Taking a knee now in Europe

lastexitlondon

I've just seen that a german team in the top division all knelt before the game in a show of togetherness and awareness. Just thought it was pretty cool

pjhawks

shouldn't you have posted this in the idiot thread?

lastexitlondon

Whenever i post anywhere people say errr do you think you should put this in another thread. So thought fuck it put it in its own.thanks for you wise input. Tip of the cap sir

my2hands

pjhawks said:

shouldn't you have posted this in the idiot thread?

Why would it go there?

vaggar99

this could be the start of something beautiful

F Me In The Brain

Did it gave anything to do with the original message it was it anti govt in some way?

I wondered if other sports might start to do this to try and make their own statements.

rgambs

F Me In The Brain said:

Did it gave anything to do with the original message it was it anti govt in some way?

I wondered if other sports might start to do this to try and make their own statements.

Their statement was that they were kneeling in solidarity against racial injustice.

lastexitlondon

I think its great to see and the prick that thought this belongs elsewhere IS the problem. Ignorant dotard hahah

lastexitlondon

I will find the news link.
Here.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/hertha-berlin-take-a-knee-protests-nfl-donald-trump-bundesliga-schalke-a8000706.html?amp

lastexitlondon

For a better Berlin and world in general.

Bentleyspop

pjhawks said:

shouldn't you have posted this in the idiot thread?

This thread no
Your post yes

brianlux

I think it's great that people in other countries are speaking out (or kneeling down) against racism.  I'm surprised some have a problem witht his thread.  Sorry to hear that. 

pjhawks

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

vaggar99

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

i can't remember having to stand for the national anthem in my office.  but, my memory isn't so good anymore.  

pjhawks

vaggar99 said:

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

i can't remember having to stand for the national anthem in my office.  but, my memory isn't so good anymore.  

no but the bosses makes the rules. that's one of the rules of their office. 

rgambs

pjhawks said:

vaggar99 said:

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

i can't remember having to stand for the national anthem in my office.  but, my memory isn't so good anymore.  

no but the bosses makes the rules. that's one of the rules of their office. 

There's no rule against kneeling during the anthem.

oftenreading

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

If I explained why I was doing it, my workplace would be pretty supportive. In fact, probably lots of people would join me, because I generally work with good people who are against institutional racism. 

Weird comparison, though. 

lastexitlondon

^^^^ well said and just to clarify there was no anthem involved in Germany it was just a show of togetherness which is very welcome anywhere and everywhere in my eyes. It says a lot about some people that they have a problem with it.  Here everyone wears a poppy in memory of all the fallen soldiers and innocent victims of war. And believe it or not  at work . In sport. Everywhere. So thats being an idiot??? Please clarify how ?

lastexitlondon

Its like saying hide your true beliefs and who you are and what you stand for because you have a job and to to work.

RYME

No no no no no, Does anyone remember history?
It was the Brits initially who brought Africans to North America on those hideous slave ships in the first place.  Not American idealism. So kneeling during America's anthem in England and then standing for Britain's Anthem is sheer ignorance.  Columbus was trying to escape oppression but oppression kind of followed him here from back over there.

rgambs

RYME said:

No no no no no, Does anyone remember history?
It was the Brits initially who brought Africans to North America on those hideous slave ships in the first place.  Not American idealism. So kneeling during America's anthem in England and then standing for Britain's Anthem is sheer ignorance.  Columbus was trying to escape oppression but oppression kind of followed him here from back over there.

Wow dude, you accusing them of ignorance??
You ought to stick to the Bible, your historical knowledge is alllllll wrong.
First of all, it was a German team that kneeled.
Second, it was the Portuguese who started the African slave trade and the Dutch who first brought African slaves to the Americas.
Third, it was Columbus who recommended bringing African slaves as the local populations weren't working out as efficient slaves due to the decimation of the local population by disease and torturous mistreatment under Columbus's supervision.
Fourth, Columbus brought an African personal slave with him, and reveled in the easy enslavement of the locals, so to say he was fleeing oppression is just flat wrong, and a dangerously whitewashed perspective.

oftenreading

RYME said:

No no no no no, Does anyone remember history?
It was the Brits initially who brought Africans to North America on those hideous slave ships in the first place.  Not American idealism. So kneeling during America's anthem in England and then standing for Britain's Anthem is sheer ignorance.  Columbus was trying to escape oppression but oppression kind of followed him here from back over there.

