Knowing What You Know Now, Would You Still Support Trump for President?

Halifax2TheMax

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.

During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.

Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”

When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are, that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect – but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism, courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are American traits. [Emphasis added]

And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]

First, if you've got nothing to hide, proudly share your source (Breitbart). Technically without it, what you did there is plagiarism. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/07/watch-nancy-pelosi-new-immigrants-must-not-have-their-votes-suppressed/

Next, for anyone who wants to watch the original source and gives two shits about context, here's the actual presentation. The soundbite being incorrectly represented as an endorsement for illegal voting occurs roughly 3 minutes from the end of the video, but I recommend starting a few minutes prior to that to understand where Pelosi is coming from. I apologize that this is a Facebook link, I apologize more that it's a Fox News video (though to their credit it's an uninterrupted broadcast of her speech), and I apologize most that anyone who watches will have to ignore the vile comments and shockingly off-base conclusions from Fox News viewers. Disclaimers out of the way, go ahead. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/255374345371894/

Finally, I agree with Pelosi with respect to ensuring votes aren't suppressed, and I feel that 'newcomers' should only include documented newcomers. I also feel pretty confident that she meant the same, and hope she explicitly confirms that to cut out this nonsense being spewed exclusively on right-wing media networks and spread by people who will spread first and validate second such as yourself.

Ultimately, I feel if you think the DNC-controlled Speaker of the House is foolish or anti-progressive enough to endorse undocumented immigrants receiving the right to vote, you're not thinking logically. What strategy would that serve?

EDIT: On the Breitbart link, there's an outright lie just underneath what foodshop quoted:
"The “newcomers” who should be fully able to participate in voting, Pelosi said, include the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and border crossers who arrive at the southern border every year." This was not said at all. 

I figured it was what you stated or Putin on the ritz’s trolling so I googled it as well and came up with the same no basis in reality sources. Still nice to see someone go through the effort you did to discredit the poster. And I’m the sucker? ‘Murica, woot!
 

With respect to 'was it America or someone else', I think (or at least hope) it's both. If you watch some of that Facebook video, it actually shows the comments as they came in as they were live streamed, and I think it's likely that troll farms were posting at least some, possibly many of them. That said, I don't think the presence of a troll farm necessarily limits the nefarious act to Russia, and I suspect while we're all critical of them for that behaviour, I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see it from American lobbies and/or politicians either. 

Regarding the effort - the sad thing was how little investigation it took. If foodshop had had any commitment to finding and sharing truths instead of sharing his preconceived viewpoints (and shaping evidence to fit his narrative), he'd have discovered these same realities in five minutes or less. 

Oh, I’m under no illusions that American or other political actors of smear campaigns do the same but it seems one side has a monopoly on the poisoning of political discourse because they have national media outlets that echo the disinformation, lending it credence. Me thinks the post was deliberate, knowing and purposeful, hence the lack of a link. I can’t imagine the dupes on faceturd but Putin on the ritz can.
 

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.

During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.

Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”

When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are, that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect – but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism, courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are American traits. [Emphasis added]

And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]

First, if you've got nothing to hide, proudly share your source (Breitbart). Technically without it, what you did there is plagiarism. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/07/watch-nancy-pelosi-new-immigrants-must-not-have-their-votes-suppressed/

Next, for anyone who wants to watch the original source and gives two shits about context, here's the actual presentation. The soundbite being incorrectly represented as an endorsement for illegal voting occurs roughly 3 minutes from the end of the video, but I recommend starting a few minutes prior to that to understand where Pelosi is coming from. I apologize that this is a Facebook link, I apologize more that it's a Fox News video (though to their credit it's an uninterrupted broadcast of her speech), and I apologize most that anyone who watches will have to ignore the vile comments and shockingly off-base conclusions from Fox News viewers. Disclaimers out of the way, go ahead. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/255374345371894/

Finally, I agree with Pelosi with respect to ensuring votes aren't suppressed, and I feel that 'newcomers' should only include documented newcomers. I also feel pretty confident that she meant the same, and hope she explicitly confirms that to cut out this nonsense being spewed exclusively on right-wing media networks and spread by people who will spread first and validate second such as yourself.

