2017/18 NBA Thread

tempo_n_groove

No Coder said:

tempo_n_groove said:

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cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

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The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

LBJ, 2 more assists average over his career than ball hog jordan.

That’s because Lebron has basically been a point forward his entire career. 

I don’t remember people in the 90’s constantly feeling the need to prove that MJ was the greatest ever after every single game he played. I find all this talk annoying. Social media and proliferation of sports debates shows, obviously, are the main reasons. 

100% correct. As much as I love watching some of these shows, I avoid most talk on MVP/GOAT/ROY etc, as in the end, it's just a person's opinion. And to be honest, most on social media chiming on on these debates, might watch 3 highlight reels of basketball a week, check a boxscore and form an opinion., but have no real understanding on good team basketball.

My only detraction from LBJ is that I don't think he has made many of his team mates better. I do think he is a GREAT player, but less so as a leader. I can't recall Jordan ever going public with dissatisfaction with the Bulls roster

This is the new non confrontational call out method.  It's used by the coaches too.  Phil Jackson was a master at it but it backfired with Carmelo and the Knicks.

You didn't notice LBJ keep driving deep then dumping to the hot handed Smith?  That's a player that knows where to get the ball.  He led last night.

Yeah, i agree with Tempo here. He' makes passes that almost no player whoever played the game, to teammates for easy baskets. 

Again, not doubting his skill as a player or passer. Yes he finds open players, but when I say doesn't make his team mates better, I'm talking as a whole, not when on a hot streak in a game. This is also on the coaches he has played for (less so at Heat). Guys like Tristian Thompson, who LBJ pushed the Cavs HARD to sign to this ridiculous contract, have gone backwards. 

And there are a pretty good list of names that pass the ball as well, or better than Lebron, which doesn't diminish that he is a great passer, just disagreeing with the statement "He' makes passes that almost no player whoever played the game".  Magic, Nash, Stockton, Kidd, Rubio (great passer), The Big O, Jason Williams, Chris Paul, Bill Walton, Sabonis,Pistol Pete, Larry Bird and new players like Simmons, Jokic and Ball will be in the discussion too

Magic has said a lot of great things about LBJs passing ability.

You dug up the bones of J- Will, lol!!!

Yep, agree LBJ is a great passer, there's just plenty of other great ones too

And White Chocolate was a freak

He was good, not great.  Fun to watch.  Jason Kidd was better than him.

cutz

"White Chocolate"  >   https://youtu.be/Q8b0XbtpFsA

No Coder

tempo_n_groove said:

No Coder said:

tempo_n_groove said:

No Coder said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

No Coder said:

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

LBJ, 2 more assists average over his career than ball hog jordan.

That’s because Lebron has basically been a point forward his entire career. 

I don’t remember people in the 90’s constantly feeling the need to prove that MJ was the greatest ever after every single game he played. I find all this talk annoying. Social media and proliferation of sports debates shows, obviously, are the main reasons. 

100% correct. As much as I love watching some of these shows, I avoid most talk on MVP/GOAT/ROY etc, as in the end, it's just a person's opinion. And to be honest, most on social media chiming on on these debates, might watch 3 highlight reels of basketball a week, check a boxscore and form an opinion., but have no real understanding on good team basketball.

My only detraction from LBJ is that I don't think he has made many of his team mates better. I do think he is a GREAT player, but less so as a leader. I can't recall Jordan ever going public with dissatisfaction with the Bulls roster

This is the new non confrontational call out method.  It's used by the coaches too.  Phil Jackson was a master at it but it backfired with Carmelo and the Knicks.

You didn't notice LBJ keep driving deep then dumping to the hot handed Smith?  That's a player that knows where to get the ball.  He led last night.

Yeah, i agree with Tempo here. He' makes passes that almost no player whoever played the game, to teammates for easy baskets. 

Again, not doubting his skill as a player or passer. Yes he finds open players, but when I say doesn't make his team mates better, I'm talking as a whole, not when on a hot streak in a game. This is also on the coaches he has played for (less so at Heat). Guys like Tristian Thompson, who LBJ pushed the Cavs HARD to sign to this ridiculous contract, have gone backwards. 

