Christmas Single

bootlegger10

I don't really see this as paying to post on a message board, but really is just a privilege as a member of the fan club.  10c is probably just trying to control who can post versus trying to make a profit off of the use of the site.

FactoryMan93

Lost In Ohio said:

MedozK said:

How many of these are we behind now? I find it hilarious that I actually don’t know. 

One, being the 2017 single.

The smart move would be for them to do a double single of Eddie's set from earlier this month as the 2017/2018 single.

I don't agree with this. Ed is not Pearl Jam. I wasn't impressed with his duet with Beyonce. 

FR181798

FactoryMan93 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

MedozK said:

How many of these are we behind now? I find it hilarious that I actually don’t know. 

One, being the 2017 single.

The smart move would be for them to do a double single of Eddie's set from earlier this month as the 2017/2018 single.

I don't agree with this. Ed is not Pearl Jam. I wasn't impressed with his duet with Beyonce. 

I know they did one in the past but I don't think they can do double singles with so many dropping analog and switching to digital etc. And not being analog for both years, that wouldnt exactly be fair either. They probably don't think of themselves as 2 years behind as they delivered something in 2018 (albeit the 2016). It's not just the 7". They would need to deliver 2 copies of deep because they also go out with the single to save a huge amount on postage. Considering the amount of recordings they have, I would bet it's Deep magazine that slows the whole process. Probably most cost effective to ship them all out in one go although they ship the Ts separately. Definitely time for a rethink.

stratmad

After many years as an analogue member, it really is time to call time and be more savvy with my money.  I’ve finally accepted the fact, after realizing for a long time, that Pearl Jam just don’t use Pearl Jam as their primary outlet for new art or as the main vehicle for their other endeavors. Ed plays his solo shows, goes to baseball games and does charity work. The other guys are less visible generally and will pop up here and there to, say, promote a cause. All of it is great but whatever new art they’re doing it’s not as PJ and is otherwise selectively shared with the public, shall we say. They play a handful of shows a year together, mostly the old stuff to a hardcore fan base, Iike most legacy acts do and then disappear.  

As a long time fan I’d love some regular new music and active engagement with the fans as a typical working band generally does, but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that those days of a new album / tour cycle are long gone. 

HesCalledDyer

FR181798 said:

FactoryMan93 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

MedozK said:

How many of these are we behind now? I find it hilarious that I actually don’t know. 

One, being the 2017 single.

The smart move would be for them to do a double single of Eddie's set from earlier this month as the 2017/2018 single.

I don't agree with this. Ed is not Pearl Jam. I wasn't impressed with his duet with Beyonce. 

I know they did one in the past but I don't think they can do double singles with so many dropping analog and switching to digital etc. And not being analog for both years, that wouldnt exactly be fair either. They probably don't think of themselves as 2 years behind as they delivered something in 2018 (albeit the 2016). It's not just the 7". They would need to deliver 2 copies of deep because they also go out with the single to save a huge amount on postage. Considering the amount of recordings they have, I would bet it's Deep magazine that slows the whole process. Probably most cost effective to ship them all out in one go although they ship the Ts separately. Definitely time for a rethink.

It is certainly time to restructure the 10C membership and its benefits.  The "current" (aka two years behind) system just isn't working.  I don't know if it's Deep or the 7" causing the delays, I tend to think it's both.  Deep mag had a good run but it's kind of pointless in this day and age.  We get monthly newsletters and other various emails with information on the band, their causes, etc.  Some months are more informative than others, but that's the nature of the business.  Can the magazine, can the "annual" single, and make it so we actually receive the tangible benefits in a timely, consistent manner.

We see new merch on almost a monthly basis. And they have at least been stable with putting the Vaults out annually at the same time.  No reason why they can't work something out with the Vault and a soft good for membership benefits, throw in a sticker, keychain, or some other small item for good measure.  You could even keep the digital and analog levels - digital gets a Vault CD, analog gets the vinyl.  Obviously the cost would be adjusted but I know I would gladly pay a little more to 1) have better benefits and 2) have benefits that could actually be delivered.

bootlegger10

stratmad said:

After many years as an analogue member, it really is time to call time and be more savvy with my money.  I’ve finally accepted the fact, after realizing for a long time, that Pearl Jam just don’t use Pearl Jam as their primary outlet for new art or as the main vehicle for their other endeavors. Ed plays his solo shows, goes to baseball games and does charity work. The other guys are less visible generally and will pop up here and there to, say, promote a cause. All of it is great but whatever new art they’re doing it’s not as PJ and is otherwise selectively shared with the public, shall we say. They play a handful of shows a year together, mostly the old stuff to a hardcore fan base, Iike most legacy acts do and then disappear.  

