So no holiday single at all in 2017.

FR181798

To be honest Im not interested in blame, I think everyone would just liked some better communication. They provide a newsletter but any updates on these matters is vague to say the least.

pjfan98

Perhaps. But I have heard Jeff say they are involved in all the fan club stuff. They always have the pulse of what is going on and especially are aware of what is posted here. I hope they are listening this time too

on2legs

FR181798 said:

To be honest Im not interested in blame, I think everyone would just liked some better communication. They provide a newsletter but any updates on these matters is vague to say the least.

Ok... I was just responding to your post where you asked who was to blame. 

mcgruff10

I am a digital member so I have no horse in this race but if you are analog member and are paying $40 a year with the promise of an annual vinyl and deep magazine then pearl jam should come through with this promise no questions asked.  Yes it is not the end of the world but people are paying $40 a year with the expectation of getting an annual single.  Since one was not delivered in 2016 maybe ten club could send out a free download code for a bootleg or some sort of credit to buy something in the shop to make things right.

FR181798

I think as someone else mentioned, 10c always deliver in the end. Far from ideal though. I've had quite good service by email recently in regards to changing orders, questions etc. and although I don't like the design of the 2017 t shirt. It came in less than two weeks which was impressive.

prl

Get_Right said:

Yep it is the band that moves at a snails pace. I guess I simply think they have earned that right. And in 2016 we got shows and no single. In 2017 we got no shows and a single. I will take 2016 every time no matter what is listed in the fan club benefits.

When will everyone understand that it's not a matter of "being ok" with it? You're fine with paying for something and not getting it? Great! I'm not, I have to work hard for my money. Also, it's not a matter of preferring singles or shows. And I'm sorry, but the band did not earn the right to just not deliver what they are charging for. It's really annoying that so many people here just prefer to shrug their shoulders and say "whatever, this band is the best band ever!!!". I guess that it's for those people that the 10C is working now. 

mcgruff10 said:

I am a digital member so I have no horse in this race

You do have a horse in this race. As a digital member you're entitled to a digital version of the Deep magazine and the Ten Club Single every year and you didn't get that. The difference for the analog membership is that with the analog membership you'll also get physical copies of those (plus the usual ugly t-shirt). 

on2legs

prl said:

Get_Right said:

Yep it is the band that moves at a snails pace. I guess I simply think they have earned that right. And in 2016 we got shows and no single. In 2017 we got no shows and a single. I will take 2016 every time no matter what is listed in the fan club benefits.

When will everyone understand that it's not a matter of "being ok" with it? You're fine with paying for something and not getting it? Great! I'm not, I have to work hard for my money. Also, it's not a matter of preferring singles or shows. And I'm sorry, but the band did not earn the right to just not deliver what they are charging for. It's really annoying that so many people here just prefer to shrug their shoulders and say "whatever, this band is the best band ever!!!". I guess that it's for those people that the 10C is working now. 

mcgruff10 said:

I am a digital member so I have no horse in this race

You do have a horse in this race. As a digital member you're entitled to a digital version of the Deep magazine and the Ten Club Single every year and you didn't get that. The difference for the analog membership is that with the analog membership you'll also get physical copies of those (plus the usual ugly t-shirt). 

While I agree with you in theory, I just dont agree with the outrage.  Maybe I’m reading into your post, but it comes across as really hostile.  I’m happy the band brings it every night on tour and never mails it in. If they are slackers when it comes to delivering the annual single I can live with it. 

elvistheking44

Said it many times....it’s the fact fees went up for the reason of making a better ticket system after the “sabatoge” day’s people should be bitching about.  They replaced the old system with ping pong balls.

lolobugg

elvistheking44 said:

Said it many times....it’s the fact fees went up for the reason of making a better ticket system after the “sabatoge” day’s people should be bitching about.  They replaced the old system with ping pong balls.

ping pong balls trading higher on the futures market since then.

gonna need that extra $20 a year.

2-feign-reluctance

lolobugg said:

elvistheking44 said:

Said it many times....it’s the fact fees went up for the reason of making a better ticket system after the “sabatoge” day’s people should be bitching about.  They replaced the old system with ping pong balls.

ping pong balls trading higher on the futures market since then.

gonna need that extra $20 a year.

cottagesteeze

on2legs said:

prl said:

Get_Right said:

Yep it is the band that moves at a snails pace. I guess I simply think they have earned that right. And in 2016 we got shows and no single. In 2017 we got no shows and a single. I will take 2016 every time no matter what is listed in the fan club benefits.

