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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Their first Amendment rights end where the rights of others suffer.

    Remember the whole can't yell fire in a theatre thing?
    so shouldn't that apply to 2A as well?
    They should, and they do.  People that exercise their  2nd Amendment rights neglectfully should be held accountable for doing so.
    I believe I have seen unsung disagree with that. 
    Yeah, explain in detail please.  I don't condone aggression upon anyone except in defense.
    have you not stated previously that your right to carry trumps another's right to life/safety?
    Now you are talking about two different things.  I, not speaking for unsung, would say that my *individual* right to carry has no relevance to another’s right to life/safety.  Now, if I *individually exercise that right in a neglectful manner that results in someone else’s safety or life being at risk, then I should be held accountable in the same way that a person yelling “fire” in a movie theater would be held responsible for any injuries that neglectful behavior resulted in.  There was a recent story about an FBI agent causing a firearm to discharge while he was doing a flip...now he is being held accountable for the negligence, which is exactly what should happen.  I would be fine with amping up the legal ramifications of said actions if that would deter negligence.

    k, my original response to you was incorrect. you misunderstood my point and then I misunderstood your response. 

    i wasn't speaking originally of people being neglectful of their firearms. Just stating very simply I believe he has stated in the past that his right to carry an AR-15 (or similar) trumps everyone else's right not to be killed by one. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Their first Amendment rights end where the rights of others suffer.

    Remember the whole can't yell fire in a theatre thing?
    so shouldn't that apply to 2A as well?
    They should, and they do.  People that exercise their  2nd Amendment rights neglectfully should be held accountable for doing so.
    I believe I have seen unsung disagree with that. 
    Yeah, explain in detail please.  I don't condone aggression upon anyone except in defense.
    have you not stated previously that your right to carry trumps another's right to life/safety?
    Now you are talking about two different things.  I, not speaking for unsung, would say that my *individual* right to carry has no relevance to another’s right to life/safety.  Now, if I *individually exercise that right in a neglectful manner that results in someone else’s safety or life being at risk, then I should be held accountable in the same way that a person yelling “fire” in a movie theater would be held responsible for any injuries that neglectful behavior resulted in.  There was a recent story about an FBI agent causing a firearm to discharge while he was doing a flip...now he is being held accountable for the negligence, which is exactly what should happen.  I would be fine with amping up the legal ramifications of said actions if that would deter negligence.

    k, my original response to you was incorrect. you misunderstood my point and then I misunderstood your response. 

    i wasn't speaking originally of people being neglectful of their firearms. Just stating very simply I believe he has stated in the past that his right to carry an AR-15 (or similar) trumps everyone else's right not to be killed by one. 
    Oh, I see.  I think that is just a silly argument either way and was probably one of those viral meme quotes.  I do not think rights “Trump” each other, but are in addition to each other.  I have the right to own a firearm, but do not have the right to murder someone with it.  

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Their first Amendment rights end where the rights of others suffer.

    Remember the whole can't yell fire in a theatre thing?
    so shouldn't that apply to 2A as well?
    They should, and they do.  People that exercise their  2nd Amendment rights neglectfully should be held accountable for doing so.
    I believe I have seen unsung disagree with that. 
    Yeah, explain in detail please.  I don't condone aggression upon anyone except in defense.
    have you not stated previously that your right to carry trumps another's right to life/safety?
    Now you are talking about two different things.  I, not speaking for unsung, would say that my *individual* right to carry has no relevance to another’s right to life/safety.  Now, if I *individually exercise that right in a neglectful manner that results in someone else’s safety or life being at risk, then I should be held accountable in the same way that a person yelling “fire” in a movie theater would be held responsible for any injuries that neglectful behavior resulted in.  There was a recent story about an FBI agent causing a firearm to discharge while he was doing a flip...now he is being held accountable for the negligence, which is exactly what should happen.  I would be fine with amping up the legal ramifications of said actions if that would deter negligence.

    k, my original response to you was incorrect. you misunderstood my point and then I misunderstood your response. 

    i wasn't speaking originally of people being neglectful of their firearms. Just stating very simply I believe he has stated in the past that his right to carry an AR-15 (or similar) trumps everyone else's right not to be killed by one. 
    I don't know a single gun owner that believes being neglectful is acceptable.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    unsung said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Their first Amendment rights end where the rights of others suffer.

