of 10c, I acted in my name in respect of all those who had arrived from the day before and in the night, and always to prevent the situation degenerate creating danger for all (I said, and others can confirm that in Italy private crew security at concerts only takes place in case of a fight)
he was alone

I arrived in Padova at 9.00 o’clock ... there were more the 200 people !! I counted them by myself !!! Er tibbia they simple don’t understand that there’s people in line before them...

Music_5 · July 2018

Malroth said:

Music_5 said:

riley540 said:

When I waited in line, people were fine with Pee and food breaks. Just make friends with everyone around you!

Thank you for saying this, good to know.

Advice is overrated, but I like this in all aspects of life, not just a line.

Agree .

THERE IS NO LIST/NUMBER SYSTEM FOR 10C GA LINES

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