As a long time fan I’d love some regular new music and active engagement with the fans as a typical working band generally does, but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that those days of a new album / tour cycle are long gone. 

You are correct.  I've read several articles over the last 10 years or so where they admire bands like the Rolling Stones.  Well, they are more like the Rolling Stones now than 2000 Pearl Jam.  When I think of the Rolling Stones I think of a band that doesn't release new music (or anything outstanding or that pushes new ground) and tours every 3-4 years for the cash and probably some enjoyment.  Pearl Jam spreads a bigger tour every 3 years over smaller tours each year.  They don't release new music and the music they do release is 50% great and 50% blah.  Pearl Jam shows are amazing and fun, but it is not new ground.  We are in the nostalgia phase or just entering. 

This is all fine and dandy. They've been a band for 28 years and we couldn't really expect much more than this. 

This is the main reason I'm liquidating my collection.  What I'm keeping is documenting trips and memories, but I don't look at a Pearl Jam shirt or poster like I did in 1995 when they were a current band that was passionate about making new music. 

RoleModelsinBlood31

bootlegger10 said:

stratmad said:

After many years as an analogue member, it really is time to call time and be more savvy with my money.  I’ve finally accepted the fact, after realizing for a long time, that Pearl Jam just don’t use Pearl Jam as their primary outlet for new art or as the main vehicle for their other endeavors. Ed plays his solo shows, goes to baseball games and does charity work. The other guys are less visible generally and will pop up here and there to, say, promote a cause. All of it is great but whatever new art they’re doing it’s not as PJ and is otherwise selectively shared with the public, shall we say. They play a handful of shows a year together, mostly the old stuff to a hardcore fan base, Iike most legacy acts do and then disappear.  

As a long time fan I’d love some regular new music and active engagement with the fans as a typical working band generally does, but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that those days of a new album / tour cycle are long gone. 

You are correct.  I've read several articles over the last 10 years or so where they admire bands like the Rolling Stones.  Well, they are more like the Rolling Stones now than 2000 Pearl Jam.  When I think of the Rolling Stones I think of a band that doesn't release new music (or anything outstanding or that pushes new ground) and tours every 3-4 years for the cash and probably some enjoyment.  Pearl Jam spreads a bigger tour every 3 years over smaller tours each year.  They don't release new music and the music they do release is 50% great and 50% blah.  Pearl Jam shows are amazing and fun, but it is not new ground.  We are in the nostalgia phase or just entering. 

This is all fine and dandy. They've been a band for 28 years and we couldn't really expect much more than this. 

This is the main reason I'm liquidating my collection.  What I'm keeping is documenting trips and memories, but I don't look at a Pearl Jam shirt or poster like I did in 1995 when they were a current band that was passionate about making new music. 

Well said

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

stratmad said:

After many years as an analogue member, it really is time to call time and be more savvy with my money.  I’ve finally accepted the fact, after realizing for a long time, that Pearl Jam just don’t use Pearl Jam as their primary outlet for new art or as the main vehicle for their other endeavors. Ed plays his solo shows, goes to baseball games and does charity work. The other guys are less visible generally and will pop up here and there to, say, promote a cause. All of it is great but whatever new art they’re doing it’s not as PJ and is otherwise selectively shared with the public, shall we say. They play a handful of shows a year together, mostly the old stuff to a hardcore fan base, Iike most legacy acts do and then disappear.  

As a long time fan I’d love some regular new music and active engagement with the fans as a typical working band generally does, but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that those days of a new album / tour cycle are long gone. 

You are correct.  I've read several articles over the last 10 years or so where they admire bands like the Rolling Stones.  Well, they are more like the Rolling Stones now than 2000 Pearl Jam.  When I think of the Rolling Stones I think of a band that doesn't release new music (or anything outstanding or that pushes new ground) and tours every 3-4 years for the cash and probably some enjoyment.  Pearl Jam spreads a bigger tour every 3 years over smaller tours each year.  They don't release new music and the music they do release is 50% great and 50% blah.  Pearl Jam shows are amazing and fun, but it is not new ground.  We are in the nostalgia phase or just entering. 

