Texas shooting, Our fault.

mattsl1983

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

fife

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

PJ_Soul

eddiec said:

You can't be serious. The only fundamental breakdown is America's obsession with guns and easy access to them.

Yes, though the only real problem is the obsession. The easy access to them is simply a symptom of the obsession. That's why regulation isn't going to actually fix anything (though can help as a kind of bandaid solution - I'm not against regulation). For real change, the obsession has to be cured.... which is basically impossible at this point. Maybe your great great great great great great grandkids will live in an America without a gun fetish.

mcgruff10

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

benjs

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

mcgruff10

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Getting rid of all rifles is a pretty dumb suggestion.  This would be an all out ban   So yeah, no thanks. 
I can’t even imagine hunting a deer with an air rifle lol. 

mace1229

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

josevolution

America land of me me me 1st who cares if other countries have good common sense gun laws , we are lost here nothing can work to save lives just keep researching till the next massacre happens ....

benjs

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

What about the other parts then? You ignored a lot of reasonable suggestions regarding checks and balances prior to owning a weapon.

tbergs

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

What about the other parts then? You ignored a lot of reasonable suggestions regarding checks and balances prior to owning a weapon.

I think those are all great additions. The only change I think it needs is the addition of certain types of rifles for hunting purposes. I think there would also have to be some sort middle ground reached on handgun ownership. Maybe allowing one handgun per person if they pass a more stringent training as well.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

I'd guess that about 0.5% of the population actually wants a complete ban on all guns or even all rifles, specifically because of hunting. That number is just a guess, but from all I've observed and read and heard, I have no reason to think it's higher than that. Also, I am pretty sure not a single person in government has ever suggested such a thing. So what about that worries people? I don't see why it's even worth mentioning.

mcgruff10

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

What about the other parts then? You ignored a lot of reasonable suggestions regarding checks and balances prior to owning a weapon.

I don’t mind the background checks at all but realize you are talking about a lot bigger of a population here in the u.s.  

mcgruff10

Benjs New Jersey has very similar background laws. I have nothing to hide so background the shit out of me. 

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

What about the other parts then? You ignored a lot of reasonable suggestions regarding checks and balances prior to owning a weapon.

I don’t mind the background checks at all but realize you are talking about a lot bigger of a population here in the u.s.  

Is that relevant? Are you saying it's harder to do background checks in the US because there are more people, and therefore more background checks? I don't think that argument works - when there are more people, there are both more background checks to do, but also more people to deal with the background checks.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

What about the other parts then? You ignored a lot of reasonable suggestions regarding checks and balances prior to owning a weapon.

I don’t mind the background checks at all but realize you are talking about a lot bigger of a population here in the u.s.  

Is that relevant? Are you saying it's harder to do background checks in the US because there are more people, and therefore more background checks? I don't think that argument works - when there are more people, there are both more background checks to do, but also more people to deal with the background checks.

I Was just thinking cost wise. But yes, it is harder to do anything with a hell of a lot More people. 

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

What about the other parts then? You ignored a lot of reasonable suggestions regarding checks and balances prior to owning a weapon.

I don’t mind the background checks at all but realize you are talking about a lot bigger of a population here in the u.s.  

Is that relevant? Are you saying it's harder to do background checks in the US because there are more people, and therefore more background checks? I don't think that argument works - when there are more people, there are both more background checks to do, but also more people to deal with the background checks.

I Was just thinking cost wise. But yes, it is harder to do anything with a hell of a lot More people. 

Well same goes with the cost. More people = more money. And don't people pay to get registered anyhow?
I actually totally disagree with your entire statement here. Why do you think that? It's not true at all. In many cases it is actually much easier to things with more people. I think it's much harder to accomplish many things when people are more spread out and when there aren't as many people contributing to things.
In any case, the USA manages to keep track of whole lot of other things, so I don't see why suddenly a gun registry in particular throws up a bunch of complications. The USA is perfectly capable of doing it. This just seems like an excuse to me.

benjs

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

What about the other parts then? You ignored a lot of reasonable suggestions regarding checks and balances prior to owning a weapon.