And there are a pretty good list of names that pass the ball as well, or better than Lebron, which doesn't diminish that he is a great passer, just disagreeing with the statement "He' makes passes that almost no player whoever played the game".  Magic, Nash, Stockton, Kidd, Rubio (great passer), The Big O, Jason Williams, Chris Paul, Bill Walton, Sabonis,Pistol Pete, Larry Bird and new players like Simmons, Jokic and Ball will be in the discussion too

Magic has said a lot of great things about LBJs passing ability.

You dug up the bones of J- Will, lol!!!

Yep, agree LBJ is a great passer, there's just plenty of other great ones too

And White Chocolate was a freak

He was good, not great.  Fun to watch.  Jason Kidd was better than him.

Yep, no argument from me. He was not an elite PG, but on passing alone, deserves to be mentioned 

cutz

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

tempo_n_groove

cutz said:

"White Chocolate"  >   https://youtu.be/Q8b0XbtpFsA

Payton smiling at the end was great.  I saw Detlef Shcrempf too!  Forgot about him!

tempo_n_groove

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

You calling for Casey to be fired?

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

You calling for Casey to be fired?

Oh stop it.  The "talent" isn't there.  Did you miss the help part or do you want to engage in some banter, lol?

Poncier

If I recall didn't White Chocolate go to high school with Randy Moss?

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

If I recall didn't White Chocolate go to high school with Randy Moss?

College?  Marshall I thought?

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

If I recall didn't White Chocolate go to high school with Randy Moss?

College?  Marshall I thought?

No, Williams went to Florida.
I think it was high school...Google time.

Poncier

OK, Williams attended Marshall then transferred to Florida,

but he did go to HS With Moss:

"In addition to playing football at DuPont, Moss was twice named West Virginia Player of the Year in basketball (1993, 1994), where he was a teammate of future NBA player Jason Williams."

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

OK, Williams attended Marshall then transferred to Florida,

but he did go to HS With Moss:

"In addition to playing football at DuPont, Moss was twice named West Virginia Player of the Year in basketball (1993, 1994), where he was a teammate of future NBA player Jason Williams."

I remember them going to Marshal but completely forgot that they went to HS together.  They never mentioned that in Rand U documentary?

Poncier

Must have been tough to play against that HS hoop team.

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

You calling for Casey to be fired?

Oh stop it.  The "talent" isn't there.  Did you miss the help part or do you want to engage in some banter, lol?

haha....dude, you're calling for a first time playoff coach who's coaching a young team who exceeded expectations to be fired in the Sixers thread....yet are fine with a coach who has lead his veteran team to 3 or 4 straight underachieving seasons to remain on the job. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The opposite should be true.

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

You calling for Casey to be fired?

Oh stop it.  The "talent" isn't there.  Did you miss the help part or do you want to engage in some banter, lol?

haha....dude, you're calling for a first time playoff coach who's coaching a young team who exceeded expectations to be fired in the Sixers thread....yet are fine with a coach who has lead his veteran team to 3 or 4 straight underachieving seasons to remain on the job. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The opposite should be true.

So you DO want to banter.

OK.

The Utah Jazz with Malone and Stockton faced and failed at beating the Bulls in multiple years.  Was it the coach?  No.  It was Jordan.

Who have the Raptors lost to in the playoffs in the last 3 seasons?  I'll let you have two guesses.  Bonus points as to whom the star player on that team is too.

There is a roadblock for a bunch of Eastern teams.  You should know that.

So the 76ers case now.  They were HEAVILY favored against the celtics but have just been falling flat to an inferior team.  I've since gone back and said that I'd give brown another year so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up?

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

You calling for Casey to be fired?

Oh stop it.  The "talent" isn't there.  Did you miss the help part or do you want to engage in some banter, lol?

haha....dude, you're calling for a first time playoff coach who's coaching a young team who exceeded expectations to be fired in the Sixers thread....yet are fine with a coach who has lead his veteran team to 3 or 4 straight underachieving seasons to remain on the job. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The opposite should be true.

So you DO want to banter.

