Sexual Misconduct in Politics

Gern Blansten

About six months or so ago there was a clip going around of Rose saying something inappropriate on the air.  Trying to find it...it was kind of laughed off at the time.

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

About six months or so ago there was a clip going around of Rose saying something inappropriate on the air.  Trying to find it...it was kind of laughed off at the time.

Yeah, I remember that too. Found it.

https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/932731666472357888

unsung

JimmyV said:

Allegation #2 for Franken:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

Second woman says Sen. Al Franken inappropriately touched her - CNN https://apple.news/AlW3-Y_xgT2ym9Z9G__ZCNA

jeffer96

Hi Gang - Long Time 10 Clubber, but don’t post very often.  I never in a million years thought sexual harassment was as rampant in society until it happened to my wife and fellow Jammer, Kirsten, the woman mentioned in this story- 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/20/sexual-harassment-statehouses/882874001/
She did the right thing in standing up, but it has made our lives a living hell for the last 4 years.  That’s time we should have been able to spend watching our son grow up and enjoying life.  As someone who has always worked in the private sector, it was appalling to see what went on in the private sector and how it impacted her.  She went from being a happy, bubbly person full of life who was always ready to tackle a new adventure to someone who would come home, change into pajamas and immediately go to bed after a day at work.  It almost drove us apart.  She found her voice, filed a complaint to end the harassment and was instead fired that same day.  We incurred just under a million dollars in legal fees through her trial, where a jury found in her favor and awarded her $2.2 million - far beyond what she sought in damages - from the State.  The State appealed and ultimately settled with her.  Over those four years, she went through numerous counseling sessions, was black balled and unemployable and lost what was left of her confidence.  It wasn’t until the verdict came in that she started to feel like she could raise her chin up again.  I share this because these women are real people.  Like Kirsten, they just want to do their job and go home.  Speaking up brings on retaliation, shame, ridicule, legal expenses and very little chance of finding employment while the case is pending.  Guys, I am begging you.  Think about what you say and how you act when you are around your female friends and coworkers.  Ladies, don’t put up with anything less!  If it is happening to you today, find someone to listen.  It’s no way to go through life.  You deserve a safe place to work.

Jeff

JimmyV

unsung said:

JimmyV said:

Allegation #2 for Franken:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

Second woman says Sen. Al Franken inappropriately touched her - CNN https://apple.news/AlW3-Y_xgT2ym9Z9G__ZCNA

How many are we up to for Trump?

Go Beavers

From my own experience working in both the private and public sector, I’ve found the public sector to be better able to handle these things. That being said, all the organizations I’ve worked for have had a significant presence of women. Often the majority of staff were women, and many of the supervisors and managers were/are women. It’s insane when I read these stories and how it went on and on without any intervention. 

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

From my own experience working in both the private and public sector, I’ve found the public sector to be better able to handle these things. That being said, all the organizations I’ve worked for have had a significant presence of women. Often the majority of staff were women, and many of the supervisors and managers were/are women. It’s insane when I read these stories and how it went on and on without any intervention. 

Yeah, I think public sector is pretty good with this stuff. I'm also a public sector employee, and we have extremely well-defined definitions for harassment, and a very responsive method for dealing with that. It's also a union atmosphere, and obviously unions play a huge role in ensuring that employees are properly protected ... It's actual government sector where things fall apart. I feel pretty comfortable assuming that is because of what our politicians, particularly our male politicians, are often like. Many of them are power hungry, self-righteous pricks, and that is actually why they flock to politics in the first place. This is about a culture that such people have grown themselves and have perpetuated it. All that does is attract much of the same over time. I think government at all levels should absolutely clean house when it comes to this shit. I know it would be very disruptive in a lot of ways... but I think this kind of major disruption in all levels of government is way overdue (not the kind of disruption that Trumps brings of course... He and all his idiot supporters in government are a huge part of the problem... all of those pricks need to be metaphorically strung up as well. Especially Trump. Seriously. When is Trump going to be the target in all this???? I don't understand how this groundswell can even continue without Trump being taken down just like all these other fuckers are being taken down. Until that happens, I don't see much hope).

