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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 12,465
    respect
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,965
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ
    Stop it. I’m the biggest lebron fanboy there is but he’s not better than MJ. He’s not better than Kobe...

    i measure thst in championships. As a player in general though? Lebron all the way. 


  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,058
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ
    Stop it. I’m the biggest lebron fanboy there is but he’s not better than MJ. He’s not better than Kobe...

    i measure thst in championships. As a player in general though? Lebron all the way. 


    I'm confused....I measure it "as a player in general" also. LBJ > MJ, even if he will never match him in rings. you agree with that?

    BTW, I didn't think last night's shot had a prayer :lol:
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 ChicagoPosts: 13,110
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ

    LOL.
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,214
    Jordan would not have taken a last place team and make them contenders.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,058
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ

    LOL.

    where do you live?

    oh, right.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,214
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero GalaxyPosts: 17,478
    In a few years the CELTICS basketball team will a force (JT#0) in the NBA. I just wish the BRUINS would get their act/play together.

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  • Indifference71Indifference71 ChicagoPosts: 13,110
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ

    LOL.

    where do you live?

    oh, right.
    Lebron is incredible...he's obviously one of the best players ever, but Jordan being 6-0 in the Finals is just insane.  Lebron's teams have lost how many times in the Finals?  4 or 5 I think.
    6/18/03, 5/17/06, 6/30/06, 8/5/07, 6/22/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 7/19/13, 11/21/13, 11/23/13, 11/24/13, 10/17/14, 10/20/14, 4/18/16, 4/20/16, 5/2/16, 5/3/16, 8/20/16, 8/22/16
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,214
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ

    LOL.

    where do you live?

    oh, right.
    Lebron is incredible...he's obviously one of the best players ever, but Jordan being 6-0 in the Finals is just insane.  Lebron's teams have lost how many times in the Finals?  4 or 5 I think.
    But LeBron's teams other than Miami were not the Bulls in those Finals. MJ had a team and Phil Jackson. 
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 7,936
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ

    LOL.

    where do you live?

    oh, right.
    Lebron is incredible...he's obviously one of the best players ever, but Jordan being 6-0 in the Finals is just insane.  Lebron's teams have lost how many times in the Finals?  4 or 5 I think.
    Bill Russell went 11-1 in his 13 year career. Not sure their are words  to describe that accomplishment. 

    Houston looks like ther gonna make another Series in this round not being close.(Unless Utah can come back)
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,965
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ
    Stop it. I’m the biggest lebron fanboy there is but he’s not better than MJ. He’s not better than Kobe...

    i measure thst in championships. As a player in general though? Lebron all the way. 


    I'm confused....I measure it "as a player in general" also. LBJ > MJ, even if he will never match him in rings. you agree with that?

    BTW, I didn't think last night's shot had a prayer :lol:
    The "as a player in general" means the player.  Lebron is the best player I've seen hands down.  MJ is the greatest though because of what he did in the finals.  It's A really tough dilemma but it's fun to talk about.

    So I agree that LBJ is better than Jordan, yes.  I started saying that a while ago by just the things that he accomplished/did as a player.

    MJ is the best because when he went to the finals he was an assassin...

    My Mt Rushmore is Magic, MJ, Kobe and Lebron.


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,965
    cutz said:
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ

    LOL.

    where do you live?

    oh, right.
    Lebron is incredible...he's obviously one of the best players ever, but Jordan being 6-0 in the Finals is just insane.  Lebron's teams have lost how many times in the Finals?  4 or 5 I think.
    Bill Russell went 11-1 in his 13 year career. Not sure their are words  to describe that accomplishment. 

    Houston looks like ther gonna make another Series in this round not being close.(Unless Utah can come back)
    That whole celtics team were HOF'ers.  It's not a fair comparison.

    Lebron did take a few teams that stunk, to the finals.  He is just that good.

    The bulls run with Jordan also had a piece of the puzzle that everyone forgets to mention.  Scottie Pippen.  One of the BEST basketball players I've ever watched
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,087
    igotid88 said:
    Jordan would not have taken a last place team and make them contenders.
    He took the 2nd worst team in the NBA from the previous year to the playoffs his rookie year. A team whose number in the win column had declined 3 years in a row.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,965
    igotid88 said:
    Jordan would not have taken a last place team and make them contenders.
    He took the 2nd worst team in the NBA from the previous year to the playoffs his rookie year. A team whose number in the win column had declined 3 years in a row.
    That's not even the same thing as I believe Shaquile did something of a similar feat but also went to the finals and beat #45 in the playoffs.

    Shaqs third year in the league.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,087
    Yeah, Shaq took a 21 win team and only missed the playoffs his rookie season by tiebreak.
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 12,465
    Tonight we wipe..
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 7,936
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ
    Stop it. I’m the biggest lebron fanboy there is but he’s not better than MJ. He’s not better than Kobe...

    i measure thst in championships. As a player in general though? Lebron all the way. 