OK.

The Utah Jazz with Malone and Stockton faced and failed at beating the Bulls in multiple years.  Was it the coach?  No.  It was Jordan.

Who have the Raptors lost to in the playoffs in the last 3 seasons?  I'll let you have two guesses.  Bonus points as to whom the star player on that team is too.

There is a roadblock for a bunch of Eastern teams.  You should know that.

So the 76ers case now.  They were HEAVILY favored against the celtics but have just been falling flat to an inferior team.  I've since gone back and said that I'd give brown another year so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up?

Banter!

But did you know the Raptors also lost in the first round two years in a row, as a higher seed (and thus a favorite), before losing the last 3 seasons to the Cavs? And yeah, the Cavs have Lebron so there's no shame in losing....but getting swept in two out of the last three seasons? They were the 1 seed this year. That's just blatantly not showing up and coaching definitely plays a part in that. There's a reason there are a lot of reports about Toronto considering firing him today despite the great regular season.

Comparing them to Utah? Jerry Sloan is a hall of famer. Better example might be the Bulls firing Doug Collins after 3 years of playoff frustration before bringing in Phil Jackson to help get them over the hump.

I know you changed your mind on Brown--I'm just pointing out that Casey is the more likely of the two coaches to get fired.

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

You calling for Casey to be fired?

Oh stop it.  The "talent" isn't there.  Did you miss the help part or do you want to engage in some banter, lol?

haha....dude, you're calling for a first time playoff coach who's coaching a young team who exceeded expectations to be fired in the Sixers thread....yet are fine with a coach who has lead his veteran team to 3 or 4 straight underachieving seasons to remain on the job. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The opposite should be true.

So you DO want to banter.

OK.

The Utah Jazz with Malone and Stockton faced and failed at beating the Bulls in multiple years.  Was it the coach?  No.  It was Jordan.

Who have the Raptors lost to in the playoffs in the last 3 seasons?  I'll let you have two guesses.  Bonus points as to whom the star player on that team is too.

There is a roadblock for a bunch of Eastern teams.  You should know that.

So the 76ers case now.  They were HEAVILY favored against the celtics but have just been falling flat to an inferior team.  I've since gone back and said that I'd give brown another year so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up?

Banter!

But did you know the Raptors also lost in the first round two years in a row, as a higher seed (and thus a favorite), before losing the last 3 seasons to the Cavs? And yeah, the Cavs have Lebron so there's no shame in losing....but getting swept in two out of the last three seasons? They were the 1 seed this year. That's just blatantly not showing up and coaching definitely plays a part in that. There's a reason there are a lot of reports about Toronto considering firing him today despite the great regular season.

Comparing them to Utah? Jerry Sloan is a hall of famer. Better example might be the Bulls firing Doug Collins after 3 years of playoff frustration before bringing in Phil Jackson to help get them over the hump.

I know you changed your mind on Brown--I'm just pointing out that Casey is the more likely of the two coaches to get fired.

I was using the team the Jazz and there roadblock called the Bulls as a wonderful comparison, come now...

I didn't call for Caseys head because you and I both know that Toronto plays like overachievers during the regular season.  They don't have much other than Derozan and Lowry.  Both of them do not equal 1 Lebron.

This is fun!

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

You calling for Casey to be fired?

Oh stop it.  The "talent" isn't there.  Did you miss the help part or do you want to engage in some banter, lol?

haha....dude, you're calling for a first time playoff coach who's coaching a young team who exceeded expectations to be fired in the Sixers thread....yet are fine with a coach who has lead his veteran team to 3 or 4 straight underachieving seasons to remain on the job. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The opposite should be true.

So you DO want to banter.

OK.

The Utah Jazz with Malone and Stockton faced and failed at beating the Bulls in multiple years.  Was it the coach?  No.  It was Jordan.

Who have the Raptors lost to in the playoffs in the last 3 seasons?  I'll let you have two guesses.  Bonus points as to whom the star player on that team is too.

There is a roadblock for a bunch of Eastern teams.  You should know that.

So the 76ers case now.  They were HEAVILY favored against the celtics but have just been falling flat to an inferior team.  I've since gone back and said that I'd give brown another year so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up?