This is all fine and dandy. They've been a band for 28 years and we couldn't really expect much more than this. 

This is the main reason I'm liquidating my collection.  What I'm keeping is documenting trips and memories, but I don't look at a Pearl Jam shirt or poster like I did in 1995 when they were a current band that was passionate about making new music. 

Well said

Agreed. I'd even throw a 'very' (well said) in there.

jeffbr

bootlegger10 said:

stratmad said:

After many years as an analogue member, it really is time to call time and be more savvy with my money.  I’ve finally accepted the fact, after realizing for a long time, that Pearl Jam just don’t use Pearl Jam as their primary outlet for new art or as the main vehicle for their other endeavors. Ed plays his solo shows, goes to baseball games and does charity work. The other guys are less visible generally and will pop up here and there to, say, promote a cause. All of it is great but whatever new art they’re doing it’s not as PJ and is otherwise selectively shared with the public, shall we say. They play a handful of shows a year together, mostly the old stuff to a hardcore fan base, Iike most legacy acts do and then disappear.  

As a long time fan I’d love some regular new music and active engagement with the fans as a typical working band generally does, but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that those days of a new album / tour cycle are long gone. 

You are correct.  I've read several articles over the last 10 years or so where they admire bands like the Rolling Stones.  Well, they are more like the Rolling Stones now than 2000 Pearl Jam.  When I think of the Rolling Stones I think of a band that doesn't release new music (or anything outstanding or that pushes new ground) and tours every 3-4 years for the cash and probably some enjoyment.  Pearl Jam spreads a bigger tour every 3 years over smaller tours each year.  They don't release new music and the music they do release is 50% great and 50% blah.  Pearl Jam shows are amazing and fun, but it is not new ground.  We are in the nostalgia phase or just entering. 

This is all fine and dandy. They've been a band for 28 years and we couldn't really expect much more than this. 

This is the main reason I'm liquidating my collection.  What I'm keeping is documenting trips and memories, but I don't look at a Pearl Jam shirt or poster like I did in 1995 when they were a current band that was passionate about making new music. 

That's where I am as well. PJ's best years as a band are behind them. The band members aren't as focused on the band. Ed is chasing stardom outside of the band. Mike is working with a lot of musicians and doing a ton of projects. Jeff released a solo album recently and RNDM before that. Matt has been working on other things. I'm sure Stone is doing a lot of charity work. These guys are not focused on making new music for PJ or doing larger tours. They've cranked up the merch and do a few big shows to keep some cash flowing. But PJ is not their primary focus, and the 10c is even less of a focus I imagine. That doesn't excuse Tim Bierman's lack of focus and interest in 10c and its members, but I understand why the band probably doesn't pay much attention anymore. I'm looking forward to anything new the band puts out, but Pearl Jam has definitely achieved "legacy" status at this point and new music isn't a primary driver or focus for them.

Wish I hadn't renewed as analog recently. Digital for me next year.

cincybearcat

jeffbr said:

bootlegger10 said:

stratmad said:

After many years as an analogue member, it really is time to call time and be more savvy with my money.  I’ve finally accepted the fact, after realizing for a long time, that Pearl Jam just don’t use Pearl Jam as their primary outlet for new art or as the main vehicle for their other endeavors. Ed plays his solo shows, goes to baseball games and does charity work. The other guys are less visible generally and will pop up here and there to, say, promote a cause. All of it is great but whatever new art they’re doing it’s not as PJ and is otherwise selectively shared with the public, shall we say. They play a handful of shows a year together, mostly the old stuff to a hardcore fan base, Iike most legacy acts do and then disappear.  

As a long time fan I’d love some regular new music and active engagement with the fans as a typical working band generally does, but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that those days of a new album / tour cycle are long gone. 

You are correct.  I've read several articles over the last 10 years or so where they admire bands like the Rolling Stones.  Well, they are more like the Rolling Stones now than 2000 Pearl Jam.  When I think of the Rolling Stones I think of a band that doesn't release new music (or anything outstanding or that pushes new ground) and tours every 3-4 years for the cash and probably some enjoyment.  Pearl Jam spreads a bigger tour every 3 years over smaller tours each year.  They don't release new music and the music they do release is 50% great and 50% blah.  Pearl Jam shows are amazing and fun, but it is not new ground.  We are in the nostalgia phase or just entering. 