I can only assume this post is sarcasm.

RYME

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

No no no no no, Does anyone remember history?
It was the Brits initially who brought Africans to North America on those hideous slave ships in the first place.  Not American idealism. So kneeling during America's anthem in England and then standing for Britain's Anthem is sheer ignorance.  Columbus was trying to escape oppression but oppression kind of followed him here from back over there.

I can only assume this post is sarcasm.

Thank you yes sarcasm. Didn't mean to start a fire storm.

brianlux

I think it's great that people in other countries are speaking out (or kneeling down) against racism.  I'm surprised some have a problem witht his thread.  Sorry to hear that. 

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

No problem!

C:  "Umm, Brian, what are you doing?"
Brian:  "Well, dear, I'm taking a knee."
C:  "Oh!  OK."

brianlux

RYME said:

No no no no no, Does anyone remember history?
It was the Brits initially who brought Africans to North America on those hideous slave ships in the first place.  Not American idealism. So kneeling during America's anthem in England and then standing for Britain's Anthem is sheer ignorance.  Columbus was trying to escape oppression but oppression kind of followed him here from back over there.

COLUMBUS??

Trader sailed a jeweled crown
Humanity rowed the way
Exploring to command more land
Scheming how to rule the waves.
Trader spied a virgin plain
And named it for velvet robes
Wrote home declaring,
"There's a place
Where totally folks are free
(Happily completely)
Nourishment fills the prairies and the hillsides
And animals stalk the mountains and the seaside
And fish abound the lakes and birds the skies
Signed sincerely."

Trader found the jeweled land
Was occupied before he came
By humans of a second look
Who couldn't even write their names (shit!)
Trader said they're not as good
As folks who wear velvet robes
Wrote home again and asked, "Please help
Their breasts I see; they're not like me
Banish them from our prairies and our hillsides
Clear them from our mountains and our seaside
I want them off our lakes so please reply
Signed sincerely.

Trader he got the crown okay
Cleared humanity from his way
He civilized all he saw
Making changes every single day say
Shops sprang over the prairies and the hillsides
Then roads cut through the mountains to the seaside
The other kind fled to hide, by and by,
And so sincerely
Cried."

-Carl Wilson

rgambs

RYME said:

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

No no no no no, Does anyone remember history?
It was the Brits initially who brought Africans to North America on those hideous slave ships in the first place.  Not American idealism. So kneeling during America's anthem in England and then standing for Britain's Anthem is sheer ignorance.  Columbus was trying to escape oppression but oppression kind of followed him here from back over there.

I can only assume this post is sarcasm.

Thank you yes sarcasm. Didn't mean to start a fire storm.

That went right over my head lol
Sorry, my bad.

HesCalledDyer

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

Funny, I don’t recall reading that disclaimer in the text of the First Amendment.

Apparently you’ve never heard of unions, either.

Halifax2TheMax

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

Can I pray five times a day in the work place?

vaggar99

Halifax2TheMax said:

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

Can I pray five times a day in the work place?

you can, but unless you are praying to Jesus, you are still going to hell

tbergs

pjhawks said:

i'd like all you guys to go into work tomorrow and in the middle of a meeting take a knee. let's see how that goes over in your work place.  Protests don't belong in the work place.

Sorry, terrible comparison. More like if you kneeled in the parking lot or when you got in your office first thing (If the anthem is played I guess because what other thing would compare at your job). Who gives a shit? An employee of mine (union worker mind you) thought they shouldn't be allowed to kneel because they're on the job and went off about what if he kneeled. I told him sure, go ahead and kneel the next time you start your shift. We don't play the anthem, but find an equivalent time and go for it if that's what you believe in. 

lastexitlondon

Fyi all the countries that make up Britain have their own anthem. Anytime anyone calls sarcasm after they realise they are wrong always stinks.Berlin is a very multi cultural city
 So many nationalities live there, so i totally get the logic. Many Turkish,African,European call it home.Great idea to bring the people together rather than separate them . Quite what'British' has to do with a german football team has to do with anything is beyond me!