When will everyone understand that it's not a matter of "being ok" with it? You're fine with paying for something and not getting it? Great! I'm not, I have to work hard for my money. Also, it's not a matter of preferring singles or shows. And I'm sorry, but the band did not earn the right to just not deliver what they are charging for. It's really annoying that so many people here just prefer to shrug their shoulders and say "whatever, this band is the best band ever!!!". I guess that it's for those people that the 10C is working now. 

mcgruff10 said:

I am a digital member so I have no horse in this race

You do have a horse in this race. As a digital member you're entitled to a digital version of the Deep magazine and the Ten Club Single every year and you didn't get that. The difference for the analog membership is that with the analog membership you'll also get physical copies of those (plus the usual ugly t-shirt). 

While I agree with you in theory, I just dont agree with the outrage.  Maybe I’m reading into your post, but it comes across as really hostile.  I’m happy the band brings it every night on tour and never mails it in. If they are slackers when it comes to delivering the annual single I can live with it. 

If you gave your friend $40.00 to buy you something, and they never delivered, would you want your money back? I don't consider that outrage.

dancinacrossthewater

If y’all are looking for some cool 10”es to grab you could do worse than this
 

on2legs

cottagesteeze said:

on2legs said:

prl said:

Get_Right said:

Yep it is the band that moves at a snails pace. I guess I simply think they have earned that right. And in 2016 we got shows and no single. In 2017 we got no shows and a single. I will take 2016 every time no matter what is listed in the fan club benefits.

When will everyone understand that it's not a matter of "being ok" with it? You're fine with paying for something and not getting it? Great! I'm not, I have to work hard for my money. Also, it's not a matter of preferring singles or shows. And I'm sorry, but the band did not earn the right to just not deliver what they are charging for. It's really annoying that so many people here just prefer to shrug their shoulders and say "whatever, this band is the best band ever!!!". I guess that it's for those people that the 10C is working now. 

mcgruff10 said:

I am a digital member so I have no horse in this race

You do have a horse in this race. As a digital member you're entitled to a digital version of the Deep magazine and the Ten Club Single every year and you didn't get that. The difference for the analog membership is that with the analog membership you'll also get physical copies of those (plus the usual ugly t-shirt). 

While I agree with you in theory, I just dont agree with the outrage.  Maybe I’m reading into your post, but it comes across as really hostile.  I’m happy the band brings it every night on tour and never mails it in. If they are slackers when it comes to delivering the annual single I can live with it. 

If you gave your friend $40.00 to buy you something, and they never delivered, would you want your money back? I don't consider that outrage.

Eh... not an exact analogy.   If you’re really that wounded about it I would write them an email and request a refund. 

cottagesteeze

on2legs said:

cottagesteeze said:

on2legs said:

prl said:

Get_Right said:

Yep it is the band that moves at a snails pace. I guess I simply think they have earned that right. And in 2016 we got shows and no single. In 2017 we got no shows and a single. I will take 2016 every time no matter what is listed in the fan club benefits.

When will everyone understand that it's not a matter of "being ok" with it? You're fine with paying for something and not getting it? Great! I'm not, I have to work hard for my money. Also, it's not a matter of preferring singles or shows. And I'm sorry, but the band did not earn the right to just not deliver what they are charging for. It's really annoying that so many people here just prefer to shrug their shoulders and say "whatever, this band is the best band ever!!!". I guess that it's for those people that the 10C is working now. 

mcgruff10 said:

I am a digital member so I have no horse in this race

You do have a horse in this race. As a digital member you're entitled to a digital version of the Deep magazine and the Ten Club Single every year and you didn't get that. The difference for the analog membership is that with the analog membership you'll also get physical copies of those (plus the usual ugly t-shirt). 

While I agree with you in theory, I just dont agree with the outrage.  Maybe I’m reading into your post, but it comes across as really hostile.  I’m happy the band brings it every night on tour and never mails it in. If they are slackers when it comes to delivering the annual single I can live with it. 

If you gave your friend $40.00 to buy you something, and they never delivered, would you want your money back? I don't consider that outrage.

Eh... not an exact analogy.   If you’re really that wounded about it I would write them an email and request a refund. 

I'm not. I'm just agreeing that if people paid for something, the band owes it to them. Thats how transactions work.

E.K

Well I'm a Digital member and I'm pissed off about it.  I have paid $40 in the past two years and received nothing except access to this forum.  

on2legs

cottagesteeze said:

on2legs said:

cottagesteeze said:

on2legs said:

prl said:

Get_Right said:

Yep it is the band that moves at a snails pace. I guess I simply think they have earned that right. And in 2016 we got shows and no single. In 2017 we got no shows and a single. I will take 2016 every time no matter what is listed in the fan club benefits.