    I'm confused....I measure it "as a player in general" also. LBJ > MJ, even if he will never match him in rings. you agree with that?

    BTW, I didn't think last night's shot had a prayer :lol:
    The "as a player in general" means the player.  Lebron is the best player I've seen hands down.  MJ is the greatest though because of what he did in the finals.  It's A really tough dilemma but it's fun to talk about.

    So I agree that LBJ is better than Jordan, yes.  I started saying that a while ago by just the things that he accomplished/did as a player.

    MJ is the best because when he went to the finals he was an assassin...

    My Mt Rushmore is Magic, MJ, Kobe and Lebron.


    No Wilt Chamberlain on your Mt. Rushmore? Oscar Robertson?  Or, is your Mt. Rushmore based on players you've seen during your lifetime? (If so, that's a really good list).
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,087
    I don't even think I could do an "in my lifetime" NBA Rushmore.  How do you take only 4 from:  Jordan, Magic, Bird, Olajuwon, Shaq, Duncan, Erving, Iverson, Kareem, Miller, Kobe, Lebron, Allen.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,965
    cutz said:
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ
    Stop it. I’m the biggest lebron fanboy there is but he’s not better than MJ. He’s not better than Kobe...

    i measure thst in championships. As a player in general though? Lebron all the way. 


    I'm confused....I measure it "as a player in general" also. LBJ > MJ, even if he will never match him in rings. you agree with that?

    BTW, I didn't think last night's shot had a prayer :lol:
    The "as a player in general" means the player.  Lebron is the best player I've seen hands down.  MJ is the greatest though because of what he did in the finals.  It's A really tough dilemma but it's fun to talk about.

    So I agree that LBJ is better than Jordan, yes.  I started saying that a while ago by just the things that he accomplished/did as a player.

    MJ is the best because when he went to the finals he was an assassin...

    My Mt Rushmore is Magic, MJ, Kobe and Lebron.


    No Wilt Chamberlain on your Mt. Rushmore? Oscar Robertson?  Or, is your Mt. Rushmore based on players you've seen during your lifetime? (If so, that's a really good list).
    The reason there is no Robertson is because he won only one title.  No Chamberlin because he had no real competition and didn't win a title until he started playing as a team player(he had Russell, I know but that was only one person).  No George Mikan because there was no one like him at the time so his dominance was unmatched.

    To be a "great" or a Rushmore type you had to win more than 2 titles and competed amongst the best of your piers.

    Jordan, Magic, Kobe and Lebron all did that. 

    Bird and Russell were/are hard to leave off that list.  Jabbar created a shot that no one could block so he amassed the most points in history.

    I could go on and on...
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,965
    I don't even think I could do an "in my lifetime" NBA Rushmore.  How do you take only 4 from:  Jordan, Magic, Bird, Olajuwon, Shaq, Duncan, Erving, Iverson, Kareem, Miller, Kobe, Lebron, Allen.
    One was great but a ball hog and the other was a 3 point specialist.  These two really have no business on this list and I LOVED Iverson.

    No Barkley, Robinson, Thomas or Ewing?  Those 4 are worth of a discussion too but don't belong on the Rushmore...
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,965
    Good win by the 76ers tonight.  McConell played unconscious.
  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 1,025
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ > MJ
    Stop it. I’m the biggest lebron fanboy there is but he’s not better than MJ. He’s not better than Kobe...

    i measure thst in championships. As a player in general though? Lebron all the way. 


    I'm confused....I measure it "as a player in general" also. LBJ > MJ, even if he will never match him in rings. you agree with that?

    BTW, I didn't think last night's shot had a prayer :lol:
    The "as a player in general" means the player.  Lebron is the best player I've seen hands down.  MJ is the greatest though because of what he did in the finals.  It's A really tough dilemma but it's fun to talk about.

    So I agree that LBJ is better than Jordan, yes.  I started saying that a while ago by just the things that he accomplished/did as a player.

    MJ is the best because when he went to the finals he was an assassin...

    My Mt Rushmore is Magic, MJ, Kobe and Lebron.


