Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

brianlux

cblock4life said:

The female body has ways to shut the whole thing down huh?  This shit is truly unfucking (is that one word or two?) believable.  I truly didn’t think there was still a man on earth who doesn’t know how females reproductive systems work.  Perhaps he’s referring to the hanger method because I’ll be damned if I knew how to make my babies go away.  Fucking morons run this country. 

Yes...

cblock4life said:

Bentleyspop said:

cblock4life said:

The female body has ways to shut the whole thing down huh?  This shit is truly unfucking (is that one word or two?) believable.  I truly didn’t think there was still a man on earth who doesn’t know how females reproductive systems work.  Perhaps he’s referring to the hanger method because I’ll be damned if I knew how to make my babies go away.  Fucking morons run this country. 

Don't forget the fucking morons who support and vote for the fucking morons who run this country. Or aspire to run this country.

You’re 100% correct.  

and yes!

Idiot America is on the move.  An absolute disaster at ever turn. 

And now the Supreme Court possibly on the verge of overturning Roe Vs. Wade?  I can't believe the shit that is coming down these days.

josevolution

brianlux said:

cblock4life said:

The female body has ways to shut the whole thing down huh?  This shit is truly unfucking (is that one word or two?) believable.  I truly didn’t think there was still a man on earth who doesn’t know how females reproductive systems work.  Perhaps he’s referring to the hanger method because I’ll be damned if I knew how to make my babies go away.  Fucking morons run this country. 

Yes...

cblock4life said:

Bentleyspop said:

cblock4life said:

The female body has ways to shut the whole thing down huh?  This shit is truly unfucking (is that one word or two?) believable.  I truly didn’t think there was still a man on earth who doesn’t know how females reproductive systems work.  Perhaps he’s referring to the hanger method because I’ll be damned if I knew how to make my babies go away.  Fucking morons run this country. 

Don't forget the fucking morons who support and vote for the fucking morons who run this country. Or aspire to run this country.

You’re 100% correct.  

and yes!

Idiot America is on the move.  An absolute disaster at ever turn. 

And now the Supreme Court possibly on the verge of overturning Roe Vs. Wade?  I can't believe the shit that is coming down these days.

Shithole country! 

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

You now have your number one campaign issue henceforth

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473

Yeah for those jumping into a time machine hot tub to 2016. Hillary made them feel uncomfortable so they didn’t turn out in Obama like numbers, trump won and this is what they got. Probably wouldn’t be overturned while me, and all five Jammers are are are…still alive. Dems would need to win every senate majority and presidential election for next twenty years to overturn while we are alive

Not sure which is the bigger story, the overturn or a leak by SCOTUS.

Lerxst1992

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Bentleyspop said:

And now Oklahoma...

https://twitter.com/NormanNews/status/1511376080527138821?t=vGuIKs6lcw_BPo6zTe1U-A&s=19

They canceled in NC 2016 but are scheduled to play OK this year. The NC bathroom bill impacted under 5% of the population while this one over half.

Head scratcher. More so what were they thinking back then.

They clearly made a knee jerk reaction to the NC issue. Was a very poor decision 

Honestly I feel very uncomfortable about what the red states are doing, to the point they “feel” like second world countries. I understand the frustration of NC fans, if I had tickets I would have been angry. But I also do not want to step foot in states that believe in nasty gun and anti health freedom laws for women. Honestly I don’t know how PJ will feel when they play OK this year.

 When state legislatures tell rape victims to learn to love the child of their attacker with zero choices, how far out of control is red country?

Hey Alex, you’re timing was perfect, although not difficult in the United States of Guns


https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ufcp45/teen_arrested_after_mother_noticed_son_had_gun_at/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Hey Alex, put down the Gibson, this is big news, I’m gonna triple post y’all. If they were so worried about bathrooms in NC, how they gonna like MO and OK this year? Especially with all ‘‘em guns roaming around ‘em. Certainly be all uncomfortable for dem. 

tempo_n_groove

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

jerparker20

tempo_n_groove said:

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

Next: access to contraceptives, gay marriage, interracial marriage, who you can have sex with and how… 

What the leaked opinion comes down to is this: you are not entitled to a right to privacy in America because the right to privacy is not explicitly stated in the constitution.

pjhawks

Stack the court now.  Fucking republicans.  

tbergs

States rights basically brings us back to the civil war if they keep it up. United States my ass. Sounds more like North and South again.

bootlegger10

jerparker20 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

Next: access to contraceptives, gay marriage, interracial marriage, who you can have sex with and how… 

What the leaked opinion comes down to is this: you are not entitled to a right to privacy in America because the right to privacy is not explicitly stated in the constitution.

