The thing about the ballparks - particularly Fenway and Wrigley - is that they are in demand. A lot of bands want those paydays and there are only so many slots in the MLB calendar for concerts. Pearl Jam can't just decide to play these places every year or every other year. The venues need to want them over whoever else.
In Wrigley’s case, they do want them over anyone else. Ed is tight with the whole organization. I suspect he gets first dibs.
That those DJ's were so certain did make me wonder if the band and Wrigley signed a multiyear agreement. 2016, 2018, 2020...something like that. Big paydays that are already planned for next year might add a little more sense to the decision not to play at all this year.
I went to one of the Fenway shows in 2016. It was fun. Anymore baseball stadium shows at this point are the band milking fans for money by playing places with terrible sight lines and sound so they can cram in another 20000. These amphitheaters were built for a reason.
The thing about the ballparks - particularly Fenway and Wrigley - is that they are in demand. A lot of bands want those paydays and there are only so many slots in the MLB calendar for concerts. Pearl Jam can't just decide to play these places every year or every other year. The venues need to want them over whoever else.
Fair points, but few factors to coinsider: Theo, Existing Red Sox relationship, and 5 of the top 10 fastest sellouts in Wrigley history. I think PJ has 1st right of refusal every year for Chicago and Boston
The thing about the ballparks - particularly Fenway and Wrigley - is that they are in demand. A lot of bands want those paydays and there are only so many slots in the MLB calendar for concerts. Pearl Jam can't just decide to play these places every year or every other year. The venues need to want them over whoever else.
Fair points, but few factors to coinsider: Theo, Existing Red Sox relationship, and 5 of the top 10 fastest sellouts in Wrigley history. I think PJ has 1st right of refusal every year for Chicago and Boston
I went to one of the Fenway shows in 2016. It was fun. Anymore baseball stadium shows at this point are the band milking fans for money by playing places with terrible sight lines and sound so they can cram in another 20000. These amphitheaters were built for a reason.
Sitelines can definitely be an issue. I was at Fenway night 2 in 2016, it was as good as I have heard pearl jams sound, night 2 in 2018 did sound a little wonky and washed out, 2016 I was A5(?) and 2018 was B7(?) further off to the left on the infield. Sound can bounce funny in spots. Some venues sound great, others acoustics are just awful. Fenway's to me were really good, but I can see where it can be a struggle.
all the people wanting no more ballpark shows are forgetting how hard it can be to get tickets for this band in smaller venues. believe me, I don't want ballpark shows either, but if it's the only way I get to see them, so be it.
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all the people wanting no more ballpark shows are forgetting how hard it can be to get tickets for this band in smaller venues. believe me, I don't want ballpark shows either, but if it's the only way I get to see them, so be it.
I would rather just not see them. Not enough upside.
...unless it’s Comerica.
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Just be nice if they did ball parks in other areas of the country. Do something different. Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore, Atlanta.
Camden Yards might be nice but random ballparks around the country is when the ballpark thing would jump the shark for me.
Besides Wrigley, Fenway, Yankee Stadium and maybe Philly and LA, do you really think this band could fill out stadiums in other MLB cities? I know we in the 10 Club are nuts and willing to travel to multiple shows, but a stadium would hold 40-60,000 fans versus an arena or amphitheater that is closer to 20k. If they only played a handful of gigs this year? Yes, those would sell out stadiums. But playing 20 shows in North America...fans can be more selective with traveling, and I don't see 40,000 in Cleveland and then in Pittsburgh a few days later.
all the people wanting no more ballpark shows are forgetting how hard it can be to get tickets for this band in smaller venues. believe me, I don't want ballpark shows either, but if it's the only way I get to see them, so be it.
I would rather just not see them. Not enough upside.
...unless it’s Comerica.
if they played IG Field here in Winnipeg (capacity without field seats is 33K), I'd go. I saw U2 at our old stadium and it was good.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Just be nice if they did ball parks in other areas of the country. Do something different. Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore, Atlanta.
Camden Yards might be nice but random ballparks around the country is when the ballpark thing would jump the shark for me.