    Okay, Let me start off by saying I don't think I will ever move from MJ being the GOAT, but Lebron is my number 2 as of now. What he has done this year has lifted him definitively into outright number 2.
    It's very hard to compare players with multitudes of considerations (Eras/rules/competition) but I've never watched a player with the competitive drive that Jordan had. His utter ruthlessness was well known. The league was tougher to play in the 90's, FACT, and I'm not saying that makes it better, just that players were hit harder than they are now and took more of a pounding throughout the season

    Unfortunately boxscore stats mean nothing nowadays, as if you watch games now, players get an assist for passing it to a player, who then dribbles and creates his own shot, but passer is still given an assist. The interpretation of the rule has changed and those stats are worthless now. That's why we see so many more Triple doubles....anyway i digress

    My larger point is that Jordan through the 90's was never required to play like LBJ has done, as he had Pippen to carry the Point forward role. MJ's role was to score and defend for the most part. Yes, Jordan has some very good team mates in Pippen and Rodman, but anyone else was just a role player, with maybe the exception of Horace Grant and Toni Kukoc. John Paxson/Bj Armstong were no better than anyone that has played pg in Lebron's teams, same with Ron Harper. MJ played with no dominant centre ever. The main difference was that the Bulls players new their roles and perfected them. I can't say that Lebron has ever gotten that consistently out of his Cavs team. I think the main difference is that Jordan got more out of his team mates than any other player. He demanded excellence.

    And for mine, I think Kobe is very good, but he's not top 5 ever. Kareem, Larry Bird, Timmy Duncan all are above him for me


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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,058
    “We the North.” yeah, right.

    beat it.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,058
    LBJ, 2 more assists average over his career than ball hog jordan.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,647
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ, 2 more assists average over his career than ball hog jordan.
    That’s because Lebron has basically been a point forward his entire career. 

    I don’t remember people in the 90’s constantly feeling the need to prove that MJ was the greatest ever after every single game he played. I find all this talk annoying. Social media and proliferation of sports debates shows, obviously, are the main reasons. 
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,058
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ, 2 more assists average over his career than ball hog jordan.
    That’s because Lebron has basically been a point forward his entire career. 

    I don’t remember people in the 90’s constantly feeling the need to prove that MJ was the greatest ever after every single game he played. I find all this talk annoying. Social media and proliferation of sports debates shows, obviously, are the main reasons. 

    “obviously” :wink:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 1,025
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ, 2 more assists average over his career than ball hog jordan.
    That’s because Lebron has basically been a point forward his entire career. 

    I don’t remember people in the 90’s constantly feeling the need to prove that MJ was the greatest ever after every single game he played. I find all this talk annoying. Social media and proliferation of sports debates shows, obviously, are the main reasons. 
    100% correct. As much as I love watching some of these shows, I avoid most talk on MVP/GOAT/ROY etc, as in the end, it's just a person's opinion. And to be honest, most on social media chiming on on these debates, might watch 3 highlight reels of basketball a week, check a boxscore and form an opinion., but have no real understanding on good team basketball.

    My only detraction from LBJ is that I don't think he has made many of his team mates better. I do think he is a GREAT player, but less so as a leader. I can't recall Jordan ever going public with dissatisfaction with the Bulls roster
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,647
    No Coder said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ, 2 more assists average over his career than ball hog jordan.
    That’s because Lebron has basically been a point forward his entire career. 

    I don’t remember people in the 90’s constantly feeling the need to prove that MJ was the greatest ever after every single game he played. I find all this talk annoying. Social media and proliferation of sports debates shows, obviously, are the main reasons. 
    100% correct. As much as I love watching some of these shows, I avoid most talk on MVP/GOAT/ROY etc, as in the end, it's just a person's opinion. And to be honest, most on social media chiming on on these debates, might watch 3 highlight reels of basketball a week, check a boxscore and form an opinion., but have no real understanding on good team basketball.

    My only detraction from LBJ is that I don't think he has made many of his team mates better. I do think he is a GREAT player, but less so as a leader. I can't recall Jordan ever going public with dissatisfaction with the Bulls roster
    100%
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,965
    No Coder said:
    Wobbie said:
    LBJ, 2 more assists average over his career than ball hog jordan.
    That’s because Lebron has basically been a point forward his entire career. 

    I don’t remember people in the 90’s constantly feeling the need to prove that MJ was the greatest ever after every single game he played. I find all this talk annoying. Social media and proliferation of sports debates shows, obviously, are the main reasons. 
    100% correct. As much as I love watching some of these shows, I avoid most talk on MVP/GOAT/ROY etc, as in the end, it's just a person's opinion. And to be honest, most on social media chiming on on these debates, might watch 3 highlight reels of basketball a week, check a boxscore and form an opinion., but have no real understanding on good team basketball.

    My only detraction from LBJ is that I don't think he has made many of his team mates better. I do think he is a GREAT player, but less so as a leader. I can't recall Jordan ever going public with dissatisfaction with the Bulls roster
    This is the new non confrontational call out method.  It's used by the coaches too.  Phil Jackson was a master at it but it backfired with Carmelo and the Knicks.

    You didn't notice LBJ keep driving deep then dumping to the hot handed Smith?  That's a player that knows where to get the ball.  He led last night.
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