Louis CK accused of sexual misconduct

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

I know this is late, but am I the only one who cares less about deviance and disgusting behaviour from artists than others like politicians?  Obviously, wrong is wrong, and victims are victims either way, but I don't feel as betrayed on a personal level.

I guess I just am able to separate the art and ent from the artist and entertainer better than I am able to separate the behaviour of an official from their official business.
Must be all the Oscar Wilde I read as an adolescent.

I absolutely agree. Entertaining never made any promises to the public. They never asked for our trust. And they never claimed to or should be expected to work for our better good as a society. Politicians are supposed to do all of those things, and that is what our expectations should be when we vote for them. And if those aren't our expectations when we vote for them, and if we don't then hold them to it, then we're fucking idiots. We need to uphold higher standards for our politicians. Obviously a LOT of people are forgetting that right now, which is terribly sad and infuriating.

Go Beavers

Jason P said:

I wonder what the responses in this thread would be if "Paul Ryan accused of sexual misconduct" and the accusations were the exact same as Louis are accused of?  

LOL?

He would have just increased his chances dramatically to become the next Republican president. 

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

I wonder what the responses in this thread would be if "Paul Ryan accused of sexual misconduct" and the accusations were the exact same as Louis are accused of?  

LOL?

He would have just increased his chances dramatically to become the next Republican president. 

Right??
Jason P, don't you think that Paul Ryan SHOULD be held to higher standards than a comedian is??

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

I wonder what the responses in this thread would be if "Paul Ryan accused of sexual misconduct" and the accusations were the exact same as Louis are accused of?  

LOL?

He would have just increased his chances dramatically to become the next Republican president. 

Right??
Jason P, don't you think that Paul Ryan SHOULD be held to higher standards than a comedian is??

No.
Duh.

He's a maker, not a taker.  

goldrush

Sarah Silverman's take on this

https://youtu.be/_WKFDqxiL80

rgambs

Aziz Ansari on the pile now.
The lines are getting blurred in the reaction to his situation.
Ultimately, I think that's what society needs, but it's going to be a bumpy ride in the meantime.

rgambs

http://www.katykatikate.com/2018/01/not-that-bad_15.html?m=1

This is what I mean when I say the lines are beginning to blur, she never differentiates bad sex from sexual assault, which is a crime, in a discussion specifically about sexual assault.

rgambs

And I realize that what I'm saying has long been a talking point for rape apologists and scumbags, but I think we may actually be coming to that point.

mickeyrat

been a couple good articles speaking to the ansari situation in The Atlantic. First one goes after "grace". After that though, 2 others speak to the issues raised in that particular scanario.

mickeyrat

One aspect I havent heard spoken to yet about Ansari is it isnt out of the realm of possibility that her speaking to him about how SHE experienced that night and given his reported response at the time , could have led him to change his behavior in the months since that night. And his stance on Times Up is entirely appropriate and unhypocritical.


I also wonder to what degree the wine played its role in the actions of both. being under the influence DOES NOT absolve anyone for any action but it does mitigate things somewhat and could partially explain the missed cues, misunderstood cues and lack of clear enough communication to the point said communication is clearly shown to be understood.

dignin

I like this opinion piece the best so far.

Let's be honest about Aziz Ansari

If we reflexively guillotine every imperfect ally like Aziz Ansari without finding out his side of the story, we will have no allies left. There is a whole spectrum between a bumbling, clueless lover and alleged predators like Weinstein and Trump. If your date is being creepy, let him know, get out of Dodge, and be sure you teach your sons better one day.


http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/opinions/lets-be-honest-about-aziz-ansari-brawley/index.html

Spiritual_Chaos

dignin said:

I like this opinion piece the best so far.

Let's be honest about Aziz Ansari

If we reflexively guillotine every imperfect ally like Aziz Ansari without finding out his side of the story, we will have no allies left. There is a whole spectrum between a bumbling, clueless lover and alleged predators like Weinstein and Trump. If your date is being creepy, let him know, get out of Dodge, and be sure you teach your sons better one day.


http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/opinions/lets-be-honest-about-aziz-ansari-brawley/index.html

Sounds like Chapelles "we need the imperfect men too" routine from his latest special. 

mickeyrat

those atlantic articles....

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/this-is-not-a-sex-panic/550547/

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/aziz-ansari-and-the-paradox-of-no/550556/

dignin

Spiritual_Chaos said:

dignin said:

I like this opinion piece the best so far.

Let's be honest about Aziz Ansari

If we reflexively guillotine every imperfect ally like Aziz Ansari without finding out his side of the story, we will have no allies left. There is a whole spectrum between a bumbling, clueless lover and alleged predators like Weinstein and Trump. If your date is being creepy, let him know, get out of Dodge, and be sure you teach your sons better one day.


http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/opinions/lets-be-honest-about-aziz-ansari-brawley/index.html

Sounds like Chapelles "we need the imperfect men too" routine from his latest special. 

Yeah, she mentions him in the article.

RunIntoTheRain

dignin said:

I like this opinion piece the best so far.

Let's be honest about Aziz Ansari

If we reflexively guillotine every imperfect ally like Aziz Ansari without finding out his side of the story, we will have no allies left. There is a whole spectrum between a bumbling, clueless lover and alleged predators like Weinstein and Trump. If your date is being creepy, let him know, get out of Dodge, and be sure you teach your sons better one day.


http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/opinions/lets-be-honest-about-aziz-ansari-brawley/index.html

That was very good.

HughFreakingDillon

noticed at least a few of Louis's specials are on Netflix Canada. Interesting. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

noticed at least a few of Louis's specials are on Netflix Canada. Interesting. 

Yeah, I watched them. They were funny.
I don't sense people are particularly anxious to boycott him for life. Yeah, he acted like a perv, but I doubt the majority consider it unforgivable behaviour (unlike that of some others), especially not since he completely acknowledged what he did and explained accurately why it was so wrong. I think he'll manage to gain his career back one of these days.

HughFreakingDillon

I love his comedy. his earlier specials were better, but I still roar with laughter. while what he did was wrong and pretty gross, I agree he'll recover at some point. 

I'm kind of surprised there's no "outrage" over Netflix putting his specials back on, though. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

I love his comedy. his earlier specials were better, but I still roar with laughter. while what he did was wrong and pretty gross, I agree he'll recover at some point. 

I'm kind of surprised there's no "outrage" over Netflix putting his specials back on, though. 

I feel like the general public went through a period of pure hysteria, and then finally realized what they probably should have realized before they became hysterical: you can't boycott every fucking thing connected to an objectionable event because we would all quickly run out of material, lol.

mickeyrat

HughFreakingDillon said:

I love his comedy. his earlier specials were better, but I still roar with laughter. while what he did was wrong and pretty gross, I agree he'll recover at some point. 

I'm kind of surprised there's no "outrage" over Netflix putting his specials back on, though. 

did they ever take them down? I remember they cancelled current in production work, but I seem to recall a mild blip related to that previous content remaining.