I'm not a lawyer and admittedly do not know what the legal argument was that supported the 7-2 Roe decision and potentially what will decide this 5-4 decision.   We can hate on each side of the court but ultimately the validity of the legal argument of the majority should be at least sound, and I don't know enough to make that determination in this case.   At the end of the day is this ultimately a failure of the legislature to enact laws that are clear to avoid future challenges that result in a reversal like this?   It is tough to pass legislation in this area though and that puts people in limbo, though, if we have to rely on the legislature.  

mickeyrat

 https://youtu.be/1kfXSTYbkt4

tempo_n_groove

tbergs said:

States rights basically brings us back to the civil war if they keep it up. United States my ass. Sounds more like North and South again.

I get States rights, I do.  If you didn't have them then the Govt would have nailed all these cannabis growers but they haven't.

What I don't get is if you have R vs W and 2A but a state can manipulate them to their benefit.

I guess what I am saying is the constitution is just an interpretation for a state now a days.

tbergs

bootlegger10 said:

jerparker20 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

Next: access to contraceptives, gay marriage, interracial marriage, who you can have sex with and how… 

What the leaked opinion comes down to is this: you are not entitled to a right to privacy in America because the right to privacy is not explicitly stated in the constitution.

I'm not a lawyer and admittedly do not know what the legal argument was that supported the 7-2 Roe decision and potentially what will decide this 5-4 decision.   We can hate on each side of the court but ultimately the validity of the legal argument of the majority should be at least sound, and I don't know enough to make that determination in this case.   At the end of the day is this ultimately a failure of the legislature to enact laws that are clear to avoid future challenges that result in a reversal like this?   It is tough to pass legislation in this area though and that puts people in limbo, though, if we have to rely on the legislature.  

What it comes down to is personal opinion. If the court can interpret 2A to mean what it does in the modern age, I don't know how they can ignore women's rights as it relates to abortion. Also, kicking this back to the states means the women of that state are at the whim of whatever entity is in political power. I can see abortion laws flipping every 4-8 years depending on which side controls the legislature. What a mess that will be.

mickeyrat

  https://apnews.com/article/abortion-health-kentucky-legislature-louisville-808ab2b47630626d79624957a8e84ebc

 

 

Abortion Kentucky Legislature Louisville Planned Parenthood

Federal judge extends ban on new Kentucky abortion law

By DYLAN LOVAN

Yesterday

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — A federal judge in Kentucky has extended a temporary ban on the enforcement of a new state law that effectively ended abortions because the state's two clinics said they can't comply with all its requirements.

U.S. District Judge Rebecca Grady Jennings is giving the clinics more time to explain their objections to the law. Jennings extended a temporary restraining order until May 19, after the existing one expires Thursday. Jennings said, however, some parts of the law not in dispute by the two clinics and state officials would go into effect.

“I think there are pieces of this legislation that can be complied with right now,” Jennings said. The judge is planning an order on those parameters this week.

Lawyers for the clinics, Planned Parenthood and the EMW Women's Surgical Center, were in court Monday to ask for a preliminary injunction on the law, which would be an extended ban.

Attorneys for the clinics went through line-by-line objections to Kentucky's new law during the four-hour hearing in Louisville's federal courthouse. Lawyers with Attorney General Daniel Cameron's office, which is defending the new law, argued throughout the hearing that the clinics need to provide facts on why they can't comply with the law.

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ABORTION

Court that rarely leaks does so now in biggest case in years

Report: Supreme Court draft suggests Roe could be overturned

Federal judge extends ban on new Kentucky abortion law

Connecticut Senate OKs bill that protects abortion providers

“We maintain that there is no reason this law should be stopped from taking effect,” Cameron said in a prepared statement Monday.

Lawyers for the clinics argued the law is complicated and the state has not yet set up the guidelines for them to comply with.

“We are hopeful the judge will take into consideration the arguments made today and prevent the state from enforcing these impossible requirements on abortion providers in the state of Kentucky,” Julie Murray, a lawyer for Planned Parenthood, said after the hearing.

Kentucky's Republican-led legislature passed the new law in March and then overrode Democratic Gov. Andy Beshear’s veto of the measure in April. Both of the clinics resumed abortion services after Jennings temporarily halted the law last month.