I don’t mind the background checks at all but realize you are talking about a lot bigger of a population here in the u.s.  

Is that relevant? Are you saying it's harder to do background checks in the US because there are more people, and therefore more background checks? I don't think that argument works - when there are more people, there are both more background checks to do, but also more people to deal with the background checks.

I Was just thinking cost wise. But yes, it is harder to do anything with a hell of a lot More people. 

People on here have proposed full-time security checks at public institutions like high schools. That has the byproduct of increased fear by greater perception of risk amongst children, full-time personnel additions at every school, longer hours to secure the facilities, likely disengagement of students due to longer days for security checks, etc.

People only look at the prospective solutions as holistically as is convenient for them, and no more.

If the government wants to find the funds, they will. That’s an if.

bootlegger10

There wouldn't be a problem if everyone shot as badly as the people on the A-Team back in the day.  They had a gunfight every episode but I don't think anyone ever got hit.

mace1229

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

fife said:

mattsl1983 said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?

What is common sense gun laws?  It sounds really good to say, but what exactly is it?  I’ll stand behind you 100 percent if it’s good, but no one actually defines common sense gun laws.  And as a heads up, have some research behind what it is and what you are saying is common sense gun laws.  As a person speaking to you that believes I the 2nd amendment, I’m also a none gu owner.  I have nothing to win or gain in this debate aside my ideology of the 2nd amendment.  I’ve been wrong before and my world didn’t crash down.  But what is common sense gun laws?

It's hard to take you seriously with a post like this. Go over to the gun violence thread and read up, you might learn something.

In fact, mods should merge this thread with the gun violence thread....this one is redundant. 

I don’t think it is at all redundant.  The other gun thread is 100’s of pages long.  This shooting happened to involve two guns that aren’t even up for debate to be restricted.  But you are the second person to cite common sense gun laws but not explaining what they are.  I’ll meet you on the other post.  I apologize if you find my question and wondering hard to be taken seriously.

here are some common sense laws.

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

the only change I would make is that you would have a mental health check every year.

Yeah this would never fly lol. Air rifles? What am I ten?

This is why this won’t work in America. When a suggestion arises to follow the lead of a country exponentially safer than your own, you ridicule it as though it’s some hilarious joke. I’m currently in Kanazawa and have been touring Japan for nearly two weeks now and you’re right, this will never fly. Concepts of care and concern, empathy, dignity, logic, honour and respect are innate to every person I’ve met here. In America? Not so much.

Your country’s mass murders will continue as will the apathy of those who cling to their right to bear arms. 

Everyone keeps saying "no one wants to ban your guns," and mocks those who think thats what people want.
But that is exactly what your suggestion is. Bans everything except a shotgun. 
Most gun owners are for more gun laws, just not all out gun bans. And why that suggestion won't get any support from any gun owner.

What about the other parts then? You ignored a lot of reasonable suggestions regarding checks and balances prior to owning a weapon.

In theory I’m for the rest of the ideas. I say in their because I’d be curious about the cost and logistics behind all that. I can’t imagine going down to the DMV once a year for a driving test, takes me half a day to just get my driving record, and that’s just a piece of paper that takes 15 seconds to look up. And I think that’s what makes a lot of people cautious, it’s perfectly reasonable to question how smooth and efficient the government would ha for that. And with the cost of healthcare, what’s the cost of yearly mental-health evaluations and who pays for it? I’m assuming the gun owner, but that wouldn’t fly either if they’re $500 a pop.
i would say start with a one-time mental check and safety course, background check for every purchase, 

PJ_Soul

I completely support the gun owners paying for all those expenses. Why wouldn't that fly? I don't see why it shouldn't be expensive. That doesn't violate anyone's rights assuming you're going by how America operates in general. Hell, it wouldn't even be out of the ordinary.