When will everyone understand that it's not a matter of "being ok" with it? You're fine with paying for something and not getting it? Great! I'm not, I have to work hard for my money. Also, it's not a matter of preferring singles or shows. And I'm sorry, but the band did not earn the right to just not deliver what they are charging for. It's really annoying that so many people here just prefer to shrug their shoulders and say "whatever, this band is the best band ever!!!". I guess that it's for those people that the 10C is working now. 

mcgruff10 said:

I am a digital member so I have no horse in this race

You do have a horse in this race. As a digital member you're entitled to a digital version of the Deep magazine and the Ten Club Single every year and you didn't get that. The difference for the analog membership is that with the analog membership you'll also get physical copies of those (plus the usual ugly t-shirt). 

While I agree with you in theory, I just dont agree with the outrage.  Maybe I’m reading into your post, but it comes across as really hostile.  I’m happy the band brings it every night on tour and never mails it in. If they are slackers when it comes to delivering the annual single I can live with it. 

If you gave your friend $40.00 to buy you something, and they never delivered, would you want your money back? I don't consider that outrage.

Eh... not an exact analogy.   If you’re really that wounded about it I would write them an email and request a refund. 

I'm not. I'm just agreeing that if people paid for something, the band owes it to them. Thats how transactions work.

I guess I’m of the mind that the band has given me way more than my money’s worth at everyone one of the 44 shows I’ve seen so I’m not concerned with what they owe me to point that I’m trying to hold them to how a “transaction works”.  If the band only gave us what they “owe” us we definitely would not get 3 hour shows night after night for the price of an $85 ticket.  Most bands call it quits after two hours and charge twice as much. 

drummerboy_73

on2legs said:

I guess I’m of the mind that the band has given me way more than my money’s worth at everyone one of the 44 shows I’ve seen so I’m not concerned with what they owe me to point that I’m trying to hold them to how a “transaction works”.  If the band only gave us what they “owe” us we definitely would not get 3 hour shows night after night for the price of an $85 ticket.  Most bands call it quits after two hours and charge twice as much. 

Apples and oranges. Concert tickets have a price tag. Membership has a price tag. Each one is a separate product/service to be provided for an agreed upon amount of money. Just because they're being provided by the same vendor, one has absolutely ZERO to do with the other.

cp3iverson

We all make the choice because being a member outweighs not being one.  We know delays and shipping charges and UPS-MI are the norm but it still beats not being a member IMO  

Its a conscious choice man

im choosin’ it

on2legs

drummerboy_73 said:

on2legs said:

I guess I’m of the mind that the band has given me way more than my money’s worth at everyone one of the 44 shows I’ve seen so I’m not concerned with what they owe me to point that I’m trying to hold them to how a “transaction works”.  If the band only gave us what they “owe” us we definitely would not get 3 hour shows night after night for the price of an $85 ticket.  Most bands call it quits after two hours and charge twice as much. 

Apples and oranges. Concert tickets have a price tag. Membership has a price tag. Each one is a separate product/service to be provided for an agreed upon amount of money. Just because they're being provided by the same vendor, one has absolutely ZERO to do with the other.

They’re not vendors. It’s music.  Not widgets.

drummerboy_73

on2legs said:

drummerboy_73 said:

on2legs said:

I guess I’m of the mind that the band has given me way more than my money’s worth at everyone one of the 44 shows I’ve seen so I’m not concerned with what they owe me to point that I’m trying to hold them to how a “transaction works”.  If the band only gave us what they “owe” us we definitely would not get 3 hour shows night after night for the price of an $85 ticket.  Most bands call it quits after two hours and charge twice as much. 

Apples and oranges. Concert tickets have a price tag. Membership has a price tag. Each one is a separate product/service to be provided for an agreed upon amount of money. Just because they're being provided by the same vendor, one has absolutely ZERO to do with the other.

They’re not vendors. It’s music.  Not widgets.

The minute they put a price tag on a product or service, be it a musical recording, a poster, a dog collar, or tennis shoes, they ARE, by definition, a VENDOR. Unless they give away their "product" for free, then sure...they owe us NOTHING. Let me be clear that I am voicing my opinion strictly as a consumer. My opinion of the band, their music, and their live shows is completely separate. You are fortunate in that you've seen the band 44 times and feel that they've "given you your money's worth." I also feel that in regards to every show I've been fortunate to attend. But like HesCalledDyer said, "if I paid $40 for x, y, and z" then give us x, y, and z. It's not the thing. It's the principal of the thing.