    Remember the whole can't yell fire in a theatre thing?
    so shouldn't that apply to 2A as well?
    They should, and they do.  People that exercise their  2nd Amendment rights neglectfully should be held accountable for doing so.
    I believe I have seen unsung disagree with that. 
    Yeah, explain in detail please.  I don't condone aggression upon anyone except in defense.
    have you not stated previously that your right to carry trumps another's right to life/safety?
    Now you are talking about two different things.  I, not speaking for unsung, would say that my *individual* right to carry has no relevance to another’s right to life/safety.  Now, if I *individually exercise that right in a neglectful manner that results in someone else’s safety or life being at risk, then I should be held accountable in the same way that a person yelling “fire” in a movie theater would be held responsible for any injuries that neglectful behavior resulted in.  There was a recent story about an FBI agent causing a firearm to discharge while he was doing a flip...now he is being held accountable for the negligence, which is exactly what should happen.  I would be fine with amping up the legal ramifications of said actions if that would deter negligence.

    k, my original response to you was incorrect. you misunderstood my point and then I misunderstood your response. 

    i wasn't speaking originally of people being neglectful of their firearms. Just stating very simply I believe he has stated in the past that his right to carry an AR-15 (or similar) trumps everyone else's right not to be killed by one. 
    I don't know a single gun owner that believes being neglectful is acceptable.
    again, that's not what I was talking about. read again. 
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Same answer.

    If I carry an AR it doesn't take anyone else's right away.  If they attack me I would use it if forced to in order to defend myself.  I didn't take away their right to live, they gave it up when they aggressed against me.

    The mere act of carrying a gun does not take away anyone else's right to live.
  • unsung
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    Who here is supporting or condemning Maxine Waters?

    Speak up.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    unsung said:
    Same answer.

    If I carry an AR it doesn't take anyone else's right away.  If they attack me I would use it if forced to in order to defend myself.  I didn't take away their right to live, they gave it up when they aggressed against me.

    The mere act of carrying a gun does not take away anyone else's right to live.
    not the act specifically. the right. I believe you have stated your right to carry it (AKA: that style of weapon being legal to carry) is more important than saving lives by making it illegal to have the option of carrying it. 

    correct or no?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Yes.  

    Because it won't save lives.

    Let's make murder illegal first.  That would mean nobody would murder, right?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    unsung said:
    Yes.  

    Because it won't save lives.

    Let's make murder illegal first.  That would mean nobody would murder, right?
    oh jesus. not this again. 

    (mass murderers) - (weapon of choice for maximum casualties) = x

    please solve for x. I'll give you a hint: it's not zero. 
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    unsung said:
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
    so let's give people whatever tools they want to commit murder!

    free market murder I say! 
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Nobody is giving anyone anything.  Firearms are subject to background checks.  


  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    unsung said:
    Nobody is giving anyone anything.  Firearms are subject to background checks.  


    yes, and those work so well with the current laws in place. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,130
    unsung said:
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
    This Reminds me of a gun control measure that New Jersey passed the other day; they banned armor piercing ammunition that was already banned under federal law.  So now they made it even illegaler.  I bet they felt real good after signing it.  Idiots.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
    Is this when you propose outlawing abortion so that everyone will “value” life?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
    This Reminds me of a gun control measure that New Jersey passed the other day; they banned armor piercing ammunition that was already banned under federal law.  So now they made it even illegaler.  I bet they felt real good after signing it.  Idiots.
    no, they made it illegal at the state level in case the federal law gets changed. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
    This Reminds me of a gun control measure that New Jersey passed the other day; they banned armor piercing ammunition that was already banned under federal law.  So now they made it even illegaler.  I bet they felt real good after signing it.  Idiots.
    no, they made it illegal at the state level in case the federal law gets changed. 
    I’m sure the NRA is lobbying for the repeal of legislation that bans or restricts armor piercing ammunition.
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  • mcgruff10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
    This Reminds me of a gun control measure that New Jersey passed the other day; they banned armor piercing ammunition that was already banned under federal law.  So now they made it even illegaler.  I bet they felt real good after signing it.  Idiots.
    no, they made it illegal at the state level in case the federal law gets changed. 
    I’m sure the NRA is lobbying for the repeal of legislation that bans or restricts armor piercing ammunition.
    I don't believe so. I think I got my monthly magazine from them today, I'll go see if there is an article about this.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • unsung
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    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
    This Reminds me of a gun control measure that New Jersey passed the other day; they banned armor piercing ammunition that was already banned under federal law.  So now they made it even illegaler.  I bet they felt real good after signing it.  Idiots.
    Illinois wants to licence people that sell firearms, even though the sellers are already fedrally licensed.

    They did leave an exemption for big box stores though, so it isn't really about safety, only the mom and pop shops suffer.
  • unsung
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    It really is simple.  Murder is illegal.  I know let's make it illegaler!  That'll solve it.

    Or maybe teach people to value life.
    Is this when you propose outlawing abortion so that everyone will “value” life?
    I can't tell you or anyone else how to value it.  That is your call and you get to deal with the results.

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