Gern Blansten

jeffer96 said:

Hi Gang - Long Time 10 Clubber, but don’t post very often.  I never in a million years thought sexual harassment was as rampant in society until it happened to my wife and fellow Jammer, Kirsten, the woman mentioned in this story- 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/20/sexual-harassment-statehouses/882874001/
She did the right thing in standing up, but it has made our lives a living hell for the last 4 years.  That’s time we should have been able to spend watching our son grow up and enjoying life.  As someone who has always worked in the private sector, it was appalling to see what went on in the private sector and how it impacted her.  She went from being a happy, bubbly person full of life who was always ready to tackle a new adventure to someone who would come home, change into pajamas and immediately go to bed after a day at work.  It almost drove us apart.  She found her voice, filed a complaint to end the harassment and was instead fired that same day.  We incurred just under a million dollars in legal fees through her trial, where a jury found in her favor and awarded her $2.2 million - far beyond what she sought in damages - from the State.  The State appealed and ultimately settled with her.  Over those four years, she went through numerous counseling sessions, was black balled and unemployable and lost what was left of her confidence.  It wasn’t until the verdict came in that she started to feel like she could raise her chin up again.  I share this because these women are real people.  Like Kirsten, they just want to do their job and go home.  Speaking up brings on retaliation, shame, ridicule, legal expenses and very little chance of finding employment while the case is pending.  Guys, I am begging you.  Think about what you say and how you act when you are around your female friends and coworkers.  Ladies, don’t put up with anything less!  If it is happening to you today, find someone to listen.  It’s no way to go through life.  You deserve a safe place to work.

Jeff

wow...so sorry that happened.  Hats off to her for sticking with it.  Unfortunately too many ignore it.

bootlegger10

You know, we do these annual harassment trainings at work and they seem so silly.  I think, who would be doing this stuff at work?  And it turns out after reading the news for the last 4 weeks that people are not only doing this stuff at work, but much worse.  And these people are smart people that are highly respected in politics or the media.  It is pathetic.  The one good thing about this is hopefully women (and men) who have been harassed can now speak up and be believed.   

hedonist

jeffer96 said:

Hi Gang - Long Time 10 Clubber, but don’t post very often.  I never in a million years thought sexual harassment was as rampant in society until it happened to my wife and fellow Jammer, Kirsten, the woman mentioned in this story- 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/20/sexual-harassment-statehouses/882874001/
She did the right thing in standing up, but it has made our lives a living hell for the last 4 years.  That’s time we should have been able to spend watching our son grow up and enjoying life.  As someone who has always worked in the private sector, it was appalling to see what went on in the private sector and how it impacted her.  She went from being a happy, bubbly person full of life who was always ready to tackle a new adventure to someone who would come home, change into pajamas and immediately go to bed after a day at work.  It almost drove us apart.  She found her voice, filed a complaint to end the harassment and was instead fired that same day.  We incurred just under a million dollars in legal fees through her trial, where a jury found in her favor and awarded her $2.2 million - far beyond what she sought in damages - from the State.  The State appealed and ultimately settled with her.  Over those four years, she went through numerous counseling sessions, was black balled and unemployable and lost what was left of her confidence.  It wasn’t until the verdict came in that she started to feel like she could raise her chin up again.  I share this because these women are real people.  Like Kirsten, they just want to do their job and go home.  Speaking up brings on retaliation, shame, ridicule, legal expenses and very little chance of finding employment while the case is pending.  Guys, I am begging you.  Think about what you say and how you act when you are around your female friends and coworkers.  Ladies, don’t put up with anything less!  If it is happening to you today, find someone to listen.  It’s no way to go through life.  You deserve a safe place to work.

Jeff

PEOPLE need to do this, regardless of gender or with whom they're interacting.

Seriously, just treat people decently and don't be a dick.

Jeff, that your wife not only experienced that but lost her job (really?!) on top of it is appalling...not to mention the beyond challenging road to walk afterward.  Glad she and you made it through.  People like her inspire others to come forward, and also represent those of us in varying similar situations who weren't heard.

unsung

JimmyV said:

unsung said:

JimmyV said:

Allegation #2 for Franken:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

Second woman says Sen. Al Franken inappropriately touched her - CNN https://apple.news/AlW3-Y_xgT2ym9Z9G__ZCNA

How many are we up to for Trump?

Couldn’t tell you, I am not obsessed with him like some here.

unsung

josevolution said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I guess “conservative principles” include molesting 14 year old girls. Way to go Randy!

https://www.roymoore.org/Press-Releases/90/SENATOR-RAND-PAUL-ENDORSES-JUDGE-ROY-MOORE-FOR-UNITED-STATES-SENATE

That is fucking unreal I hope his neighbors beat the crap outta him again and knock that hair peice right off his head what an asshole he is Unsung must be jumping for joy ...

No, I only wonder what makes someone so obsessed with Rand Paul.  I also wonder why people are actually wishing harm upon others.  

As as far as my #1 fan Halifax whom keeps asking why Dr Paul has not answered the question, I would assume it is because he was attacked from behind by a lunatic and has other priorities than worrying what someone thinks on a music forum.

unsung

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

 309kunsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JimmyV said:

unsung said:

How long before they come out against creepy joe biden too?

Or creepy Rand Paul?