Ultimately, I feel if you think the DNC-controlled Speaker of the House is foolish or anti-progressive enough to endorse undocumented immigrants receiving the right to vote, you're not thinking logically. What strategy would that serve?

EDIT: On the Breitbart link, there's an outright lie just underneath what foodshop quoted:
"The “newcomers” who should be fully able to participate in voting, Pelosi said, include the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and border crossers who arrive at the southern border every year." This was not said at all. 

I figured it was what you stated or Putin on the ritz’s trolling so I googled it as well and came up with the same no basis in reality sources. Still nice to see someone go through the effort you did to discredit the poster. And I’m the sucker? ‘Murica, woot!
 

With respect to 'was it America or someone else', I think (or at least hope) it's both. If you watch some of that Facebook video, it actually shows the comments as they came in as they were live streamed, and I think it's likely that troll farms were posting at least some, possibly many of them. That said, I don't think the presence of a troll farm necessarily limits the nefarious act to Russia, and I suspect while we're all critical of them for that behaviour, I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see it from American lobbies and/or politicians either. 

Regarding the effort - the sad thing was how little investigation it took. If foodshop had had any commitment to finding and sharing truths instead of sharing his preconceived viewpoints (and shaping evidence to fit his narrative), he'd have discovered these same realities in five minutes or less. 

Oh, I’m under no illusions that American or other political actors of smear campaigns do the same but it seems one side has a monopoly on the poisoning of political discourse because they have national media outlets that echo the disinformation, lending it credence. Me thinks the post was deliberate, knowing and purposeful, hence the lack of a link. I can’t imagine the dupes on faceturd but Putin on the ritz can.
 

Me thinks the same as you, but I haven't personally had back and forths on credibility with this poster yet, so I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. 

Wobbie

the stock market is up!!!!!

foodshop65

josevolution said:

I bet foodshop would has no problem with all European illegals staying here and voting , people act like all immigration is from our southern borders ...

this says it all...no, not big on the bs visa program, not big on seeing my taxes increase every year because someone from anywhere can somehow get heat, housing, food, medical and whatever other goodies that are floating around and yet LA has typhus. do those people count? Seattle, Portland...all blue all taking better care of non-citizens than Americans.

i think i'll bow out and let the smart non-triggered here folks save the world. we have a 50/50 shot at that or a new PJ record!

Halifax2TheMax

Seems the tide may be shifting. Imagine the number of lies told over four years. Just play that Tim Apple tape and Team Trump Treason’s response and ask why, if he lies about this, imagine what else he’s lying about and then ask why he deserves to be re-elected. 

https://apple.news/AVf2cwrtWQ-G8V-CKH_oTVQ

HughFreakingDillon

foodshop65 said:

josevolution said:

I bet foodshop would has no problem with all European illegals staying here and voting , people act like all immigration is from our southern borders ...

this says it all...no, not big on the bs visa program, not big on seeing my taxes increase every year because someone from anywhere can somehow get heat, housing, food, medical and whatever other goodies that are floating around and yet LA has typhus. do those people count? Seattle, Portland...all blue all taking better care of non-citizens than Americans.

i think i'll bow out and let the smart non-triggered here folks save the world. we have a 50/50 shot at that or a new PJ record!

I think the definition of being triggered is being so fearful of the brown folk that you were swindled by the orange man in the white house to believe it. 

foodshop65

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

benjs

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

josevolution

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

lol wtf ok what ever you say/think this mess of a President is yours to own , history will show you were on the wrong side I hope you will have the courage to admit it to your grandchildren that you stood behind a total idiot ..

cincybearcat

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.

canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%

definitly a big difference 

benjs

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.

canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%

definitly a big difference 

cincy, good point. Reading my own link more carefully (I should practice what I preach clearly), that 20% represents immigrants to Canada (i.e. people who are foreign-born), and doesn't consider those born to immigrants in Canada, so my apologies as it clearly doesn't prove what I suggested it did.
I think what might be a better source is looking at our latest census (https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/hlt-fst/imm/Table.cfm?Lang=E&T=31&Geo=01&SO=4D). There, you'll see that less than a third of those polled actually identified as Canadian (11,135,965/34,460,065 = 32.3%).