Banter!

But did you know the Raptors also lost in the first round two years in a row, as a higher seed (and thus a favorite), before losing the last 3 seasons to the Cavs? And yeah, the Cavs have Lebron so there's no shame in losing....but getting swept in two out of the last three seasons? They were the 1 seed this year. That's just blatantly not showing up and coaching definitely plays a part in that. There's a reason there are a lot of reports about Toronto considering firing him today despite the great regular season.

Comparing them to Utah? Jerry Sloan is a hall of famer. Better example might be the Bulls firing Doug Collins after 3 years of playoff frustration before bringing in Phil Jackson to help get them over the hump.

I know you changed your mind on Brown--I'm just pointing out that Casey is the more likely of the two coaches to get fired.

I was using the team the Jazz and there roadblock called the Bulls as a wonderful comparison, come now...

I didn't call for Caseys head because you and I both know that Toronto plays like overachievers during the regular season.  They don't have much other than Derozan and Lowry.  Both of them do not equal 1 Lebron.

This is fun!

It's one thing to lose to the Cavs. It's another thing to get swept in two of the last three seasons after losing in the first round, as a favorite and higher seed, the previous two years. I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one. Lots of reports about them making a coaching change. 5 years of playoff frustration usually equals a firing in the NBA.

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

A real surprise it's the GSW VS Rockets in the Western Finals( basically the NBA Finals?)

As long as Harden doesn't go MIA again this should be a good series, like really good series.

On the Raptors Derozan is good.  He needs some help though.  People praise this team all year long then they get destroyed in the playoffs...

You calling for Casey to be fired?

Oh stop it.  The "talent" isn't there.  Did you miss the help part or do you want to engage in some banter, lol?

haha....dude, you're calling for a first time playoff coach who's coaching a young team who exceeded expectations to be fired in the Sixers thread....yet are fine with a coach who has lead his veteran team to 3 or 4 straight underachieving seasons to remain on the job. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The opposite should be true.

So you DO want to banter.

OK.

The Utah Jazz with Malone and Stockton faced and failed at beating the Bulls in multiple years.  Was it the coach?  No.  It was Jordan.

Who have the Raptors lost to in the playoffs in the last 3 seasons?  I'll let you have two guesses.  Bonus points as to whom the star player on that team is too.

There is a roadblock for a bunch of Eastern teams.  You should know that.

So the 76ers case now.  They were HEAVILY favored against the celtics but have just been falling flat to an inferior team.  I've since gone back and said that I'd give brown another year so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up?

Banter!

But did you know the Raptors also lost in the first round two years in a row, as a higher seed (and thus a favorite), before losing the last 3 seasons to the Cavs? And yeah, the Cavs have Lebron so there's no shame in losing....but getting swept in two out of the last three seasons? They were the 1 seed this year. That's just blatantly not showing up and coaching definitely plays a part in that. There's a reason there are a lot of reports about Toronto considering firing him today despite the great regular season.

Comparing them to Utah? Jerry Sloan is a hall of famer. Better example might be the Bulls firing Doug Collins after 3 years of playoff frustration before bringing in Phil Jackson to help get them over the hump.

I know you changed your mind on Brown--I'm just pointing out that Casey is the more likely of the two coaches to get fired.

I was using the team the Jazz and there roadblock called the Bulls as a wonderful comparison, come now...

I didn't call for Caseys head because you and I both know that Toronto plays like overachievers during the regular season.  They don't have much other than Derozan and Lowry.  Both of them do not equal 1 Lebron.

This is fun!

It's one thing to lose to the Cavs. It's another thing to get swept in two of the last three seasons after losing in the first round, as a favorite and higher seed, the previous two years. I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one. Lots of reports about them making a coaching change. 5 years of playoff frustration usually equals a firing in the NBA.

So you don't think that the Raptors overachieved in the regular season?

Also I would agree that the coach should go.  It's time for something different but unless they get more player help it'll still be the same end result.

This is why Lebron doesn't care about the regular season.  It all means nothing.  The playoffs are everything.