This is all fine and dandy. They've been a band for 28 years and we couldn't really expect much more than this. 

This is the main reason I'm liquidating my collection.  What I'm keeping is documenting trips and memories, but I don't look at a Pearl Jam shirt or poster like I did in 1995 when they were a current band that was passionate about making new music. 

That's where I am as well. PJ's best years as a band are behind them. The band members aren't as focused on the band. Ed is chasing stardom outside of the band. Mike is working with a lot of musicians and doing a ton of projects. Jeff released a solo album recently and RNDM before that. Matt has been working on other things. I'm sure Stone is doing a lot of charity work. These guys are not focused on making new music for PJ or doing larger tours. They've cranked up the merch and do a few big shows to keep some cash flowing. But PJ is not their primary focus, and the 10c is even less of a focus I imagine. That doesn't excuse Tim Bierman's lack of focus and interest in 10c and its members, but I understand why the band probably doesn't pay much attention anymore. I'm looking forward to anything new the band puts out, but Pearl Jam has definitely achieved "legacy" status at this point and new music isn't a primary driver or focus for them.

Wish I hadn't renewed as analog recently. Digital for me next year.

All this makes so much sense. My 1 hangup is i would like to get the singles that I’ve already paid for, and based on their operations I’m very concerned that they will be able to provide them to me if I’m not a current analog. I know, probably stupid. But if I do think about it next October I agree, unless something changes, digital for me. 

HollisBrown

Important Change to Ten Club Membership Benefits  Beginning January 1, 2019 the Ten Club Single will be discontinued.   We hope that you have enjoyed these special collectibles over the past 25+ years.   All members who purchased or renewed their membership in 2017 and/or 2018 will still receive the MP3 downloads of the Ten Club Single for those years. Members who purchased or renewed their membership at the Analog level in 2017 and/or 2018 will also receive the limited edition vinyl for those years once physical production is complete.   Pearl Jam and all of us at Ten Club appreciate the loyalty and dedication from our members. It has been amazing to watch the fan club evolve over the years into the tight-knit community it is today, and we’re excited to see what the future holds.   Thank you, Pearl Jam & Ten Club

rw160510

Well that's one way to fix it. I know it's been a faff for the last few years but I have always enjoyed the records turning up and it was the only reason I have an analog membership. Still looking forward to what turns up. Guess I'm going digital next year.

RS65573

This is certainly not what we were looking for...

jeffbr

Well, that's that. Will be interesting to see if they maintain 2 membership levels after this, or whether things go strictly digital (which is my guess). At least now I won't forget to downgrade come renewal time next October/November.

Great that they communicated their scaling back of benefits. Now hopefully they'll communicate the shipping dates for these overdue singles which kicked off this thread (and countless others). 

RS65573

Also, when you have fan club benefits like this single for 20+ years, you enhance and increase your fan bases want for merch...this helped them sell all the stuff, so I'm not sure if I now expect less merch, or more. If its more, this is galactically stupid from a marketing perspective. This does make me think maybe the end is near.

FactoryMan93

I am gonna say this loud and clear.... DID EVERYBODY RECEIVE THE MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS NEWSLETTER JUST NOW. Lol. Hopefully the complaining stops.

HesCalledDyer

Thank you for the communication, 10C!  I think this is the best option.

jeffbr

FactoryMan93 said:

I am gonna say this loud and clear.... DID EVERYBODY RECEIVE THE MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS NEWSLETTER JUST NOW. Lol. Hopefully the complaining stops.

Did they say when the 2017 single will ship? That's really what this was about. Lack of communication and inability to meet obligations. This latest newsletter was a step in the right direction for communication, but doesn't address the original reason for the thread. When in 2019 will we receive our 2017 single?

brianlux

The easy way out.  Lovely. 

So does that mean no analogue member ship?  If we are on auto-renewal should we change it or just pay extra for nothing?  And why was that not addressed in the newsletter? 

Flaky. 

brianlux

FactoryMan93 said:

I am gonna say this loud and clear.... DID EVERYBODY RECEIVE THE MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS NEWSLETTER JUST NOW. Lol. Hopefully the complaining stops.

See above and please explain.