Besides Wrigley, Fenway, Yankee Stadium and maybe Philly and LA, do you really think this band could fill out stadiums in other MLB cities? I know we in the 10 Club are nuts and willing to travel to multiple shows, but a stadium would hold 40-60,000 fans versus an arena or amphitheater that is closer to 20k. If they only played a handful of gigs this year? Yes, those would sell out stadiums. But playing 20 shows in North America...fans can be more selective with traveling, and I don't see 40,000 in Cleveland and then in Pittsburgh a few days later.
Me either. California only having 2 ballpark shows would probably sellout. Rogers Centre in Toronto may sell out both nights if there are no shows close by though that is not a sure thing. It would still sell a ton though.
Just be nice if they did ball parks in other areas of the country. Do something different. Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore, Atlanta.
Camden Yards might be nice but random ballparks around the country is when the ballpark thing would jump the shark for me.
Besides Wrigley, Fenway, Yankee Stadium and maybe Philly and LA, do you really think this band could fill out stadiums in other MLB cities? I know we in the 10 Club are nuts and willing to travel to multiple shows, but a stadium would hold 40-60,000 fans versus an arena or amphitheater that is closer to 20k. If they only played a handful of gigs this year? Yes, those would sell out stadiums. But playing 20 shows in North America...fans can be more selective with traveling, and I don't see 40,000 in Cleveland and then in Pittsburgh a few days later.
all the people wanting no more ballpark shows are forgetting how hard it can be to get tickets for this band in smaller venues. believe me, I don't want ballpark shows either, but if it's the only way I get to see them, so be it.
100% agree.
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Just be nice if they did ball parks in other areas of the country. Do something different. Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore, Atlanta.
Camden Yards might be nice but random ballparks around the country is when the ballpark thing would jump the shark for me.
Besides Wrigley, Fenway, Yankee Stadium and maybe Philly and LA, do you really think this band could fill out stadiums in other MLB cities? I know we in the 10 Club are nuts and willing to travel to multiple shows, but a stadium would hold 40-60,000 fans versus an arena or amphitheater that is closer to 20k. If they only played a handful of gigs this year? Yes, those would sell out stadiums. But playing 20 shows in North America...fans can be more selective with traveling, and I don't see 40,000 in Cleveland and then in Pittsburgh a few days later.
Yes. did you see Green Day's tour they just announced? any of those cities you don't think PJ sells? maybe Texas but even that I think they would do ok.
I went to one of the Fenway shows in 2016. It was fun. Anymore baseball stadium shows at this point are the band milking fans for money by playing places with terrible sight lines and sound so they can cram in another 20000. These amphitheaters were built for a reason.
I agree with this, the Fenway show was fun for me, but sight and sound do not come close to an indoor arena experience.
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Just be nice if they did ball parks in other areas of the country. Do something different. Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore, Atlanta.
Camden Yards might be nice but random ballparks around the country is when the ballpark thing would jump the shark for me.
Besides Wrigley, Fenway, Yankee Stadium and maybe Philly and LA, do you really think this band could fill out stadiums in other MLB cities? I know we in the 10 Club are nuts and willing to travel to multiple shows, but a stadium would hold 40-60,000 fans versus an arena or amphitheater that is closer to 20k. If they only played a handful of gigs this year? Yes, those would sell out stadiums. But playing 20 shows in North America...fans can be more selective with traveling, and I don't see 40,000 in Cleveland and then in Pittsburgh a few days later.
I doubt they would play Cleveland and Pittsburgh, it would be one or the other. Similar, I don't think they would play Baltimore and Philly, one or the other. I think it would be pretty spread out. Atlanta might be the only show in southeast. Miami only Florida show. Texas may get two, But I could see it only being Houston. Etc.
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Dimi -- should we be spending all this time debating ballpark shows vs arena shows?
have your fun guys..i dont post anything..not giving to alternativenation something to use by quote me from here again the only thing i have to say about the whole,be happy to what u get when u get it...be thankfull the band is still playing shows.. australia wait 6 years now,asia 16years,south africa never saw them live ..etc..if they tour in your country,state or u can travel,go see the show.. shows to whatever venue,is better than no shows at all.
