Texas shooting, Our fault.

mattsl1983
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Its been confirmed that a shotgun and a revolver were used.  Is it now time for all of us to agree that there is a fundamental breakdown that we have all all created one way or another verses banning a certain type of gun?  
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  • mattsl1983
    mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    I’ll even elaborate more.  We’ve so focused on banning a certain type of gun, and in that hysteria ignored every othe factor.  But be careful of the double edged sword.  
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    You can't be serious. The only fundamental breakdown is America's obsession with guns and easy access to them.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Right, because fundamental breakdowns across an entire society are super easy to diagnose and fix!  If only we hadn't wasted time talking about the guns that make the killing possible, we would have solved this fundamental breakdown easy peasy!

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mattsl1983 said:
    Its been confirmed that a shotgun and a revolver were used.  Is it now time for all of us to agree that there is a fundamental breakdown that we have all all created one way or another verses banning a certain type of gun?  
    Pertaining to your last six words, I agree that “banning a certain type of gun” on its own is unlikely to have much of an impact. Much more needs to be done, which probably includes significantly limiting access to certain types of guns. 

    I doubt we need another gun thread on AMT, though. This issue is pretty throughly discussed on the threads we have and it would be tedious to repeat it. 

    I wanted to post here an enlightening article from the NYT on reducing gun violence by taking a public health approach. Unfortunately, even though I read it yesterday, I can’t find it today. Royal  wedding coverage has pushed it off the main page....


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  • Meltdown99
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    Hallelujah!  Another gun thread!
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    If this family had one of the weapons many of us want banned laying around, this horrific shooting would have likely been even more horrific.

    If this family had taken precautions and properly stored these weapons that I believe should remain legal, this horrific shooting would have likely not happened at all.

    The fundamental breakdown is with gun ownership and gun culture. There are too many guns in general, many of which are stored carelessly, and they are too easy to access by kids who want whatever this kid wanted. The fundamental breakdown isn't the fault of those of us who want common sense gun control. It is the fault of those who insist on doing nothing.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,120
    mattsl1983 said:
    Its been confirmed that a shotgun and a revolver were used.  Is it now time for all of us to agree that there is a fundamental breakdown that we have all all created one way or another verses banning a certain type of gun?  
    I do agree with you on the left leaning media and anti-gunners constantly and obsessively talking about banning the ar-15 and the now catch phrase "weapons of war".   It's odd how this particular shooting isn't making the facebook rounds like parkland; maybe because of the weapon used?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    mattsl1983 said:
    Its been confirmed that a shotgun and a revolver were used.  Is it now time for all of us to agree that there is a fundamental breakdown that we have all all created one way or another verses banning a certain type of gun?  
    I do agree with you on the left leaning media and anti-gunners constantly and obsessively talking about banning the ar-15 and the now catch phrase "weapons of war".   It's odd how this particular shooting isn't making the facebook rounds like parkland; maybe because of the weapon used?
    It is.  This story is everywhere.
    The narrative is a little different, but it's still all over FB and everywhere else.
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  • kce8
    kce8 Posts: 1,636
    The amount of people who could get killed with a weapon like that is still higher. That's the point.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Why does someone get classified an anti-gunner just because they want common sense gun laws?
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    If not wanting high school kids to be able to walk into a classroom with an assault rifle makes me an "anti gunner" then so be it. You want to own a shotgun? Fine. You feel you need a handgun? OK. Lock them up and treat them like the dangerous weapons that they are. If you can't do that then you are part of the problem.

    The thread title claims this shooting was "our fault." Bullshit. If you've been fighting common sense gun control all these years then this shooting was your fault. Just like the last one and just like the next one.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    What's your point here matts?  To instigate and, as Meltdown said, to lump everyone into two distinct camps?  This kind of thread produces no results other than yet another AMT thread shoot-out.


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    YOU ARE NOT an anti gunner if you want common sense gun laws...

    We in Canada have decent gun laws.  Plenty of people I know still hunt and enjoy and they never complain about such nuisances as trigger locks, proper gun storage...etc.  
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Yeah, but a trigger lock would be a total inconvenience at the shooting range so... Yep, that's considered a valid point in the debate by one side in this fucked up country.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    Let’s legalize dynamite for all since people can just make a pipe bomb if they wanted to blow something.   
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    "Our fault."
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    mattsl1983 said:
    Its been confirmed that a shotgun and a revolver were used.  Is it now time for all of us to agree that there is a fundamental breakdown that we have all all created one way or another verses banning a certain type of gun?  
    Must be thrilled now that you can keep your AR15.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    brianlux said:
    What's your point here matts?  To instigate and, as Meltdown said, to lump everyone into two distinct camps?  This kind of thread produces no results other than yet another AMT thread shoot-out.


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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    If you have an old shitty staircase in front of your house and someone falls through it injuring themselves... you're responsible. And you should be. You're negligent to the public.

    If you have a gun that is used to kill people because you left it accessible to a murderer... you're responsible. Right now you're not. You should be. You're negligent to the public.
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