cincybearcat

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.

canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%

definitly a big difference 

cincy, good point. Reading my own link more carefully (I should practice what I preach clearly), that 20% represents immigrants to Canada (i.e. people who are foreign-born), and doesn't consider those born to immigrants in Canada, so my apologies as it clearly doesn't prove what I suggested it did.
I think what might be a better source is looking at our latest census (https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/hlt-fst/imm/Table.cfm?Lang=E&T=31&Geo=01&SO=4D). There, you'll see that less than a third of those polled actually identified as Canadian (11,135,965/34,460,065 = 32.3%).

Ah, and this is actually a better measure of diversity than simply race...I think anyhow. My numbers were race based. So can’t compared directly.

oftenreading

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.

canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%

definitly a big difference 

cincy, good point. Reading my own link more carefully (I should practice what I preach clearly), that 20% represents immigrants to Canada (i.e. people who are foreign-born), and doesn't consider those born to immigrants in Canada, so my apologies as it clearly doesn't prove what I suggested it did.
I think what might be a better source is looking at our latest census (https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/hlt-fst/imm/Table.cfm?Lang=E&T=31&Geo=01&SO=4D). There, you'll see that less than a third of those polled actually identified as Canadian (11,135,965/34,460,065 = 32.3%).

Ah, and this is actually a better measure of diversity than simply race...I think anyhow. My numbers were race based. So can’t compared directly.

It’s a surprisingly difficult question to answer since the two countries don’t gather stats the same way. The US gathers data on “race”, with categories such as white, black, etc, but Canada doesn’t. 

The best data I've found that tries to interpolate to fill in the gaps suggests that Canada is just a few percentage points more “white” than the US. We have far more people of Asian origin, fewer people of African descent, and quite a few more First Nations. These figures are several years old, though, so may already have changed. 

This website looks at “cultural diversity”, which encompasses more than just skin colour, and looks at language and culture as well, and it suggests that Canada is more diverse than the US. Of course, neither nation is anywhere near the most diverse in the world. 

 http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/18/the-most-and-least-culturally-diverse-countries-in-the-world/

HughFreakingDillon

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

wow. this is one of the most ignorant things I've seen on this board in a while. 

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.

canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%

definitly a big difference 

but I thought the US can't be compared with other countries? 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.

canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%

definitly a big difference 

but I thought the US can't be compared with other countries? 

Not sure where you got that. They can’t be compared in a vacuum that’s for sure. You can’t ignore size and other factors.... unless you think Brian operates his book store the same way amazon does.

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.

canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%

definitly a big difference 

but I thought the US can't be compared with other countries? 

Not sure where you got that. They can’t be compared in a vacuum that’s for sure. You can’t ignore size and other factors.... unless you think Brian operates his book store the same way amazon does.

 

That and a cup of coffee got me off to a good start this morning.

Thanks, Cincy!

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link. 

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're  respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.

Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.

canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%

definitly a big difference 

but I thought the US can't be compared with other countries? 

Not sure where you got that. They can’t be compared in a vacuum that’s for sure. You can’t ignore size and other factors.... unless you think Brian operates his book store the same way amazon does.

just sarcastically tossing that back after it's hit over the net at non-americans so often. 

PJ_Soul

foodshop65 said:

yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game

You obviously know nothing about Canada at all - it's very diverse .... Hmm, let's see. As I sit here and look around my office, I can identify what I know to be 10 white people of Christian decent, 6 Chinese, 1 Malaysian, 2 Sri Lankans, 1 Indian, 1 Jew, 1 Colombian, and 1 Nepalese.

Over 50% of my region is not white. So yeah, when I go to a hockey game there are a TON of brown people (in fact, Indo-Canadians are known as particularly huge hockey fans in this region), along with every other colour of people. Yes, there are other regions in this huge country that are mostly white - that would be the middle part and out in the sticks in general, just like it is in the USA. The difference is simply that the USA has WAY more large cities, which is where visible minorities are in greatest numbers, since those are the best places to go if you're a new non-white immigrant.

Meltdown99

When did they start playing hockey in Vancouver?...hmmmm