The new law bans abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy and requires women to be examined by a doctor before receiving abortion pills. It contains new restrictions and reporting requirements, and enforcement of that compliance with stiff fines, felony penalties and revocation of physician and facility licenses.

OnWis97

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

You now have your number one campaign issue henceforth

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473

What's next Brown v. Board of education?...Things are about to get interesting.

States' rights, baby. That's the first thing I thought of.

That said, while I'm pro-choice, I've always felt like R v W was a bit strange...I don't know it backwards and forwards, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the key issue there was "privacy." I never quite grasped how that was a SCOTUS issue.

Anyway, what comes now should be interesting. Most Americans are pro-choice. But not fervently so. I don't think the outrage will be too large. Once some of the red states start getting draconian in their punishments of patients, doctors, facilitators, etc., that's when things might get interesting. Of course, by then, we might have only one party of signficance. 

Halifax2TheMax

OnWis97 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

You now have your number one campaign issue henceforth

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473

What's next Brown v. Board of education?...Things are about to get interesting.

States' rights, baby. That's the first thing I thought of.

That said, while I'm pro-choice, I've always felt like R v W was a bit strange...I don't know it backwards and forwards, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the key issue there was "privacy." I never quite grasped how that was a SCOTUS issue.

Anyway, what comes now should be interesting. Most Americans are pro-choice. But not fervently so. I don't think the outrage will be too large. Once some of the red states start getting draconian in their punishments of patients, doctors, facilitators, etc., that's when things might get interesting. Of course, by then, we might have only one party of signficance. 

Never mind the dead women.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

Same sex marriage

Inter racial marriage
Griswold V Connecticut

You name it. 

"The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation's history and traditions." is what Alito wrote. 

This logic could just as easily be applied to the civil rights and / or woman’s suffrage movement and any other progressive movement of the last 100 years. 

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

Same sex marriage

Inter racial marriage
Griswold V Connecticut

You name it. 

"The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation's history and traditions." is what Alito wrote. 

This logic could just as easily be applied to the civil rights and / or woman’s suffrage movement and any other progressive movement of the last 100 years. 

I really, really hope that the other things mentioned start happening but I very well can see the pendulum swinging back to conservatism.  You do have half a country that doesn't agree w each other...

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

Same sex marriage

Inter racial marriage
Griswold V Connecticut

You name it. 

"The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation's history and traditions." is what Alito wrote. 

This logic could just as easily be applied to the civil rights and / or woman’s suffrage movement and any other progressive movement of the last 100 years. 

I really, really hope that the other things mentioned start happening but I very well can see the pendulum swinging back to conservatism.  You do have half a country that doesn't agree w each other...

As far as half the country not agreeing with each other, I'm pretty sure that's not the case w/ the right to choose. 

As I understand it, 70% of Americans support the right to choose, and only 28% oppose. That's a pretty glaring gap. 

brianlux

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

Same sex marriage

Inter racial marriage
Griswold V Connecticut

You name it. 

"The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation's history and traditions." is what Alito wrote. 

This logic could just as easily be applied to the civil rights and / or woman’s suffrage movement and any other progressive movement of the last 100 years. 

I really, really hope that the other things mentioned start happening but I very well can see the pendulum swinging back to conservatism.  You do have half a country that doesn't agree w each other...

As far as half the country not agreeing with each other, I'm pretty sure that's not the case w/ the right to choose. 

As I understand it, 70% of Americans support the right to choose, and only 28% oppose. That's a pretty glaring gap. 

I've read varying statistics but the percentage is definitely in the majority for right to choose.  But our Supreme Court is about to tell us, "fuck your rights".  Welcome to the new Authoritarian America. 

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I am just hearing about the SCOTUS leak.

So when all of these Justices were at their hearings and said that R vs W was sanctimony and not to be messed with we were all lied to?

What else do they have cooking in the works?

Same sex marriage

Inter racial marriage
Griswold V Connecticut

You name it. 

"The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation's history and traditions." is what Alito wrote. 

This logic could just as easily be applied to the civil rights and / or woman’s suffrage movement and any other progressive movement of the last 100 years. 

I really, really hope that the other things mentioned start happening but I very well can see the pendulum swinging back to conservatism.  You do have half a country that doesn't agree w each other...

As far as half the country not agreeing with each other, I'm pretty sure that's not the case w/ the right to choose. 

As I understand it, 70% of Americans support the right to choose, and only 28% oppose. That's a pretty glaring gap. 

"not" should be in there...

No way there are that many people for it and this becomes a thing.

I see half the country as conservative and they usually, not always lean that way w abortion.