Hmmmmm, I wonder what might make your neighbor blind side tackle you? I wonder what it could be, particularly if your attorney claims it wasn’t a yard dispute and neither side is talking. Hush, I'd like to buy a clue.

Considering his neighbor is a mentally unstable democrat it isn't a surprise.

Now back to Al Franken, all of you were screaming for Trump to not get elected due to locker rooom talk, this guy actually did something.  Are you going to demand his resignation or are all of you just full of shit?

trump’s wasn’t locker room talk, unless you’ve been hanging out in a locker room full of sex offenders. 

I don't claim to be an expert on this subject like all of you, I don't have the experience defending people like Bill Clinton for years.

Where’s Randy Paul’s comments on Roy Moore? Maybe he’s got some skeletons in his closet. Or is it ghosts?

You all tried that a few years ago, aqua budda remember?

A lot can change in a few years. Tempted by the Devil hisself, for example. Still haven't seen Randy Paul comment on Roy Moore's transgressions. Why not? Silence is endorsement.

Maybe a 40 year old allegation needs a little more investigation before burning him at the stake.

How much time did you give the 39 year old Clinton rape allegation?

You might want to review your timeline, no worries though it looks like there are some fresh ones coming our way soon.

Go Beavers

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

 309kunsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JimmyV said:

unsung said:

How long before they come out against creepy joe biden too?

Or creepy Rand Paul?

Hmmmmm, I wonder what might make your neighbor blind side tackle you? I wonder what it could be, particularly if your attorney claims it wasn’t a yard dispute and neither side is talking. Hush, I'd like to buy a clue.

Considering his neighbor is a mentally unstable democrat it isn't a surprise.

Now back to Al Franken, all of you were screaming for Trump to not get elected due to locker rooom talk, this guy actually did something.  Are you going to demand his resignation or are all of you just full of shit?

trump’s wasn’t locker room talk, unless you’ve been hanging out in a locker room full of sex offenders. 

I don't claim to be an expert on this subject like all of you, I don't have the experience defending people like Bill Clinton for years.

Where’s Randy Paul’s comments on Roy Moore? Maybe he’s got some skeletons in his closet. Or is it ghosts?

You all tried that a few years ago, aqua budda remember?

A lot can change in a few years. Tempted by the Devil hisself, for example. Still haven't seen Randy Paul comment on Roy Moore's transgressions. Why not? Silence is endorsement.

Maybe a 40 year old allegation needs a little more investigation before burning him at the stake.

How much time did you give the 39 year old Clinton rape allegation?

You might want to review your timeline, no worries though it looks like there are some fresh ones coming our way soon.

Meh, I’m not obsessed with Clinton like some are in here. 

JimmyV

unsung said:

JimmyV said:

unsung said:

JimmyV said:

Allegation #2 for Franken:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

Second woman says Sen. Al Franken inappropriately touched her - CNN https://apple.news/AlW3-Y_xgT2ym9Z9G__ZCNA

How many are we up to for Trump?

Couldn’t tell you, I am not obsessed with him like some here.

So it's just the Democrats that bother you? Got it.

unsung

You must be new. 

Actually I know that you aren’t, so you should also know that I was banned for 30 days for speaking ill (perceived) of a Republican.  Sorry bud, just hate the authoritarians that abuse everything that they can.

Go Beavers

unsung said:

You must be new. 

Actually I know that you aren’t, so you should also know that I was banned for 30 days for speaking ill (perceived) of a Republican.  Sorry bud, just hate the authoritarians that abuse everything that they can.

Curious if you view trump as an authoritarian? 

unsung

I view most politicians as Authoritarians.  I would include him, but he lesser than some recent.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

josevolution said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I guess “conservative principles” include molesting 14 year old girls. Way to go Randy!

https://www.roymoore.org/Press-Releases/90/SENATOR-RAND-PAUL-ENDORSES-JUDGE-ROY-MOORE-FOR-UNITED-STATES-SENATE

That is fucking unreal I hope his neighbors beat the crap outta him again and knock that hair peice right off his head what an asshole he is Unsung must be jumping for joy ...

No, I only wonder what makes someone so obsessed with Rand Paul.  I also wonder why people are actually wishing harm upon others.  

As as far as my #1 fan Halifax whom keeps asking why Dr Paul has not answered the question, I would assume it is because he was attacked from behind by a lunatic and has other priorities than worrying what someone thinks on a music forum.

Did you interview and assess the perp to come to that conclusion? Me thinks Randy Paul has a ghost or two in his closet. And he endorses child molestation. So there is that. Does the neighbor have/had kids? Rand Paul is a hypocrite but its great to see he has a blind following.

unsung

Maybe he does, I’m sure someone like yourself will crack that case any day now.