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Dimi -- should we be spending all this time debating ballpark shows vs arena shows?
have your fun guys..i dont post anything..not giving to alternativenation something to use by quote me from here again the only thing i have to say about the whole,be happy to what u get when u get it...be thankfull the band is still playing shows.. australia wait 6 years now,asia 16years,south africa never saw them live ..etc..if they tour in your country,state or u can travel,go see the show.. shows to whatever venue,is better than no shows at all.
People used to seriously argue on here that Pearl Jam couldn't sell out Fenway. A tour like Green Day and Weezer just announced might prove challenging, but Green Day and Weezer are likely to find that out, too.
People used to seriously argue on here that Pearl Jam couldn't sell out Fenway. A tour like Green Day and Weezer just announced might prove challenging, but Green Day and Weezer are likely to find that out, too.
It seems like promoters have started going to one venue bigger for bands than they used to. Not just arena/stadium bands, but younger bands I thought should play a theater go ballroom. Billie Eilish sold out 2 nights at the Aragon this year (I would've expected her to play a theater) so they moved her to one show at United Center. Crazy.
Come on @dimitrispearljam, don't go dark on us because of that ****er :(
to me, ballpark shows =/= no shows at all. If there is one driving distance and on an optimal date (which i doubt will happen), I might go. Its not worth precious vacation resources and money.
I understand the economic$ behind it and the band's apparent lack of desire to schedule a lot of dates and travel. But it is just not for me. I get like 20% of the typical enjoyment out of these ballpark shows and I end up getting stressed out more (crowds, lines, etc). Im sure the shows will probably do fine without me and others who have ballpark fatigue... but in my opinion, if this is the norm, it is a poor chapter in this band's history/legacy.
I also have never been shut out of a PJ show, whether it is 10c sale, public sale, fellow fans, or secondary market. 10c tix are easier to obtain for ballpark shows, but I would take 95% of public sale tickets for an arena show over a great number of 10c tickets for these ballpark shows.
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Fair points, but few factors to coinsider: Theo, Existing Red Sox relationship, and 5 of the top 10 fastest sellouts in Wrigley history. I think PJ has 1st right of refusal every year for Chicago and Boston
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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...unless it’s Comerica.
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
that being said yes bring them back indoors.
September 29, 1996, Downing Stadium, Randall's Island, New York
June 14, 1998 Tibetan Freedom Concert, RFK Stadium, Washington, D.C.
August 28, 1998, Camden, New Jersey; Blockbuster Music Ent. Center
August 29, 1998, Camden, New Jersey; Blockbuster Music Ent. Center
September 1, 2000, E-Centre; Camden, NJ
September 2, 2000, E-Centre; Camden, NJ
April 28, 2003 - First Union Spectrum Arena; Philadelphia, PA
May 3, 2003 - Bryce-Jordan Center; State College, PA
June 29, 2003 - Bell Center; Montreal, Que., Canada
July 5, 2003 - Tweeter Center; Camden, New Jersey
October 1, 2004 - Vote for Change Tour, Sovereign Center; Reading, PA
2006-05-28 Camden New Jersey Tweeter Center at the Waterfront
Oct 03, 2005 Wachovia Center Philadelphia, PA
Oct 27, 2009 Wachovia Spectrum Arena Philadelphia, PA
September 2, 2012 MADE IN AMERICA FESTIVAL Philadelphia, PA
the only thing i have to say about the whole,be happy to what u get when u get it...be thankfull the band is still playing shows..
australia wait 6 years now,asia 16years,south africa never saw them live ..etc..if they tour in your country,state or u can travel,go see the show..
shows to whatever venue,is better than no shows at all.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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I understand the economic$ behind it and the band's apparent lack of desire to schedule a lot of dates and travel. But it is just not for me. I get like 20% of the typical enjoyment out of these ballpark shows and I end up getting stressed out more (crowds, lines, etc). Im sure the shows will probably do fine without me and others who have ballpark fatigue... but in my opinion, if this is the norm, it is a poor chapter in this band's history/legacy.
I also have never been shut out of a PJ show, whether it is 10c sale, public sale, fellow fans, or secondary market. 10c tix are easier to obtain for ballpark shows, but I would take 95% of public sale tickets for an arena show over a great number of 10c tickets for these ballpark shows.